Examples for our Instruction:

[Keraz]

1 Corinthians 10:11 What happened to your forefathers are examples and were recorded as warnings for us, on whom the end of the ages has come.

Zechariah 2:1-5 I looked and saw a man measuring Jerusalem. It will be a city without walls because of the great number of people and livestock within it. The Lord says; I, Myself will be a wall of fire around it and a Glorious Presence within it.
Although it has usually been assumed that these verses apply to the Millennium period; a careful study of the context and matching passages, especially Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 and Ezekiel 38:8 & 11, shows that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus.

Zechariah 2:6-9 Come away, flee from the land of the North, flee from your dispersion around the world. The Lord says: Escape from Babylon, you people of Zion. My mission is to speak out against those nations that have plundered you, that ‘have touched the apple of His eye’. He will surely raise His hand against them and their former slaves will plunder them.
As soon as the time period decreed for the exile of Israel [2730 years] and Judah [1960 years] is completed, Ezekiel 4:4-6,the Lord will call them out of Babylon.
First Exodus: Egypt, Second Exodus: “Babylon”, a metaphor for all the godless nations. He will punish those who caused trouble to His faithful peoples and they will take goods and treasure back to the Land with them. Exodus 12:35-36

Zechariah 2:10-12 Shout and be glad, people of Zion, for the Lord is coming and He will dwell among you. Many nations will give their allegiance to Him on that Day and you will know that I have brought His message to you. He will claim the portion of Judah in the Holy Land and will again make Jerusalem His city.

‘The Lord is coming, He will dwell among you’. This will happen first with the Shekinah glory in the new Temple, Ezekiel 43:1-4, then later, at the Return of Jesus.
‘Many nations’, not the whole world, as it will be after the Return. Revelation 15:4
‘Jerusalem, His city’, This will be completely fulfilled at the end of the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-4

Zechariah 2:13 Let all mortals be silent, because the Lord has roused Himself and come down from His holy dwelling place. Isaiah 28:21
This refers to the next prophesied event – the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, a worldwide judgement of fire against His enemies. Revelation 6:12-17
Zechariah 3:9-10 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land. On that Day, you will call everyone your neighbour, under the vine and under the fig tree.
Israel – the vine, Judah – the fig tree, rejoined at last. Ezekiel 37:15-23, Isaiah 5:7

This time, the Lord will help His people by destroying their enemies in a single Day. From this and other prophecies, we know that this will be done by a Coronal Mass Ejection, an earth directed explosion of the suns surface.

Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, from His dwelling place, against all the inhabitants of the Land. The noise reaches the ends of the earth as He brings judgement against all the nations and the wicked peoples will be killed.

 

[quietthinker]

This time, the Lord will help His people by destroying their enemies in a single Day. From this and other prophecies, we know that this will be done by a Coronal Mass Ejection, an earth directed explosion of the suns surface.

I hope your asbestos suit has a suitable rating to withstand whatever's coming your way

 

[Galgal]

I hope your asbestos suit has a suitable rating to withstand whatever's coming your way

The fire of the Lord's wrath strikes from the INSIDE. No suit will save you, no bomb shelter will protect you.

 

[quietthinker]

The fire of the Lord's wrath strikes from the INSIDE. No suit will save you, no bomb shelter will protect you.

yes, whatever's coming your way!

 

[Keraz]

I hope your asbestos suit has a suitable rating to withstand whatever's coming your way

It's coming your way too! Jeremiah 25:33, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17

The fire of the Lord's wrath strikes from the INSIDE. No suit will save you, no bomb shelter will protect you.

Why then are we told to seek shelter? Isaiah 26:20-21 Jeremiah 39:18, Luke 21:18-19

 

[quietthinker]

It's coming your way too! Jeremiah 25:33, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17

Why then are we told to seek shelter? Isaiah 26:20-21 Jeremiah 39:18, Luke 21:18-19

where do you think there is suitable shelter Keraz?

 

[Galgal]

Why then are we told to seek shelter? Isaiah 26:20-21 Jeremiah 39:18, Luke 21:18-19

Isaiah 26:20-21 is similar to the situation in Matthew 25:8-9. We will not pray for those who did not obtain the Spirit in time by their sacrifice to God.

Jeremiah 39:18 means that each person can only save himself by following the Lord as the Lord personally leads him. You cannot lead others as pastors do now. All pastors will lead to nowhere.

Luke 21:18-19 means salvation of those who are disciples and followers of Jesus Christ. Not followers of Catholicism, Orthodoxy or Protestantism. Not followers of Pentecostalism or Baptism. But those who have sacrificed their lives to God in Jesus Christ. God will save such. Physical protection has nothing to do with it. If you want to save yourself from solar flares or meteorites, you need good underground bunkers, which only very rich people can afford to build. But nowhere does it say that "blessed are the rich." On the contrary, "blessed are the poor." Because God is a fire that consumes a person FROM THE INSIDE, not from the outside.

 

[Keraz]

where do you think there is suitable shelter Keraz?

What will happen on the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath., is:
Extreme heat - get under cover.
Violent earthquakes - Keep away from anything that could fall on you.
Powerful storms - Shelter from the wind.
Huge tsunami's - Go to high ground.
There is Prophesies for each of these things. They are all real and physical, they will happen and the world will never be the same again.

However, the reality is that we will all be at great risk of death or injury, so the Lord has told us exactly what to do - Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved; Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13, Joel 2:32

 

[quietthinker]

What will happen on the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath., is:
Extreme heat - get under cover.
Violent earthquakes - Keep away from anything that could fall on you.
Powerful storms - Shelter from the wind.
Huge tsunami's - Go to high ground.
There is Prophesies for each of these things. They are all real and physical, they will happen and the world will never be the same again.

However, the reality is that we will all be at great risk of death or injury, so the Lord has told us exactly what to do - Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved; Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13, Joel 2:32

I'm speechless at your ignorance Keraz!

 

[Jay Ross]

Violent earthquakes - Keep away from anything that could fall on you.

As usual, your ignorance of the scriptures and the flawed translations that you rely on are still misleading you into error in your pronouncements.

Oh well, at least you are trying to us.

 

[Keraz]

2 Thessalonians 1:4-10 We hold you [Christians] up as a good example of steadfast faith, because you have kept faithful despite difficulties and troubles. This will show the justice of God's judgement, when you prove worthy to partake in the Kingdom, for which you are currently suffering.

It is just that God should balance the account by sending affliction to those who afflict you and to give you relief when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction cut off from any hope of salvation, when on that great Day, He comes to reveal His glory among His own and to all believers. Therefore to you, since you believe the testimony of the Gospel.

All born again Christians. This passage describes the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, a terrible fire judgement upon His enemies and how, at that time, He saves and delivers His people. He is not seen by all the world at this first event, only by believers in Him. Many other prophecies parallel this; Isaiah 10:17-22, Isaiah 29:19-21, Isaiah 30:26, Jeremiah 30:4-8, Ezekiel 34:12, Amos 9:8-12

2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 Now, about the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ, when He is to gather the elect to Himself, do not be alarmed by anyone who says He is here already. Let no one deceive you: that Day cannot come before the final rebellion against God, when wickedness will be revealed in human form, the man doomed to destruction. He is the adversary who aspires to be worshipped in God's place and he even enthrones himself in the temple, claiming to be God. Daniel 8:10

Already the secret forces of wickedness are at work, but the restraining power of the Holy Spirit will ensure that he will be revealed only at the appointed time. Then, the Lord Jesus will destroy him by His Spirit and His radiant power.

Now - that is: several years after the Prophesied events of judgement and deliverance, Jesus will Return, in glory, visible to all. He destroys the armies attacking Jerusalem and chains up Satan, then commences His Millennial reign. Revelation 19:11-21, Revelation 20:1-6 At this time He gathers 'the elect' to Himself, Matthew 24:31, 1 Thess 4:15-17, they are the people who have kept pure and faithful to Him, during the Tribulation.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 The coming of this wicked person is the work of Satan, it will be accompanied by all the powerful signs and miracles that falsehood can devise and every sort of evil that deceives those who do not open their minds to the truth. They are doomed to perish, because they refuse to listen to the Gospel of the truth, so God has put them under a compelling delusion; which makes them believe what is false. So all will be judged and condemned who have rejected the truth, but have made sinfulness their choice.
Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Here, in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians, he prophesies about two separate appearances of Jesus. First, His ‘coming’ the sending of 'blazing fire', after that; He will reveal Himself only to His righteous people. He destroys the nations and entities who 'conspire to attack Israel', in fulfilment of Psalm 83, Revelation 6:12-17 and many other prophecies. His righteous Christian people then go to live in the holy Land. Then, several years after that devastating and shocking event, the Anti-Christ will come to power and 'enthrone himself in the Temple', this commences the Great Tribulation and 1260 days later, Jesus Returns to live once again on earth and reign as King over the world.

 

[quietthinker]

Here, in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians, he prophesies about two separate appearances of Jesus. First, His ‘coming’ the sending of 'blazing fire', after that; He will reveal Himself only to His righteous people. He destroys the nations and entities who 'conspire to attack Israel', in fulfilment of Psalm 83, Revelation 6:12-17 and many other prophecies. His righteous Christian people then go to live in the holy Land. Then, several years after that devastating and shocking event, the Anti-Christ will come to power and 'enthrone himself in the Temple', this commences the Great Tribulation and 1260 days later, Jesus Returns to live once again on earth and reign as King over the world.

What a mess you have made in your cobbling Keraz!

 

[Keraz]

What a mess you have made in your cobbling Keraz!

Read this again, very carefully:

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 The coming of this wicked person is the work of Satan, it will be accompanied by all the powerful signs and miracles that falsehood can devise and every sort of evil that deceives those who do not open their minds to the truth. They are doomed to perish, because they refuse to listen to the Gospel of the truth, so God has put them under a compelling delusion; which makes them believe what is false. So all will be judged and condemned who have rejected the truth, but have made sinfulness their choice.

 

[quietthinker]

Read this again, very carefully:

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 The coming of this wicked person is the work of Satan, it will be accompanied by all the powerful signs and miracles that falsehood can devise and every sort of evil that deceives those who do not open their minds to the truth. They are doomed to perish, because they refuse to listen to the Gospel of the truth, so God has put them under a compelling delusion; which makes them believe what is false. So all will be judged and condemned who have rejected the truth, but have made sinfulness their choice.

You are the one doing the cobbling...not the scripture. Yet you use the scripture as if it approves your cobbling. You have tricked yourself.

 

[Keraz]

You are the one doing the cobbling...not the scripture. Yet you use the scripture as if it approves your cobbling. You have tricked yourself.

Here's a new idea for you; Provide scripture to refute what I post, NOT your one line opinions.

Jesus said that many would be misled. Matthew 24:4-5
Those who believe theories which do not have proper Biblical support, have been deceived by false teachers.

 

[ewq1938]

This refers to the next prophesied event – the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, a worldwide judgement of fire against His enemies. Revelation 6:12-17

The passage doesn't speak of fire at all. Why do you cite it and claim there is fire?

No fire:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


Again, no fire killing anyone. Even the sun is not shining. So much for any deadly discharge from the sun you always claim will happen.

 

[quietthinker]

Here's a new idea for you; Provide scripture to refute what I post, NOT your one line opinions.

Jesus said that many would be misled. Matthew 24:4-5
Those who believe theories which do not have proper Biblical support, have been deceived by false teachers.

Ohhh Keraz, Your use of the term 'proper biblical support' is a straw man. Why?, because anyone who cobbles scriptures in any context will and does claim 'proper biblical support'. They, as do you, take things out of their intended context, then proudly parade their structure and call it biblical. Isn't that the same angle the Jews used to condemn Jesus? They used 'biblical support'. John 19:7

My guess is that even if I posted scripture to support my position you would not accept it, so where does that leave 'proper biblical support'?

The questions you need to ask me, you do not ask....and I wonder, do you even know what to ask? I cannot ask them for you if you aren't curious or you are so enamoured with your own view/ interpretation, you are just not open to hear another.

 

[Keraz]

The passage doesn't speak of fire at all. Why do you cite it and claim there is fire?

Because Rev 6:12-17, describes other effects of a Coronal Mass Ejection. 70 + other Prophesies mention fire on that Day.

Again, no fire killing anyone. Even the sun is not shining. So much for any deadly discharge from the sun you always claim will happen.

On the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, millions will die from the extreme heat, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis. Isaiah 66:13-17, Jeremiah 25:33, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7
There are several possibilities for the sun to darken on that Day. The sun itself may react to the massive loss of material. Then the ejected mass will itself obscure the sun, as it approaches the earth. Also; the volcanic eruptions caused by microwave penetration of the earths crust, Deuteronomy 32:22, will fill the atmosphere with smoke and ash.

Realize this: it isn't just me who is warning about a CME. There is plenty of information from respected scientists and Bible studiers, who know about the probability of a big CME setting the world back into 1800's technology.

Don't you think God NEEDS to do something about Hs Creation, which has gotten itself into a state that only our Maker can correct.

 

[Keraz]

My guess is that even if I posted scripture to support my position you would not accept it, so where does that leave 'proper biblical support'?

Try it.
Would make a nice change from your unpleasant one liners. Actually, I don't know what your position is, other than it conflicts with mine.

 

[ewq1938]

Because Rev 6:12-17, describes other effects of a Coronal Mass Ejection. 70 + other Prophesies mention fire on that Day.

The text of the 6th seal doesn't speak of anything of the sort and you know it. You just take unrelated prophecies in the OT and make the outrageous claim they take place at the 6th seal despite NOTHING in the 6th seal supporting it. It's a day of wrath for sure, but not fire or the imaginary Coronal Mass Ejection. In the text, the sun is not even shining anymore and people are very much alive but want to die which is why they go to the mountains. They aren't there to hide or be safer, they want to die.