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Try it.
Would make a nice change from your unpleasant one liners. Actually, I don't know what your position is, other than it conflicts with mine.
Your statement here (underlined) indicates you haven't really read my post (#17) let alone understood it.
 

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I have long come to the realization that trying to help others see the truths of the Prophetic Word, is futile. Especially the people who post on end time Prophecy Forums.
It is because they have already decided what they want God to do for them and reject any other scenario that does not suit their beliefs.

Although I am sure the Lord has tasked me to promote the Prophetic Word, God actually does not desire that those truths become general knowledge. As Daniel 12:10 says: Only a few wise leaders will understand.

My best advice to all who have the expectation of dramatic events in the near future, is to do what Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, and Acts 2:21 tell us to do, when the Lord does arise and strikes the world. Zephaniah 3:8
 

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“14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? 15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; 16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. 17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off. ”
Isaiah 33:14-17 KJV
 

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Ohhh Keraz, Your use of the term 'proper biblical support' is a straw man. Why?, because anyone who cobbles scriptures in any context will and does claim 'proper biblical support'. They, as do you, take things out of their intended context, then proudly parade their structure and call it biblical. Isn't that the same angle the Jews used to condemn Jesus? They used 'biblical support'. John 19:7

My guess is that even if I posted scripture to support my position you would not accept it, so where does that leave 'proper biblical support'?

The questions you need to ask me, you do not ask....and I wonder, do you even know what to ask? I cannot ask them for you if you aren't curious or you are so enamoured with your own view/ interpretation, you are just not open to hear another.
As I suspect of many here intent on promoting their perspectives.
 

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I have long come to the realization that trying to help others see the truths of the Prophetic Word, is futile. Especially the people who post on end time Prophecy Forums.
It is because they have already decided what they want God to do for them and reject any other scenario that does not suit their beliefs.

Although I am sure the Lord has tasked me to promote the Prophetic Word, God actually does not desire that those truths become general knowledge. As Daniel 12:10 says: Only a few wise leaders will understand.

My best advice to all who have the expectation of dramatic events in the near future, is to do what Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, and Acts 2:21 tell us to do, when the Lord does arise and strikes the world. Zephaniah 3:8
Just as you are sure of the underlined above, so others are also sure. What do you say to that?
I would ask, do you know why you are sure?

.....and this is what Daniel 12:10 says 'Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.'
You have misquoted. (see the highlighted above) It actually says the opposite to what you quoted.

So, using this as a precedent of misunderstanding, why would not misunderstanding also apply to the rest of your interpretation?

You assume much Keraz, even that God would not desire information for the masses. The liberties you take in making statements like this are astounding.
 

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Just as you are sure of the underlined above, so others are also sure. What do you say to that?
I would ask, do you know why you are sure?
We have to wait and see on this. But already there are plenty of failed predictions from others.
I remain sure of the scenario I promote as it is logical, coherent and scripturally supported.
..and this is what Daniel 12:10 says 'Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.'
You have misquoted. (see the highlighted above) It actually says the opposite to what you quoted.

So, using this as a precedent of misunderstanding, why would not misunderstanding also apply to the rest of your interpretation?
Daniel 12:10 Many will purify themselves and be refined, making themselves shining white. But the wicked will continue in wickedness and none of them shall understand; only the wise leaders will understand. Revised English Bible, Oxford Press 1989. My trusted and true Bible translation. As used by the Wickliffe Translators.

No misquote, I did add 'few', because 'leaders' can only be a small number.
You assume much Keraz, even that God would not desire information for the masses.
That the masses are deceived and confused, is quite apparent.
God does want what will happen to come as a surprise, shocking everyone. it will be our trial by fire, as 1 Peter 4:12 says.
 

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We have to wait and see on this. But already there are plenty of failed predictions from others.
I remain sure of the scenario I promote as it is logical, coherent and scripturally supported.

Daniel 12:10 Many will purify themselves and be refined, making themselves shining white. But the wicked will continue in wickedness and none of them shall understand; only the wise leaders will understand. Revised English Bible, Oxford Press 1989. My trusted and true Bible translation. As used by the Wickliffe Translators.

No misquote, I did add 'few', because 'leaders' can only be a small number.

That the masses are deceived and confused, is quite apparent.
God does want what will happen to come as a surprise, shocking everyone. it will be our trial by fire, as 1 Peter 4:12 says.
We could go on disputing Keraz but I don't see any point.
Why don't I see any point? Firstly because the fulcrum or the core from which your theories radiate are not congruent with Jesus or the character of God, and secondly, you are intent on justifying your view with no consideration of how Pauls statement of 'For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us' 2 Corinthians 1:20 ie, how this fits the prophetic narrative.
....and thirdly, to top it all off, you have no idea what it is I'm referencing and neither do you make specific enquiry to find out.
 

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We could go on disputing Keraz but I don't see any point.
I will continue to post what the Prophets tell us about what God has planned for our future. Believe them or not.
Why don't I see any point? Firstly because the fulcrum or the core from which your theories radiate are not congruent with Jesus or the character of God, and secondly, you are intent on justifying your view with no consideration of how Pauls statement of 'For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us' 2 Corinthians 1:20 ie, how this fits the prophetic narrative.
I view this approach as correct in the long term, but not helpful to us to understand forthcoming events.
, to top it all off, you have no idea what it is I'm referencing and neither do you make specific enquiry to find out.
I'm sorry that your hints and veiled references have gone unnoticed by me. Please state clearly your special knowledge.
 

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I view this approach as correct in the long term, but not helpful to us to understand forthcoming events.
To reiterate....
For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us' 2 Corinthians 1:20
Why do you not see it helpful to understand forthcoming events?
Perhaps I could ask, how do you see/ understand the above 2 Corinthians 1:20?
 

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To reiterate....
For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us' 2 Corinthians 1:20
Why do you not see it helpful to understand forthcoming events?
Perhaps I could ask, how do you see/ understand the above 2 Corinthians 1:20?
Jesus is the be all and the end all.

In no way does that mean we can ignore the almost 1/3 of the Bible, that describes, in great detail, all the Prophesied things to happen.
A small number of them have happened as Written, which reinforces the accuracy of all yet to happen.

Jesus said: you know when the sky is red at sunset, the next day will be fine. Likewise you should know the times of My coming.
Do you?
 

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Isaiah 46:8-10 Remember this and abandon hope, consider it well you rebels: Remember all that happened long ago – for I am God and there is none other. From the beginning I reveal the end, from ancient times what is yet to be. I say: My purpose stands, I shall accomplish all that I plan.

Isaiah 46:12-13 Listen to Me, you stubborn of heart, for whom victory is far off; I will bring My victory near and My deliverance will not be delayed. In Zion, I will grant deliverance for Israel, My glory.

Isaiah 47:1-5 Come down and sit in the dust, you virgin daughter of Babylon. Never again will you be called beautiful, your shame will be exposed. I shall take vengeance and show clemency to none, says the Holy One of Israel, the Redeemer of His people. Daughter of the ungodly, go into darkness and sit in silence for never again will you be able to lord it over the nations.

Isaiah 47:11-15 Persist in your idol worship and all the sorceries that you have relied upon, maybe they will yet help you? But disaster will come to you, suddenly and unforeseen and you will be unable to conjure it away. So much for your wise people, those who foretell prosperity and safety, they will become as stubble when the fire burns them up. It will not be like a fire to get warm by, but a devastating flame that they cannot escape from. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

from ancient times, I reveal what is to be’, We can know God’s Plans from the prophets. Amos 3:7, Revelation 1:1, Isaiah 45:19 Also what happened to Israel in the past, symbolizes what will happen in the future. 1 Corinthians 10:11

In Zion, Israel will receive deliverance’, The Lord’s people, those who love Him and follow His laws, will live in the holy Land. Psalm 15:1-5, Isaiah 62:1-5 But first the Land must be cleared and cleansed, as the unrighteous cannot remain there. Ezekiel 20:46-48, Jer. 31:1-6

daughter of Babylon – lord over the nations’, In these end times, this may refer to the USA, the worlds richest and most powerful nation. Isaiah 18:1-7, Jeremiah 50:22-25, Jeremiah 51:6-10, Zechariah 2:6-7

I shall take vengeance and show clemency to none’, The whole world will be judged and those who refuse to acknowledge the Lord will be punished. Hebrews 10:26-27, Deuteronomy 32:39-42, 1 Peter 4:17

‘a sudden and unforeseen disaster of a devastating fire’, A coronal mass ejection of unprecedented magnitude will strike the earth, literally fulfilling all the many prophecies about the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Jeremiah 4:23-26

Acts 13:41 Look you scoffers, I am doing a deed in your day, a deed that you will not believe when you are told of it. Habakkuk 1:5, 2 Peter 3:3-7