THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Heart2Soul]

If you read my response, I addressed what you posted…..

You said….

“The body of Christ, all functioning separately but as one. This suggests to me that we are one in "spirit".
And in the same way are Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Functioning separately as one.
When the disciples asked Jesus when the end would come and He would return again He said only the Father knows...not even did He know when that day would come. So this suggests they are separate in knowing all things. Only the Father knows when that day will come. Only the Father is called Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscience....only Jesus is called the Lamb of God, Savior, and Lion of Judah. Only the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth, manifests the Gifts of the Spirit, and bears the Fruit of the Spirit.
Each are identified separately yet all three are unified as one.”

I answered your statements one at a time….as you wrote them. You said “we” which includes some members here but certainly not others.
Calling yourself a Christian doesn’t make you one….any more than calling yourself a doctor makes you a physician.

We cannot declare something that is based on suggestion, to be gospel truth.

The unity of Father, son and Holy Spirit, is not a three in one godhead….nowhere does the Bible say that these three are one God. They are unified in purpose, but not three separate beings who operate individually and independently in different locations.
Assumptions are not facts…only clear declarations can be presented as fact.

They are identified separately because they are spoken about separately in scripture…..but never as one singular entity. Someone ‘married’ them….but it wasn’t God, or Christ, or the holy spirit….it was an apostate church, hundreds of years after Christ died.

Respond however you want to this post, I am not able to have a discussion when you don't understand my contribution to the thread and keep taking it out of context, even replying I am saying something I never said. . I am a moderator and the rules state that this forum is a Trinity believing forum. That means it's probably something that would be considered before asking a member to be a mod. Just saying...

 

[Heart2Soul]

I do believe that. But the question is, what does it mean for the Son to be "begotten" by (or of) God.

God's seed is in Him

 

[David in NJ]

God's seed is in Him

What is God's seed?

Please do not say Christ - please post scripture for your standpoint - Thank You

i will also explain why i said: "Please do not say Christ"

 

[Heart2Soul]

There are three deities and their name is not God, they are Gods. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Count em up!

Isn't God like a recognition of rank and His name is YHWH, EL SHADDAI, ADONAI
and it continues because he has a lot of names. Anyway, my understanding is God is what and who He is, YHWH is His name.

 

[Heart2Soul]

What is God's seed?

Please do not say Christ - please post scripture for your standpoint - Thank You

i will also explain why i said: "Please do not say Christ"

Jesus is the only son that God created. God set His DNA in his genetic makeup. And no there was no intercourse, otherwise Mary wouldn't be a Virgin. If you remember scripture...the Spirit of God overshadowed her...Luke 1 (KJV)
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³⁰ And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
³¹ And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
³² He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
³³ And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
³⁴ Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
³⁵ And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

PURE TRUTH = Can you count to 3 ??? as in this Passage of TRUTH - Acts 4:8-12

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

I’m not sure Jesus ever taught us to count 3 “gods” in one “head”….he never mentioned the trinity or even hinted at the fact that there was any other God (ho theos) but his Father.
The apostles however knew the difference. (1 Cor 8:5-6) If we do not “know” the God who sent Jesus, (John 17:3) we will not gain everlasting life, but will be part of those to whom Jesus says…”I never knew you” (Matt 7:21-23) These ones will be the last to know…..

If “few” are on the road to life, then the “many” are traveling the wrong road, (Matt 7:13-14) directed there by the greatest liar in existence.

You read scripture through your indoctrinated trinitarian lens, but what you assume to be true, is really not there except by inference.
The account you posted there is devoid of any trinitarian overtones that appear in the lens you are using.

The Holy Spirit “fills” people…are they then possessed? It was by means of the power bestowed on Christ and his apostles that miracles could take place. Jesus received the Holy Spirit at his baptism, which means that before then Jesus was just like any other human, though sinless.…he was never a God/man.

Whilst Jesus was with them, the apostles could perform miracles “in Jesus’ name” or by the authority he bestowed on them from his Father.

At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was poured out on them too….among 120 disciples who all received power from their anointing with God’s spirit.

Jesus did not know things his Father knew….on the night before his death, he asked that God’s will be done instead of his own will….this is clearly not one entity in two or three different manifestations which can converse with one another and be in different locations at the same time. One part of God prays to his equal self whilst the other is missing from the group about 80% of the time.

Your trinity is absent from anything Jesus taught, but you cannot see what is clear to those of us who reject it as a devil inspired blasphemy.…a clear breach of the first Commandment…putting three “gods” in the Father’s place. (Exodus 20:3)

No one can tell us what to believe…..so we have no one to blame but ourselves if we are not open to the truth. We are all free willed…..it’s a blessing, but can also be a curse in the wrong hands.

 

[RLT63]

I disagree with a lot of posters here….but, how many disagreed with Jesus?…..and disagreed enough to want to kill him. The religious leaders painted him as a fake Messiah who got his power from the devil.

Satan is not ever going to let Christ’s true disciples be identified as genuine Christians…..he will present them as heretics.…dissenting trouble makers…..which is why Jesus said in Matt 5:11-12….
”Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. 12 Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you.”

History repeats…..if “few” are on the road to life, (Matt 7:13-14) then mainstream Christendom is not even in the race…..completely travelling a different road, teaching all manner of things that Jesus never did.

I looked up John 1:1 in the Greek and both words for God are Theos.
It doesn't say Ho Theos


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[David in NJ]

Jesus is the only son that God created. God set His DNA in his genetic makeup. And no there was no intercourse, otherwise Mary wouldn't be a Virgin. If you remember scripture...the Spirit of God overshadowed her...Luke 1 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
³⁰ And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
³¹ And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
³² He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
³³ And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
³⁴ Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
³⁵ And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Excellent Post except for one thing.......unless......

Jesus is the only son that God created.

The Word was never created.
the Apostle John knew this and this is how he wrote his Gospel beginning with "In the beginning was the Word....the Word was God"

Now if you mean that the physical body was created for the Word to dwell in then you are speaking Pure TRUTH - Hebrews 10:5

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

 

[MonoBiblical]

I looked up John 1 in the Greek and both words for God are Theos.
It doesn't say Ho Theos


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"...and the God it was."

 

[MonoBiblical]

I looked up John 1 in the Greek and both words for God are Theos.
It doesn't say Ho Theos


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One more thing. Yes, it does there. ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν

 

[David in NJ]

I’m not sure Jesus ever taught us to count 3 “gods” in one “head”….he never mentioned the trinity or even hinted at the fact that there was any other God (ho theos) but his Father.
The apostles however knew the difference. (1 Cor 8:5-6) If we do not “know” the God who sent Jesus, (John 17:3) we will not gain everlasting life, but will be part of those to whom says…”I never knew you” (Matt 7:21-23) These ones will be the last to know…..

If “few” are on the road to life, then the “many” are traveling the wrong road, (Matt 7:13-14) directed there by the greatest liar in existence.

You read scripture through your indoctrinated trinitarian lens, but what you assume to be true, is really not there except by inference.
The account you posted there is devoid of any trinitarian overtones that appear in the lens you are using.

The Holy Spirit “fills” people…are they then possessed? It was by means of the power bestowed on Christ and his apostles that miracles could take place. Jesus received the Holy Spirit at his baptism, which means that before then Jesus was just like any other human, though sinless.…he was never a God/man.

Whilst Jesus was with them, the apostles could perform miracles “in Jesus’ name” or by the authority he bestowed on them from his Father.

At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was poured out on them too….among 120 disciples who all received power from their anointing with God’s spirit.

Jesus did not know things his Father knew….on the night before his death, he asked that God’s will be done instead of his own will….this is clearly not one entity in two or three different manifestations which can converse with one another and be in different locations at the same time. One part of God prays to his equal self whilst the other is missing from the group about 80% of the time.

Your trinity is absent from anything Jesus taught, but you cannot see what is clear to those of us who reject it as a devil inspired blasphemy.…a clear breach of the first Commandment…putting three “gods” in the Father’s place. (Exodus 20:3)

No one can tell us what to believe…..so we have no one to blame but ourselves if we are not open to the truth. We are all free willed…..it’s a blessing, but can also be a curse in the wrong hands.

he never mentioned the trinity or even hinted at the fact that there was any other God (ho theos) but his Father.

CORRECT - there is only One God

One God is Echad Elohim which is FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT = The Echad Elohim of Genesis and Exodus chapter 3

When the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, the Word that was God became JESUS the only Begotten SON of God

Something you nor i nor anyone can understand is that the Word never changed His SPIRIT which is the SAME Eternal Being as His FATHER

 

[Heart2Soul]

@David in NJ , consider Adam and Eve. They are only "created" man and woman. Everyone else was conceived and born from the mothers womb. How did God create Adam and Eve? He spoke to their existence...saying "let us create man in our image, male and female created He them.
So it almost solidifies the fact that Jesus is the only begotten based on God's actions with Adam and Eve and His action with Jesus.

 

[JLB]

In this context the term "God" indicates authority, not ontology. The son is God, not because he is made of "God-Stuff"; he is God because he has been appointed to sit the father's right hand (authority).

The context is the Father speaking to the Son.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son, YHWH the LORD God created the heavens and the earth.


Who comes on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) ; the Son or the Father?


For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 5:2


Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1-5


Who is coming on the Day of the LORD (YHWH) with the saints; the Father or the Son?


Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, Jude 1:14



Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2


The Day of the LORD (YHWH) is the the Day of Christ.


The LORD Jesus Christ is YHWH the LORD God.

 

[RLT63]

One more thing. Yes, it does there. ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν

I can't read Greek I have to rely on the translation and they both say Theos

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ , consider Adam and Eve. They are only "created" man and woman. Everyone else was conceived and born from the mothers womb. How did God create Adam and Eve? He spoke to their existence...saying "let us create man in our image, male and female created He them.
So it almost solidifies the fact that Jesus is the only begotten based on God's actions with Adam and Eve and His action with Jesus.

LOVE Genesis - Check

So you are referring ONLY to the physical "body that was prepared(Heb 10:5)" inside Mary - Yes or No???

 

[Heart2Soul]

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices

Excellent Post except for one thing.......unless......


The Word was never created.
the Apostle John knew this and this is how he wrote his Gospel beginning with "In the beginning was the Word....the Word was God"

Now if you mean that the physical body was created for the Word to dwell in then you are speaking Pure TRUTH - Hebrews 10:5

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Yes I am speaking of Jesus born in the flesh.

 

[David in NJ]

I can't read Greek I have to rely on the translation and they both say Theos

Better then reading the Greek is having the Author of the Scriptures reveal the TRUTH to you.
Afterall, HE was THERE = from the Beginning

Genesis is the KEY = God knows what HE is doing and never let the doubters creep into your head and temp you to doubt your FATHER's Word.

 

[Heart2Soul]

LOVE Genesis - Check

So you are referring ONLY to the physical "body that was prepared(Heb 10:5)" inside Mary - Yes or No???

Yes

 

[David in NJ]

i just want to press you a little more since/because you are mature enough

Did the FATHER create a soul and spirit that became the man Jesus or just the body???

 

[David in NJ]

Yes

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