Some believers don't think Jesus was a spirit person next to God before being born as a human being. Nevertheless the Scriptures record many sayings of Jesus himself that indicate that this is the case. Some of them are registered by the inspired John in his gospel:
John 1:1-3, 14,15, 18;
3:13, 31;
6:33, 38, 62;
8:23,24, 57-59;
17:1, 5.
How can we deduce with certainty out of these sayings of Jesus that he came from the spirit word?
In John 1:1-3 is not Jesus who talks, but John, surely from things he learned directly from his Lord. He's saying that before being a human, Jesus was another person with God himself in heaven.
John 1:1 Originally was the Word, And the Word was with God; And the Word was God. 2 The same was originally with God.
3 All things through him came into existence, And without him came into existence not even one thing: That which hath come into existence 4 in him was life (...). (The Emphasized Bible)
John says, like many other inspired writers in the NT, that Jesus was the mean by which the other things of the Universe were created. Obviously, if Jesus was next to God at the beginning of the Universe, even if this does not indicate anything about since when he was with God, it surely indicates he was already existing. That is what Jesus meant with his words in John 8:58.
If Jesus had not been a person separated from God and used as an instrument for the creation of the rest of the things that came into existence in the created Universe, the fact that someone was accompanying God at that initial moment would not even have been mentioned, but all mention would have been only about God himself without anyone with Him, since He is the original source of existence and life itself. Even Jesus consider God the reason of his existence:
John 6:57 (...) the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father (...) (ASV)
In addition, it is obvious that John is talking about Jesus, because in the context he continues with his exposition ... John says the Logos (Jesus) had been that spirit next to God until he became flesh and was rejected by the majority of the Jewish people (John, Chapter 1)... a people that, when he had been in heaven before, he had protected and fought for them in Jehovah's name.
Exo. 23:20 “I am sending my Angel before you to guard you on the way and bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Beware of offending him; obey him. Do not be disobedient, because he will not pardon your offenses, because my name is in him. 22 For if you obey him and do everything that I say, I will be enemy to your enemies and will assail those who assail you, 23 because my Angel will go before you (...) " . (The Emphasized Bible)
In the beginning Christ was with God, just as God was in the beginning, so was Christ known as the WORD
The beginning being referenced is the creation, our world, the universe and all the angels, people, animals, plants, all of it was made, but they are uncreated God, enduring forever. What was there before the beginning!
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The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
They are, were, and will be without ending or beginning, which is amazing because with our minds it is beyond our reasoning. We like to think something has a beginning and ending, But God exists before what we think of as the beginning and exists after what we think of as the ending. God as creator said let 'us' make....and God made the beginning and the ending of the creation, and God endures forever without beginning or ending. Truly amazing.
Christ on a White Horse
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him
was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes
were like a flame of fire, and on His head
were many crowns. He [
e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13
He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [
f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [
g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on
His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
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We get a new earth and a new heavens, so there is a new creation after this one is destroyed
Which God says will endure before ME. so that one to come will exist in the eternal state as will His people have everlasting life, they shall remain with God forever.
Isaiah 66
“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
Hebrews 1
8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [
f]scepter of righteousness
is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
