On the pre-existence of Jesus

[MonoBiblical]

Where is the verse that says you do not need to trust Jesus?

I suppose you think prayer solves things.

 

[David in NJ]

I suppose you think prayer solves things.

This is WHY we need to trust the Lord Jesus Christ

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be grasped,
but emptied Himself,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross.

Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place
and gave Him the name above all names,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

 

[MonoBiblical]

This is WHY we need to trust the Lord Jesus Christ

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be grasped,
but emptied Himself,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross.

Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place
and gave Him the name above all names,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Prayer solves nothing and your passages don't quote the harsh law of Christ; a part being considerate to thy enemies.

 

[RLT63]

YES, the Apostles knew the TRUTH of Who JESUS was BEFORE He came to earth

Gospel of John - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

How can anyone read this and then say that Jesus is not the Word?

 

[David in NJ]

Prayer solves nothing and your passages don't quote the harsh law of Christ; a part being considerate to thy enemies.

JESUS said there is no greater LOVE then to lay down one's life for another

In my post to you are only the LOVE of God and the words of God that SAVE a man's soul from Hell.

Same words that saved this poor man when he was 23 and living in darkness an dsin.

 

[MonoBiblical]

JESUS said there is no greater LOVE then to lay down one's life for another

In my post to you are only the LOVE of God and the words of God that SAVE a man's soul from Hell.

Same words that saved this poor man when he was 23 and living in darkness an dsin.

You haven't died yet, but you claim you are saved. That is questionable.

 

[David in NJ]

You haven't died yet, but you claimed to be saved. That is questionable.

Salvation is a GIFT from the only True God
It is the FATHER who sent His only Begotten SON that i may have Eternal Life

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Don't wait another day - run to the Lord Jesus Christ who loves you more then you know - trust His Love it is the FATHER's Will

 

[Brakelite]

The first line in the Gospel of John and through his entire Gospel.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Fair enough. But John didn't quote that until he was in his 80s or 90s... did he believe Jesus was pre-existent before the incarnation during the time Jesus was walking with them? I'm not so sure.
Peter certainly wasn't converted until after Jesus spoke with him after the resurrection.

 

[David in NJ]

Fair enough. But John didn't quote that until he was in his 80s or 90s... did he believe Jesus was pre-existent before the incarnation during the time Jesus was walking with them? I'm not so sure.

Does it matter? - Nope
Does it change anything? - NOPE

Did you or I know that the Word was God? - NOPE
Do we know now? - YES

What matters today? - "Today if you hear His Voice harden not your hearts"
What is "hearing His Voice"? = Believing the words of God = JESUS the Word that was God in the Beginning

 

[MonoBiblical]

Salvation is a GIFT from the only True God
It is the FATHER who sent His only Begotten SON that i may have Eternal Life

You are confusing miracles with eternal life.

 

[Brakelite]

Believing the words of God = JESUS the Word that was God in the Beginning

And you would be equally correct in saying...
Believing the words of God=Jesus the Word that was the only begotten Son of God from the beginning.

 

[Brakelite]

You haven't died yet, but you claim you are saved. That is questionable.

There are more than one way to die.

 

[Brakelite]

Prayer solves nothing and your passages don't quote the harsh law of Christ; a part being considerate to thy enemies.

The laws of God aren't harsh. They are perfectly reasonable. The are holy, just, and good. The problem, is that we aren't holy just, or good. But we can be, even in this life, if we surrender to the holy Spirit and allow Him to work in us the good pleasure of the will of God. It's up to us. Do we want what God has for us, or do we want only our own selfish worldly pleasures, and to love them more than we love God. God won't do anything for us we don't want. He doesn't save us against our will. We won't be in heaven moaning and groaning because we don't want to be there. If we don't enjoy the things of God now: if loving mercy and walking humbly before our God is something we would rather avoid, then heaven isn't for us. That isn't harsh. That's merely securing the universe from any future possibility of another catastrophic fall into wickedness. That isn't harsh. That's lovingly protecting heaven and its inhabitants from the pain and suffering we are currently enduring. By requiring perfect obedience, God is saying, never again.

 

[Davy]

What did Paul really mean when he said Melchizedek had not "beginning of days"? Was Melchizedek literally fatherless and motherless?

Yes, Paul MEANT THAT LITERALLY about Jesus as Melchizedek, that He was without father and mother.

Why do you think Jesus referred to Himself as the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1, which means 'The First, and The Last', a Name that The Father used for Himself in The Old Testament? (See Rev.1:8; Isaiah 41:4; Isaiah 44:6).

Heb 7:3
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
KJV

That above is meant literally, and nothing can change it. Nor what is revealed below that Hebrews 7 is speaking of Lord Jesus Christ as that Melchisedec...


Heb 7:13-14
13 For He of Whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

Oh how the shallow fail to read enough of God's Word to actually understand it!

The above is proof in Hebrews 7 that Lord Jesus Christ is the SUBJECT about Melchisedec Who met Abraham and offered Abraham "bread and wine"!

 

[MonoBiblical]

There are more than one way to die.

Unbiblically ECT is a way of dying.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The laws of God aren't harsh. They are perfectly reasonable. The are holy, just, and good. The problem, is that we aren't holy just, or good. But we can be, even in this life, if we surrender to the holy Spirit and allow Him to work in us the good pleasure of the will of God. It's up to us. Do we want what God has for us, or do we want only our own selfish worldly pleasures, and to love them more than we love God. God won't do anything for us we don't want. He doesn't save us against our will. We won't be in heaven moaning and groaning because we don't want to be there. If we don't enjoy the things of God now: if loving mercy and walking humbly before our God is something we would rather avoid, then heaven isn't for us. That isn't harsh. That's merely securing the universe from any future possibility of another catastrophic fall into wickedness. That isn't harsh. That's lovingly protecting heaven and its inhabitants from the pain and suffering we are currently enduring. By requiring perfect obedience, God is saying, never again.

Doing good to those who persecute you, when God is a deist, [can] get one sucker punched. The old covenant works better now.

 

[ElieG12]

Yes, Paul MEANT THAT LITERALLY about Jesus as Melchizedek, that He was without father and mother...

No, Paul was not like that. Paul discusses a priesthood "not in the manner of Aaron," suggesting that the individual mentioned might have been another person outside of that lineage, not levitical (which didn't exist at that time), like Heb. 7 explains.

Paul clearly knew that although the Scriptures don't mention Melchizedek's ancestry, he wasn't an extraterrestrial, as you appear to believe, but simply a different type of priest serving the Most High God, yet not from the tribe of Levi.

Heb. 7:11 If, then, perfection was attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for it was a feature of the Law that was given to the people), what further need would there be for another priest to arise who is said to be in the manner of Melchizedek and not in the manner of Aaron? 12 For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well. 13 For the man about whom these things are said came from another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord has descended from Judah, yet Moses said nothing about priests coming from that tribe.
15 And this becomes even clearer when another priest arises who is like Melchizedek, 16 who has become such, not by the legal requirement that depends on fleshly descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is said in witness of him:
“You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.”
18 So, then, the former commandment is set aside because it is weak and ineffective. 19 For the Law made nothing perfect, but the introduction of a better hope did, through which we are drawing near to God. 20 Also, inasmuch as this was not done without an oath being sworn 21 (for, indeed, there are men who have become priests without a sworn oath, but this one has become so through an oath sworn respecting him by the One who said:
“Jehovah has sworn, and he will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever’”) [Psa. 110:4],
22 Jesus has accordingly become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 Furthermore, many had to become priests in succession because death prevented them from continuing as such, 24 but because he continues alive forever, his priesthood has no successors. 25 So he is able also to save completely those who are approaching God through him, because he is always alive to plead for them.
26 For it is fitting for us to have such a high priest who is loyal, innocent, undefiled, separated from the sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike those high priests, he does not need to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, because he did this once for all time when he offered himself up. 28 For the Law appoints as high priests men who have weaknesses, but the word of the oath sworn after the Law appoints a Son, who has been made perfect forever.

 

[MonoBiblical]

@ElieG12 It helps to note the priesthood of Levites were really physicians in an ancient sense.

 

[ScottA]

I don't know what you're trying to express, but I do know it has nothing to do with what I just asked according to what the Scripture I quoted is saying:

The question is: Who is THE MAJESTY in heaven, next to whom Jesus is?

No, on the contrary, it has everything to do with what you asked; and no, you do not know what you think you know. Which is not to single you out, but rather is and has been the case for us all (except for His servants the prophets)--until now.

Bluntly then: This would-be worldly reality, is not reality at all but a mere "image." Meaning God the Father and God the Son are One, and the Son, like us and all of this world is a mere "image." Therefore, the God of the Son is the same One God, and is the same God that we also look to and are to follow the words of displayed by the "image" created in Christ, which is of no actual reality other than the "image" created in us all--all who were created out of nothing, but made manifest, that by the "image" which we were formerly blind to, might come unto salvation.

All of which means, that all who are born of flesh and blood (including Christ) were and are nothing but that mere "image" of creation, until we are born again of the spirit of God. The end result of which is "all in all in God."

The "image" is no god.

 

[Behold]

. Then if one is to believe in the NT they also need to know and understand scripture,

What you are trying to explain.. .= 2 verses by Paul.

one is.. "study to show yourself approved unto God"....

And what this will produce, is a spiritual capacity to perform Paul's other verse...( if you do that first with the NT most of all) which is.. = Paul's other verse = "rightly divide".

Now if you believe that The Pre-incarnate Word who was ""(God)manifested in the Flesh"", whom Thomas said is "God"... and John Said "created the world"...is not defining the understanding of The Trinity Doctrine... then you'll need something other then a NT to try to prove it. @APAK

As if you try to use verses to contradict "Let US .. make man.. in OUR Image"... as IF that is not talking about 2/3rds of the Trinity.. then you are absolutely not able to "rightly divide" the word of God.

A person has to be willfully close minded to read ......"us and our" ...and ""Jesus is the WORD"".. ....and ""The WORD was God"",.... and then read that Jesus..."Created the World"........to then say......>>"nah, that ain't it." 'you aint got no schoolin".."Ur xEgeesis is faltered.... Now....let me show you all my commentaries.. as they... gots da trooth in dim".

Uh Huh.
Right.