Omnist Christianity and the elohim.

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amigo de christo

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“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. ”
Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
“3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ”
Revelation 12:9 KJV
Did i not warn us for a long time my friend . look at what is taking over christendom .
I tried my friend . i truly did . but most want to beleive this other stuff and not rather THE preaching and reminding
of YE MUST BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . i tried to warn us friend . i truly did .
The harlot will unite all not in the lambs book of life to a lie that suits all the false religoins .
Its coming in my friend . I did try and warn .
 
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So I believe hell is the event of the body and soul being destroyed. I think it’s the second death. But I do think that death is a real death. I think we die once physically, or rather we die and don’t back back to life eventually, even if we die and shocked back into life, eventually doctors can’t bring us back. That’s the first death. The second death I believe is that we stand before God and are judged for being evil. I think those found guilty die again, and never come back. But I don’t think the wicked gets eternal life even to be tortured in the fires of hell.
I don't really try to concern myself about hell since that is certainly not my planned final destination . What happens to those whose final home is not basking in God's light and love I figure God will do as he desires and no use in me game planning it .
As for demons I’ve not made up my mind. In the Bible, I believe the lore around demons are that they are the bodiless living spirits of the nephilim. The hybrid children of angels and women. I guess maybe in the folklore there could have been men who slept with angelic women but I lean more towards just male angels sleeping with women giving birth to giants and after those giants died, their body decayed but their spirit continued on. But I don’t think that’s real thing. I think the giants, and therefor their spirits known as demons, don’t exist.
Bodiless spirits of the Nephilim , that is my consensus . Are demons here now in our world , I will give you a personal experience .

Some years back I was telling someone on a Christian forum that they were wrong about their bible being supernaturally changed by the forces of evil , Mandela Effect as it was called . They were leading other people into this error and with the Holy Spirits help I was able to show the person was wrong without a doubt . That ended the Mandela Effect on the forum .
I like to sit outside in the dark in front yard and pray , no one can see me or hear me . That night after the Mandela Effect was ended on the forum I went out side and took my seat on the front patio and had been there a minute or two and had not started praying when I heard the wettest most vicious snarl right over my shoulder maybe a few feet away , this snarl sounded unlike any animal I have ever heard . But there was no fear and no signs of fear from me like hair standing up on my neck or goose flesh and the reason why was either right before or simultaneously I heard these words "That's Demonic ." I chuckled actually as I realized the spirit that was behind what I was battling online was not happy . The Holy Spirit was there with me , the comforter .
I heavily influenced by cessationism of gifts that were given to the apostles or those they laid their hands on. With the apostles gone I believe the gifts of laying on of hands have ended .
I guess I could have been in the cessation fold , I could have read lots of books and listened to the words of lots of people that believe that way .
God never gave me the chance to believe in cessation . When I finally went to front of the church and kneeled and took Jesus for my savior as I stood up these words not of my thoughts were trying to come out of my mouth ! I thought what is going on ! So yes I was given the gift of tongues before I left the place I had kneeled to become born again . Once you have spoke as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance there is no denying the Gifts of the Holy Spirit . Cessation was never an option for me .
 

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I would like to answer a few questions from part of this post .
Here is a question for you. In Acts 16 we read of a girl possessed by a spirit that tells the future. This is a typical translation of verses 16-18.

16 One day as we were going to the place of prayer, we met a female slave who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners a great deal of money by fortune-telling. 17 While she followed Paul and us, she would cry out, “These men are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” 18 She kept doing this for many days. But Paul, very much annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.

Was that spirit of divination a fallen angel? A demon? Why was this evil being, if you think it’s evil, possessing this girl and telling everyone that what they are saying is true. Why would evil being say….. these men are slaves of the most high god and are proclaiming to you the way of salvation?

Was this being lying or telling the truth?

Was that spirit of divination a fallen angel? A demon?
A demon , Paul cast the demon out through the power of the Holy Spirit . I have not seen mention of a fallen angel being cast out of a person . Unless you have an example I have missed .
Why would evil being say….. these men are slaves of the most high god and are proclaiming to you the way of salvation?

Was this being lying or telling the truth?
This was nothing less than a satanic attack on the apostles , a planned and cunning attack . Paul knew that if he cast the demon out it would cause grief to the woman's handlers , a loss of their income . If you hit people in their pocket book they will squeal with displeasure , and they did ! Verse 19&20 . So was this why Paul waited ? I believe so .

YES , the demon speaking through the woman was speaking the truth but in a disruptive way that we really don't get explained to us in detail . It had to be most vexing to Paul . We can certainly imagine the crying out from the woman was coming at very inopportune times as the apostles were ministering .

The demons know things of this world , is it a demonic cabal of some kind , I believe so , notice what the damsel said .

17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

"most high God " El Elyon , the Absolutely Sovereign God an old testament title for God .
These words coming from an unclean vessel , Satan's method is to counterfeit that which is genuine, thereby confusing and corrupting it .

41And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
 

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An omnist Christian is a Christian who believes in one supreme God who had revealed himself to mankind as many gods and this supreme being of love and justice was incarnated in the flesh as Jesus Christ. We also believe that this same god will have revealed himself to any other species that exists in the universe.
In that case, why would the Supreme God have a problem with idolatry?

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In that case, why would the Supreme God have a problem with idolatry?

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I don’t think he did. I think that’s what the ancient Jews believed, and so that’s why they wrote it. Or rather at one point they wrote it. There are other parts of the Bible where it seems god nor the Jews did believe that.

Just look at how they believed that stars were gods, and eventually those gods became angels, and eventually, one of those angels, Yahweh, became conflated with El the supreme.
 

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I don’t think he did. I think that’s what the ancient Jews believed, and so that’s why they wrote it. Or rather at one point they wrote it. There are other parts of the Bible where it seems god nor the Jews did believe that.

Just look at how they believed that stars were gods, and eventually those gods became angels, and eventually, one of those angels, Yahweh, became conflated with El the supreme.
Conflated with El the supreme?
Didn't they believe the Torah? (or the legends that became Torah) ???

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Here is a few things, though I think I mentioned already I’ll highlight again.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9
8 When the Most High apportioned the nations,
when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the gods;
9 the Lord’s own portion was his people,
Jacob his allotted share.

So most who read this reads most high as the same as the lords. It’s purposely translated that way, to help push the particular systematic theology.

But what it says is

When El set up the nations El did so according to the number of his sons and Yahweh’s portion was Jacob’s people. In Hebrew, Yahweh here is being called a son of God. Yahweh here is an angel.

We see portions of this happening elsewhere when we see it says “ god said or did this “ and later on it’s the “ angel of the lord said or did this”.

Lastly we see this.
2 Kings 3:15-20
15 But get me a musician.” And then, while the musician was playing, the hand of the Lord came on him. 16 And he said, “Thus says the Lord: I will make this wadi full of pools. 17 For thus says the Lord: You shall see neither wind nor rain, but the wadi shall be filled with water, so that you shall drink, you, your army,
and your animals. 18 This is only a trifle in the sight of the Lord, for he will also hand Moab over to you. 19 You shall conquer every fortified city and every choice city; every good tree you shall fell, all springs of water you shall stop up, and every good piece of land you shall ruin with stones.” 20 The next day, about the time of the morning offering, suddenly water began to flow from the direction of Edom until the country was filled with water.

Here it’s stated that God was with them and that he would hand Moab over to them. But then we see this a few verses later.

2 kings 3:25-27
25 The cities they overturned, and on every good piece of land everyone threw a stone until it was covered; every spring of water they stopped up, and every good tree they felled. Only at Kir-hareseth did the stone walls remain until the slingers surrounded and attacked it. 26 When the king of Moab saw that the battle was going against him, he took with him seven hundred swordsmen to break through opposite the king of Edom, but they could not. 27 Then he took his firstborn son who was to succeed him and offered him as a burnt offering on the wall. And great wrath came upon Israel, so they withdrew from him and returned to their own land.

The King of Moab sacrificed his son who was to succeed him and because of that, a divine wrath….. from another god “ Chemosh “ instead drove them away.

We see things also where it seems God did not know what was happening until he came closer.

Genesis 11
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves; otherwise we shall be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.”5 The Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which mortals had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Look, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lordscattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.

It says God came down ( as if heaven is actually in the clouds ) to get a better look.

Seems the modern concept of God does not align with the ancient Jewish one.


Also, none of this undermines accomondationsim.
 

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The issue that many face nowadays as laypeople with minimal understanding of the history of god, history of the Torah, history of the tanakh and so on.

Most seem to think God magically hikacked Moses who then wrote the five books exactly how it was dictated through some sort of automatic writing. But then reality is that dozens of authors over hundreds to thousands of years were involved. Then refactors ( editors ) further connected, rearranged parts, took out stuff, added stuff, and so on. Creating the texts we have. Then scholars and scribes over thousands of years within councils debated and argued , and edited, the Bible and created various collections that of it.
 
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