THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

Oh grief, you can keep those Sardines in the can, I don’t want ‘em!! LOL!
This thread is getting to be just about as useful!

Have a good day, y’all.

 

[A Freeman]

Please see the following list of over 50 of the hundreds of verses confirming that there is no "trinity" and that Jesus (the Son of Man) was NOT God (nor is Christ part of a trinity or anything other than the Son of God, exactly as the Scriptures tell us):

References to Christ as the Son OF God (50+)

Matthew (9): 4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54
Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39
Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70
John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30
Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29
1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20

Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

And in Psalms, where Father (God, the Most High) refers His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son: Psalm 2:7, 2:12, Dan. 3:25.

This of course is in perfect agreement with the references to Christ as “the firstborn of every creature” in Colossians 1:15, "the firstbegotten" (firstborn/first-created) in Hebrews 1:1-6, and “the beginning of the creation of God” in Rev. 3:14. There simply is no other way for Christ to be the literal Son of God (as well as the literal firstborn).

REFERENCES IN SCRIPTURE TO CHRIST AS “GOD THE SON”: ZERO (0)

REFERENCES IN SCRIPTURE TO “THE DEITY OF CHRIST”: ZERO (0)

The word “of”, by definition, indicates the origin or derivation of something, e.g. a Son OF God.

Common-sense: A Father ALWAYS comes BEFORE the Father's Son, just as a son ALWAYS is descended FROM the Son's Father. The Son is the OFFSPRING CREATED BY the Father, by definition.

God is NOT the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33); Satan is.

 

[TheHC]

You will never be SAVED by the name 'jehovah' = God will not accept this from you.

My goodness! There you go, once again relegating Yahweh / Jehovah (God) second fiddle to Jesus (the ‘one whom God sent’ John 17:3; 3:16)!

Joel 2:32 (ASV) says…”And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered…”

Proverbs 18:10 ASV says….
”The name of Jehovah is a strong tower; The righteous runneth into it, and is safe.”

Jesus is our Savior, because “God made” him such! (Acts 2:36) And “God exalted him and gave him the name”, Jesus did not give it to himself! — Philippians 2:9.

 

[MatthewG]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

The Word was God. How? Because the Word God had spoken in the beginning is and was part of God that created light.

I don’t believe in the trinity, all we can do is go off the evidences we have in the Bible, though the Word of God was God in showing the characteristics of the Heart; the Word of God was within the Lord Jesus/Yeshua, and Yeshua carried out the Fathers will, and Word. Yeshua died on the cross having been born of spirit and of flesh.

That’s my take on it, God himself couldn’t have died, but the Word of God did; only to be risen again 3 days later, by the Holy Spirit of the Father.


I think back at when the Word of God, born of flesh and of spirit named Yeshua and Emmanuel, died how the disciples lost all hope, returned home or was going back to fishing.

The reason I don’t believe in the trinity is because I just don’t see it as a viable concept that merits anyone a better relationship with God over the next human being who simply has faith, and looks to Yahavah and to having fellowship with him and his Son.

 

[ProDeo]

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Does that count ?

 

[Ritajanice]

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Does that count ?

That’s a good one...let’s see what others think .maybe he was talking to them both. no he clearly stated , Thomas answered only him....My Lord and my God..

 

[MatthewG]

Thomas realized that Jesus was the Word of God. Yeshua was the representative of God as the Spoken Word. “If you have seen me you have seen the Father” not that it makes him the Father himself. This is key in my opinion to understanding how God (Yahavah) didn’t die on the cross his Word died for the Sins of the World.

Today Yahavah and Yeshua are One together again on the throne. As it was in the beginning with God and his Word, and the Holy Spirit of God which emanated from Yahavah.


There will always be division in these areas; and I don’t cut ties just because someone believes in the trinity; it’s just up to them. After all we are on just a forum board with the “Christian” title in the name. Nothing more. Everyone is having their own subjective experiences and also subjective arguments and also subjective beliefs. It’s a mixed melting pot but when people harbor hate or they believe they “are the authority” watch out!

 

[Ritajanice]

One together again on the throne

Compare

• To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
• Thou, O Lord, remainest for ever;
  thy throne from generation to generation.
• Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
• But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
• Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
• And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

 

[A Freeman]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

The Word was God. How? Because the Word God had spoken in the beginning is and was part of God that created light.

I don’t believe in the trinity, all we can do is go off the evidences we have in the Bible, though the Word of God was God in showing the characteristics of the Heart; the Word of God was within the Lord Jesus/Yeshua, and Yeshua carried out the Fathers will, and Word. Yeshua died on the cross having been born of spirit and of flesh.

That’s my take on it, God himself couldn’t have died, but the Word of God did; only to be risen again 3 days later, by the Holy Spirit of the Father.


I think back at when the Word of God, born of flesh and of spirit named Yeshua and Emmanuel, died how the disciples lost all hope, returned home or was going back to fishing.

The reason I don’t believe in the trinity is because I just don’t see it as a viable concept that merits anyone a better relationship with God over the next human being who simply has faith, and looks to Yahavah and to having fellowship with him and his Son.

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/in-the-beginning-was-the-word/

 

[Lizbeth]

Don’t say they were Born Again like you and me, you have no idea, that’s your opinion,and you certainly don’t know how I was Born Again, you think it’s some remedy that you think you can just speak out and speak into existence, then you are very much mistaken..

No, that Is not how I was Born Again, don't add your testimony to my Living testimony, I was chosen by God to become Born Again, ..I had no say in the matter, you believe what you believe, I believe my living testimony, who indwells my spirit.

I dont expect you to understand this, but you're in error already if you think everything has to be explicitly stated in scripture. There are reasons why things are hid from some and revealed to others. (eg, if the devil had known.....he would not have crucified the Lord of glory). Jesus said you will know them by their FRUITS, not by it being explicitly written down or that believers need to keep repeating over and over again umpteen times a day that they are born again.

 

[A Freeman]

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Does that count ?

Those are the words of Thomas. Shouldn't Christ be Thomas' Lord (and ours) just as Father (God) is Christ's Lord/God and Father?

Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> THE LORD (the "I AM") said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24 Then [cometh] The End, when he shall have delivered up The Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
15:25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under his feet.
15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
15:27 For He (God) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under him.
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

These are the words of Christ (through the mouth of Jesus) in blue, about His Father and His God:

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I*.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

*The pagan Roman Catholic "trinity" doctrine/tradition teaches that Christ is equal to God, even though Christ plainly stated that His (Christ's) Father is GREATER than Christ and is Christ's God.

This truth is shared with others so that they may truly get to know The One and Only True God (Father, the "I AM") AND Christ, whom Father sent.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @A Freeman,

I just go by what I gather from the text most of the time, and try to go by the Holy Spirit; cause all we got is evidences, to go from. Can you just summarize what that link is?

 

[Brakelite]

I can't believe there's 40 pages between my last read... the following quotes, and where this post will appear... I'm not going to go through all 40 pages, so sorry if my comment below is a repeat, but anyway here goes...

God’s plan is in place before time existed.

I have never thought of the Son as begotten in eternity past as He is without beginning or ending, his going's forth are from everlasting.

John 1:14

The Word Becomes Flesh​

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Begotten as in when become flesh. This their determined plan and purpose from before the foundation of the world, before anyone sinned.

Amen!.that makes sense.thank you.

I never knew that.

There are no scriptures that state: the Son was "eternally" begotten

The only begotten Son of God STRICTLY refers to, the WORD that was God, becoming flesh.
This is the only application permitted by the FATHER and the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:14

It's strange isn't it. I don't agree with some that our differences can be laid at the feet of denominational thinking. We can all read the same simple scripture, and come up with different understanding. I think with my added perspective, we now have at least 5 diverse takes on what

“16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ”
John 3:16-17 KJV

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....means.

Personally, I think that because the scripture says, and regardless whether Jesus said these words or John, both were holy Spirit inspired and therefore Truth, God sent His Only begotten Son into the world, then I am of a mind that God had a Son to send. Is that unreasonable?

 

[Lizbeth]

Those are the words of Thomas. Shouldn't Christ be Thomas' Lord (and ours) just as Father (God) is Christ's Lord/God and Father?

Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> THE LORD (the "I AM") said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24 Then [cometh] The End, when he shall have delivered up The Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
15:25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under his feet.
15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
15:27 For He (God) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under him.
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

These are the words of Christ (through the mouth of Jesus) in blue, about His Father and His God:

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I*.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

*The pagan Roman Catholic "trinity" doctrine/tradition teaches that Christ is equal to God, even though Christ plainly stated that His (Christ's) Father is GREATER than Christ and is Christ's God.

This truth is shared with others so that they may truly get to know The One and Only True God (Father, the "I AM") AND Christ, whom Father sent.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

It is everywhere implied in scripture WHO Jesus Christ is, without being CRASSLY stated. We have people here insisting on crassness rather than relying on the Holy Spirit for discernment and understanding. "He being in the form of God did not consider equality with God something to be grasped but being found in the form of a man made Himself a servant." "Thus it becometh us now to fulfill all righteousness"....not because He needed to be baptized........but to set the example and act as a forerunner and point of the spear for us mere mortals.

 

[amigo de christo]

The most precious fruit is LOVE and LOVE always speaks the TRUTH and TRUTH is a Person = Jesus the Christ

Anyone who denies the Lord Jesus Christ reveals their true character!!!

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true.
Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables
and commandments of men who turn from the truth.
To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.
They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

It dont seem to matter what group one claims to be in , jw , baptist , lutheran , etc
they all seem to now have the same language
of the Mindset that anyone who corrects is a judmental pharisee , craving his own etc .
The reason why they are sounding more and more the same is because INCLUSIVTY that leadeth to interfaith , its methods
have INFILTRATED the entire realm of protestant . A harlot cries to all to enter back into her chambers
and this harlot is bringing in ALL the religoins . The judge not correct nots have zero idea
who they made their bed with friend . Inclusivity has breached all the denominatoins for quite some time now .
to a jw it appeared as one , to a mormon it appeared as one , to etc etc , all the while its langague of a false love
and unity and finding common ground was breakingthem all down from within and remolding them into
WHAT WE SEE TODAY and soon phase two will even be complete . TO INCLUDE EVERY RELIGOIN known to man .
And even now as this has began kicking off the same cries can be heared , JUDGE NOT , JUDGE NOT
its like watching a nightmare on repeat mode .

 

[amigo de christo]

Question... how many Holy Spirits are there in the Bible?

ONE . Me and my Father will make our abode on that man . THERE BE ONLY ONE HOLY SPIRIT
And now for another lovely reminder .
God IS HIS WORD and his WORD has the last word and is the JUDGE and will judge
all on the last day .
He who hears not my words has one that judges him . THE WORDS that i have spoken shall be HIS JUDGE .
man and his ever changing ways and words to fit society do change and flow the ever changing tides of life
BUT ITS NOT MAN WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY . And not a word one of the LORD gonna fail .
I suggest bible time and may we all enjoy love and embrace TRUTH . have a blessed day now .

 

[Marvelloustime]

ONE . Me and my Father will make our abode on that man . THERE BE ONLY ONE HOLY SPIRIT
And now for another lovely reminder .
God IS HIS WORD and his WORD has the last word and is the JUDGE and will judge
all on the last day .
He who hears not my words has one that judges him . THE WORDS that i have spoken shall be HIS JUDGE .
man and his ever changing ways and words to fit society do change and flow the ever changing tides of life
BUT ITS NOT MAN WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY . And not a word one of the LORD gonna fail .
I suggest bible time and may we all enjoy love and embrace TRUTH . have a blessed day now .

@amigo de christo

 

[CadyandZoe]

The Scriptures clearly state that God created all things “through“ his son….this is agency, making the pre-human Jesus the facilitator of creation not its source. Only Yahweh is the Creator….Jesus is never addressed that way.

There is no such thing as a pre-human Jesus.

No one knows the date of Jesus’ birth because the Bible does not say…..most likely because the Jews did not celebrate birthdays because to do so was to copy astrologers who used the date of birth to predict a child’s future, to calculate a horoscope for them…..something forbidden to God’s people. (Deut 18:9-12)

 

[CadyandZoe]

Good Night Ritajanice

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:1-5

Do you know what people believed back then? They believed that the Messiah would be an angel or a theophany. Therefore, to believe that Jesus is the Christ is to accept that a man, not a deity, is the messiah.

 

[Grailhunter]

No it’s not, I’ve already posted my testimony, which lines up with scripture.

Becoming Born Again is all of God, nothing to do with you.,we were chosen ,predestined to become a child of God, just like Jesus, he never chose to be the Messiah, just like us he was chosen before the foundation of the world..I had 100% no say in my spirit birth...God chose me to witness of his truth and that’s exactly what I’m doing, by his Living testimony who indwells my heart/ spirit..he is the one testifying Gods truth out of my mouth..not me.

Tell me how I know that God is who he says he is..just by human reasoning or by reading a Bible,seriously,you need much more than that, you tell me how you know that God is a Living supernatural Spirit, you tell me how you or I could possibly know that?

Every time I ask that question, no one can seem to answer it.

You are all wrong, but at least you have fertile mind.