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"The hundreds of millions who die during the great tribulation will be because of the 7 trumpet plagues, and the 7 vials of God's wrath plagues poured out."
The 6th seal great tribulation
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You are not reading what I wrote.
I wrote....
"The hundreds of millions who die during the great tribulation will be because of the 7 trumpet plagues, and the 7 vials of God's wrath plagues poured out."
In Daniel 11:4 there is established kingdoms of the north, the south, the east, and the west.
From Daniel 11:5-31, the conflicts in those verses are between a series of kings from the north versus a series of kings from the south in ancient times. That last of which was Antiochus IV in Daniel 11:31.
Daniel 11:32-35 are transition verses, from ancient times 2000 years to the time of the end - end times.
Daniel 11:36-45 refers to the end times.
Daniel 11:40-44 speaks to conflicts between the king of the west versus the king of the south, the king of the north, the kings of the east.
In Revelation 16:12, the sixth angel having a vial of God's wrath is poured out - drying up the Euphrates - making it easier for the kings of the east to march westward to attack the beast king, king of the west. The drying up of the Euphrates also will release the four evil angels bound in it in Revelation 9:14, which partake in the killing of a third part of mankind - as the 200,000,000 size armies of the kings of east march westward.
I show all those things on my graphic, called Prelude to Armageddon. It is a prelude because at the height of the battles, suddenly the Sign of the Son of Man in heaven will appear - Jesus sickle in hand, His intent obvious - to execute judgment on the wicked men of the earth who had martyred the great tribulation saints. The sixth seal event is Jesus appearing, which will send terror into all the wicked on the earth.
So, in reaction, the fighting will stop, and the kings of the earth will unite under the beast-king's leadership and prepare to make war on Jesus. They will gather their armies at Armageddon for the purpose of preparing to make war on Jesus and His armies of heaven.
In Daniel 11:45, the beast-king will then meet his end on the temple mount, located between the seas, as it says in that verse.
Below are my two graphics. First graphic (Daniel 11:40-44) of the prelude to Armageddon. Second graphic (Daniel 11:45) of Between the seas. You can click on either graphic to get a better view.
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The setting up of the AoD does indeed start the great tribulation.
Jesus referenced Daniel the prophet regarding the AoD. The end times AoD is in Daniel 12:11-12, to last 1335 days until Jesus returns to end it.
Daniel 11:31 is not the second beast (the false prophet) of Revelation 13. Daniel 11:31 is an ancient event which the troops of Antiochus IV placed a statue image of Zeus in the temple - called the abomination that makes desolate in the text. That act prefigured what the end time AoD will be - a statue image placed in a holy place.
The second beast of Revelation 13 will be the false prophet - a false religious figure who will promote the little horn beast-king.
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So you don't believe anyone will die when the king of the norths armed forces place the abomination that causes Jerusalem desolation in Jerusalem?
You should not have learned from the false prophet who taught Daniel 11 is ancient history.
Daniel 11:31 is about the coming of the second beast which makes an image of the first beast and gives the people of Israel the mark of the beast.
The following persecution of the saints in Daniel 11:33-35 is because they testify of Jesus and warn the people of Israel to not worship the beast ,it's image or recieve it's mark.They are killed for their testimony.
Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
The conflicts in Daniel 11 have nothing to do with ancient times.They are events which take place in the middle east concerning the United States armed forces.Events such as the Berut bombings,the first and second Gulf wars.
You shouldn't believe every interpretation non chosen Jews make.They are not a good source for knowledge.
end times: It will be the false prophet in Revelation 13 who will have the statue image of the beast-king made and placed on the temple mount.
historic, ancient times: Daniel 11:31 was fulfilled when Antiochus IV's troops placed a statue image of Zeus in the temple.
Daniel 11:2-4 is talking about ancient Medes and Persian kings. And then Alexander the great, king of Greece, who's kingdom will be divided into four lesser kingdoms.
Out of the four lesser kingdoms will come the series of kings of the north, and the series of kings of the south. The last of that series of ancient kings was Antiochus IV.
You are so confused.
Daniel and Jesus only spoke of one abomination of desolation to be set in Jerusalem.
Not two,three four or how ever many more you want to claim will be set up in Jerusalem.
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Well,if antiochus is the last who comes to his end at the time of the great tribulation in Daniel 11:45-12:1,then he sure is an old old man.
Are you sure antiochus is the last because that would mean he is now more than 2188 years old.
You can't be serious.
I understand there are no prophets or apostles who ever taught that the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel was ever placed in Jerusalem.
Let it be known that God has not sent anyone to teach Daniels prophecy concerning the AOD has already been for filled.
Let it be known that God has not sent anyone to teach Daniels prophecy concerning the AOD has already been for filled.
Daniel 11:2-31 are ancient kings of ancient times.
Daniel 11:36-Daniel 12:12 are time of the end, end times kings.
The end times AoD of Daniel 12:11-12 has not yet been fulfilled.
The AoD of Daniel 11:31 by Antiochus IV's troops acting on his behalf, was fulfilled, in 167 bc. You can do an internet search on Antiochus IV and read about his desecrating the temple. It is a matter of history.
Ok ,you skipped a few verses there.
You claim Daniel 11:31 is antiochus
Who is the king in Daniel 11:32?
Daniel 11:32
With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Antiochus IV is the king who by bribery selected who the high priest of the Jewish religious hierarchy would be. The Maccabeans opposed the move and rebelled against Antiochus IV.
Maccabean Revolt - Wikipedia
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Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
The "exploits" is referring to the Maccabean Revolt.
Exactly! It's obvious to a lot of us that the vile person in verse 21 is the very same person that comes to his end in verse 45. And it's also obvious to a lot of us that the vile person in verse 21 is meaning the little horn in Daniel 8. Except @Douggg insists the little horn is the future AC but the vile person in ch 11 is A4E. Pretty much everyone else, regardless who they take both to mean are at least remaining consistent about it. Unlike @Douggg who thinks it means one person in ch 8 then an entirely different person in ch 11. Pretty much everyone else thinks the little horn in Daniel 8 and the vile person in ch 11, these are the same person.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Look at the text here. Obviously, verse 21 is fulfilled before verse 29 is. How then is it reasonable that great tribulation starts as of verse 29 when verse 21 already places it in the past?
How is it reasonable that the tribulation of those days is not meaning verse 21, great tribulation?
There is no great tribulation as of and after verse 29. Great tribulation involves verse 21 and verse 29 plainly tells us that great tribulation is now in the past and not future still.
How does it make sense, that after great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, great tribulation follows that, as in 2 great tribulations, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be?
What part of--no, nor ever shall be--are you not grasping? It means it can't be equalled nor surpassed, as in an even greater tribulation. Therefore, there is no great tribulation followed by yet another great tribulation. IOW, Matthew 24:21 and Daniel 12:1 are involving this same great tribulation, a global tribulation.
The time of the end king begins in Daniel 11:36.
Daniel 11:35 transitions from the early days of the gospel 2000 years to the time of the end (time of the end is first stated in the text of Daniel 11 in verse 35). Everything in Daniel 11 before then is ancient history.
The little horn person of Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 becomes the Antichrist in stage 3 of eventually becoming the beast-king of Revelation 13.
Verse 29 does not say "after the great tribulation of those days" .
Verse 29 is indicating when the sixth seal event of Revelation 6:12-17 will take place, which is about the appearance of the Son of man in heaven in Matthew 24:30a.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days [most of the great tribulation is over, but not all] shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [like it says in Revelation 6:12-14]
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven [like is indicated in Revelation 6:15-17] : and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The appearance of the Son of man in heaven, puts fear into the wicked of the world and causes them to gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His armies.
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