Theosis vs Christlikeness

[face2face]

What do you not get about "the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.".........pre-figured in the scapegoat.........they were not His sins/iniquities because Jesus Himself didn't have any sins/iniquities of His own.......as scripture clearly states.

You are correct however you miss the mark on how God had Victory over sin in the body of Christ

Did you look up Romans 6:23?

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[Wrangler]

Because they been put to sleep by men .
by false love , false doctrines

Projecting. The trinity is not in Scripture and is a 4th century manmade doctrine.

 

[face2face]

More unbelief!!!

If you could speak to Heb 2:14-end in your reply you would at least gain some credibility in this discussion but if you don't know what the Apostle is teaching this type of reply is your only riposte.
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[David in NJ]

Projecting. The trinity is not in Scripture and is a 4th century manmade doctrine.

Now think Wrangler and use true logic.

The FATHER is Elohim
The WORD that was Elohim became flesh = JESUS
The HOLY SPIRIT is Elohim

If you remove any One, no one could be SAVED = no one!!!

Remove the FATHER and you have no SON and no Savior
Remove the WORD and you have no SON and no Savior
Remove the HOLY SPIRIT and you have no SON and no Savior

TRUE or FALSE ???

 

[face2face]

The first man Adam was of the earth, earthy..........the second Adam became a quickening spirit. Jesus was not a "mere" man because He came from above, unlike the first Adam. And it is necessary to believe that He came from above, sent by the Father. God is not telling anyone to put their faith and trust in a mere man because the bible says cursed is everyone who trusts in man.

Jhn 16:27-28

For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father


But no-one can believe/receive this without the Holy Spirit....ye must be born again. To reject His deity is to reject Him, who He was and is.

Was the manna created in Heaven, directly from God's throne, or was it produced locally for the Israelites in the wilderness?

The way Christ came into existence follows a similar principle. Was Christ a divine being who descended from Heaven into Mary's womb, or was the Logos, the Word, who created Christ within that womb?

I think you know the correct answer!

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[amigo de christo]

Projecting. The trinity is not in Scripture and is a 4th century manmade doctrine.

wrangler get some phone lines set up in your house for donations .
I was speaking about that wicked interfaith anti christ message of that pope .
but there is another option . You could see it for the deadly danger it is and start exposing it as well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now think Wrangler and use true logic.

The FATHER is Elohim
The WORD that was Elohim became flesh = JESUS
The HOLY SPIRIT is Elohim

If you remove any One, no one could be SAVED = no one!!!

Remove the FATHER and you have no SON and no Savior
Remove the WORD/Jesus and you have no SON and no Savior
Remove the HOLY SPIRIT and you have no SON and no Savior

TRUE or FALSE ???

It would be like asking GOD to remove himself . cant be done . HE IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT
and its about high time folks learned that my friend .
Man cannot save himself , the created was not sent to save the created . THE CREATOR , HIS WORD BECAME FLESH
so as HE could save MAN . with man this is impossible , BUT NOT WITH GOD . Now raise them hands up high
my friend , TO HE WE OWE ALL , HE IS THE ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last . To the trenches
my friend . To the trenches .

 

[David in NJ]

It would be like asking GOD to remove himself . cant be done . HE IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT
and its about high time folks learned that my friend .
Man cannot save himself , the created was not sent to save the created . THE CREATOR , HIS WORD BECAME FLESH
so as HE could save MAN . with man this is impossible , BUT NOT WITH GOD . Now raise them hands up high
my friend , TO HE WE OWE ALL , HE IS THE ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last . To the trenches
my friend . To the trenches .

My heart breaks for @Wrangler @face2face and @Aunty Jane

Without the Lord Jesus Christ they cannot know YHWH, they cannot enter thru the Door into Salvation.

 

[Wrangler]

wrangler get some phone lines set up in your house for donations .
I was speaking about that wicked interfaith anti christ message of that pope .

You are very generous with my money.

 

[amigo de christo]

My heart breaks for @Wrangler @face2face and @Aunty Jane

Without the Lord Jesus Christ they cannot know YHWH, they cannot enter thru the Door into Salvation.

In these last hours that which is of anti christ shall merge all the decieved .
His glue is interfaith by which he shall merge them all as one man and one mind .
And david , THEY WONT HAVE ANY LOVE FOR THE true saints .
that which is of anti christ , the very mystery of inquity that paul and john warned about
HAS SWOLLEN MASSIVE NOW my friend . There be many anti christs EVEN WITHIN CHRISTENDOM
and many more are headed to the lie that will do all to silence the true gospel and those who speak it .
Now that there is a fact and its about to get much worse and very fast too .
But feel free to ask me why i have no fear of what is or what shall come unto the saints who did not conform .
CAUSE JESUS IS WITH US and SHALL BE WITH US and OUR END IS REAL GOOD THANKS BE TO HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are very generous with my money.

Not i my friend . you must be , cause you said every time i speak against satans interfaith which is of anti christ
YOU will donate to st judes . I DIDNT say that . you did my friend . Prepare to go broke my friend
cause what i write next i write not out of hate against you or any , but rather cause its true .
Prepare to go broke cause its gonna be one ice cold day in the lake of fire , LONG before i bend the knee to that which is of anti christ
and stop warning against it .
Now i tried to tell ya and others , THIS LAMB is a stickler to the one true gospel of GOD
not the false gospel of men . Sure hope you flee it friend . TRULY i do . cause i dont desire no evil upon ya
not one bad thing . BUT FRIEND you gonna roast alive in the lake of fire if you support that which is of anti christ .
FLEE INTERFAITH and NEVAH LOOK back . that my friend is A LOVE CALL from me TO YOU .

 

[David in NJ]

You are very generous with my money.

But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go?
You have the words of eternal life.
Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

 

[amigo de christo]

But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go?
You have the words of eternal life.
Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

 

[amigo de christo]

"but ye shall die like men"

yep i made mention of that there same thing my friend . WE are gonna HONOR GOD , HONOR CHRIST .
now hands up cause its time to praise and to thank the glorious LORD .

 

[Aunty Jane]

My heart breaks for @Wrangler @face2face and @Aunty Jane

Without the Lord Jesus Christ they cannot know YHWH, they cannot enter thru the Door into Salvation.

Save your heartbreak for yourself and those whom you believe are condemned…..the tables may well turn on you and perhaps you will find yourself barred from the door of salvation…..

You always accuse us of “not having Christ”, when we do indeed have him as our savior and redeemer. No one denies his role in our salvation….but he does not have to be God to do that…in fact he cannot be God and do that. He is the divine son of God, but divinity is not necessarily deity.
Look up “theos” in a Greek Interlinear….you keep avoiding this like the plague for obvious reasons.

God is immortal and cannot die…..Jesus as his created son was not immortal and could volunteer to step in to the role of redeemer……but what was the price of redemption? A sinless life had to be offered for the sinless life that Adam lost for his children, because that is what atonement is…..”at-one-ment”…”one for one”….Jesus had to become the exact equivalent of Adam….100% mortal human….he could not be a God/man because that would not be the redemption price….it would be a ridiculous overpayment…..like having 500 trillion cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito.
God cannot become one of his own creation…..and the ransom demanded did not require it.

 

[ProDeo]

For my JW friends - step by step

Ps 2:7 I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.

Prophecy and announcement of Jesus to come.

[Q] - When did the prophecy became true?
[A] - Bethlehem. Jesus THEN became the Son of God and the Son of men.

[Q] - Did Jesus already existed before He was born as a human in Bethlehem?
[A] - Yes, see John 17:5

So, in contrast, unlike us, born by the natural will of a man and a woman, then when it's about the birth of Jesus is a total different story -
. Born by the will of God.
. Born by the supernatural will of the Holy Spirit (the virgin became pregnant).
. Someone who preexisted with the Father (before the world was created) incarnated in a human body and became Jesus, the Son of God and the Son of men.

Conclusion - you can not say Jesus was merely man, He was a lot more.

So far so good?

End of part one.

 

[Aunty Jane]

For my JW friends - step by step

This is a joke….right?

Ps 2:7 I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.

LOL…Read the entire psalm and see for yourself what it’s about….

“Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!”
He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them. Then He will speak to them in His anger
And terrify them in His fury, saying, “But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.” “I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,
You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”
Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
Take warning, O judges of the earth.” (NASB)
What does this mean in context? Do you see that God is speaking about installing his King….saying “you are my son”…..can God be his own son? Does God need to give himself nations as his inheritance?
You pluck verses out of context and wonder why people who study the Scriptures disagree with your cherry picked verses.

Prophecy and announcement of Jesus to come.

[Q] - When did the prophecy became true?
[A] - Bethlehem. Jesus THEN became the Son of God and the Son of men.

Did Jesus become King at his birth?
What did Daniel see in vision?
Daniel 7:13-14….Jesus’ coronation as King of God’s Kingdom….

“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.” (NASB)
This is not a baby….

[Q] - Did Jesus already existed before He was born as a human in Bethlehem?
[A] - Yes, see John 17:5

“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

Did Jesus have a pre-human existence? …yes he did…..
Col 1:15…
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.”

Firstborn of all creation, meaning he is the first of God’s creations….
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this“. (Rev 3:14)

So, in contrast, unlike us, born by the natural will of a man and a woman, then when it's about the birth of Jesus is a total different story -
. Born by the will of God.
. Born by the supernatural will of the Holy Spirit (the virgin became pregnant).
. Someone who preexisted with the Father (before the world was created) incarnated in a human body and became Jesus, the Son of God and the Son of men.

Conclusion - you can not say Jesus was merely man, He was a lot more.

LOL…you make me laugh….when did we ever say that Jesus was merely a man? He was the only man born of woman to be sinless, by the power of God’s spirit…..if he was not 100% human he could not have paid the price of redemption.
An immortal God cannot die, nor can mere humans kill God.

So far so good?

End of part one.

Not that I can see…
Part two may perhaps be more accurate……?
Part one was a joke.

 

[ProDeo]

This is a joke….right?

LOL…Read the entire psalm and see for yourself what it’s about….

“Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!”
He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them. Then He will speak to them in His anger
And terrify them in His fury, saying, “But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.” “I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,
You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”
Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
Take warning, O judges of the earth.” (NASB)
What does this mean in context? Do you see that God is speaking about installing his King….saying “you are my son”…..can God be his own son? Does God need to give himself nations as his inheritance?
You pluck verses out of context and wonder why people who study the Scriptures disagree with your cherry picked verses.

Did Jesus become King at his birth?
What did Daniel see in vision?
Daniel 7:13-14….Jesus’ coronation as King of God’s Kingdom….

“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.” (NASB)
This is not a baby….

“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

Did Jesus have a pre-human existence? …yes he did…..
Col 1:15…
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.”

Firstborn of all creation, meaning he is the first of God’s creations….
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this“. (Rev 3:14)




LOL…you make me laugh….when did we ever say that Jesus was merely a man? He was the only man born of woman to be sinless, by the power of God’s spirit…..if he was not 100% human he could not have paid the price of redemption.
An immortal God cannot die, nor can mere humans kill God.

Not that I can see…
Part two may perhaps be more accurate……?
Part one was a joke.

Thank you Aunty for all the compliments.

It's beyond my understanding that you miss the mystery of the incarnation, 2 natures that melt together.

One more thing -

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
Joh 8:57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Joh 8:59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Jesus referring to the burning bush revelation to Moses

Ex 3:13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?”
Ex 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

The Jews understood what Jesus was saying about Himself, you don't see it, pity.

You may have the last word, it seems to be all in vain.

 

[Episkopos]

Absolute lie and hard to listen to...this is leading souls to perdition, not to salvation. It's not from the mind of Christ but from the mind of a virtue-signalling (aka self-righteous) man. I wonder what @Episkopos thinks of this.

I hadn't noticed this...since I have many fluff providers here on ignore. Those who troll my threads for no reason but to justify their egos...I don't respond to mostly...unless their folly is such that it needs responding to.

Regarding the Pope and his statement about all religions leading to God. I disagree wholeheartedly. The reason that some might think that I believe that is because they are themselves stuck in a dogmatic jail...having zero discernment and no understanding of the bible at all.

There is only one way to the Father...and that is through Christ...the one Mediator between the Father and humanity. I have only stated that hundreds of times. But the blind and the deaf here will see that as my omission rather than see their own bent, blindness and deafness.


Unlike others here, I operate in truth and reality not some religious factory setting. I cannot be judged by the carnal religious ones here...I can only be misunderstood by those who also misunderstand the bible.

Unlike the selfish ones here...God is merciful beyond what the religionists spout. Actually, many who claim "exclusivism" will be rejected from God on judgment day...Perfect Pharisees these are.

 

[Behold]

Unlike others here, I operate in truth

You were not telling the "truth" the numerous times you stated that "The Cross is not about forgiveness"........and "God does not give His Righteousness to anyone".

So, you were dishonest everytime you stated those false statements, and you'll be dishonest when you state those deceptions next time, and the time after that...