THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

Post the verse that says Jesus was born of God's seed

He (Abraham) saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of One, And to thy (God's One) Seed, Which IS Christ.” (Gal. 3:16). Abraham was of the lineage through which God's “Seed” (Jesus) would come, and by whose cross and shed blood all believing mankind may be “reconciled” to God.


Now you tell me how Mary came with child if it wasn’t Gods seed that penetrated her womb.

How did she become pregnant by God?

Did the whole Of almighty God grow in her womb?

Can you see how ridiculous that sounds?

How do we become Born Again?

 

[Brakelite]

He (Abraham) saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of One, And to thy (God's One) Seed, Which IS Christ.” (Gal. 3:16). Abraham was of the lineage through which God's “Seed” (Jesus) would come, and by whose cross and shed blood all believing mankind may be “reconciled” to God.


Now you tell me how Mary came with child if it wasn’t Gods seed that penetrated her womb.

How did she become pregnant by God?

Did the whole Of almighty God grow in her womb?

Can you see how ridiculous that sounds?

How do we become Born Again?

The Son of God is the seed.

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ”
Genesis 3:15 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
That seed grew into a vine, and we are the branches. As you quoted...
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. ”
Galatians 3:16 KJV

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Bethlehem however was not the beginning of the person of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Son of God is the seed.

God planted the seed into Mary womb..the seed grew as Jesus, Gods Spirit Son.

God led him via his Spirit..Jesus was in complete harmony with his Father’s Spirit/ voice.

We too should become in harmony with the Spirit...we rely on him to speak Gods truth through us.

Of course we still have that old man of pride and ego who pops up from time to time..he gets less though ,as we mature in Christ.

We’re in the new man..yet that old man gets less and less as we surrender our will over to God, let him rule in our hearts,,.

 

[Grailhunter]

Since there seems to be a lot of people on this form I am going to issue a dire warning! If you develop a condition that is extremely painful or need major surgery, it best to get medial care outside of the United States because the US medical system does not prescribe the appropriate pain medications and the insurance companies will not pay for it.

No matter how much agony you are in they will watch as you scream your head off in agony and they will leave the room and shut the door. You do not want to watch loved ones and even children in agony in a medical system that will not treat them appropriately. Hospital stays now a days are generally short, even for major surgeries and they will send you home in agony.

Why do they do this? Strong pain medications like morphine, demerol, oxycodone can be habit forming if taken for a long time, and doctors do not want to take the risk of being sued over it and like I said insurance companies will not pay for it. As it is right now there is no alternative for sever pain. And it is a horrible sight to see. You can go to hospitals or nursing homes and you are likely to hear adults and children and elderly screaming in agony. It is like being in the dark ages!

Now I went through this and was in agony for 2 months. So much pain that I could not sleep or eat, passed out 4 times from the pain and sent to the hospital by ambulance for no help. Fortunitly now my pain level is much less and do not need the strong pain medication nor want them.

Don’t believe me! Please check with your local hospital and doctors to see what they will give you for sever pain. And check with your insurance about strong pain medications. You do not want to go through it nor watch loved ones scream in agony in a medical system that is inept.

My son and daughter are in the medical system and I hear about it all the time. People are committing suicide all the time over it. All I am asking is check with your local hospital and doctors and see for yourself.

If possible it better to go to a Canadian hospital. Here are some suggestions…. Saskatoon City Hospital in Saskatchewan, Lamont Health Care Center in Alberta, Mineral Springs Hospital in Banff and UHN's Toronto Western hospital.

 

[Scott Downey]

More seed verses

The seed of the woman is capitalized
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

Genesis 3
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:

“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
16 To the woman He said:

“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be [a]for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
*******************************************************
Christ born of the seed of David according to the flesh, and declared to be the Son of God
God born as a child to rule the nations, and everything else He made.

Romans 1
Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who [a]was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

Since there seems to be a lot of people on this form I am going to issue a dire warning! If you develop a condition that is extremely painful or need major surgery, it best to get medial care outside of the United States because the US medical system does not prescribe the appropriate pain medications and the insurance companies will not pay for it.

No matter how much agony you are in they will watch as you scream your head off in agony and they will leave the room and shut the door. You do not want to watch loved one and even children in agony in a medical system that will not treat them appropriately. Hospital stays now a day are generally short, even for major surgeries and they will send you home in agony.

Why do they do this? Strong pain medications like morphine, demerol, oxycodone can be habit forming if taken for a long time, and doctors do not want to take the risk of being sued over it and like I said insurance companies will not pay for it. As it is right now there is no alternative for sever pain. And it is a horrible sight to see. You can go to hospitals or nursing homes and you are likely to hear adults and children and elderly screaming in agony. It is like being in the dark ages!

Now I went through this and was agony for 2 months. So much pain that I could not sleep or eat, passed out 4 times from the pain and sent to the hospital by ambulance for no help. Fortunitly now my pain level is much less and do not need the strong pain medication nor want them.

Don’t believe me! Please check with your local hospital and doctors to see what they will give you for sever pain. And check with your insurance about strong pain medications. You do not want to go through it nor watch loved ones scream in agony in a medical system that is inept.

My son and daughter are in the medical system and I hear about it all the time. People are committing suicide all the time over it. All I am asking is check with your local hospital and doctors and see for yourself.

If possible it better to go to a Canadian hospital. Here are some suggestions…. Saskatoon City Hospital in Saskatchewan, Lamont Health Care Center in Alberta, Mineral Springs Hospital in Banff and UHN's Toronto Western hospital.

Sorry to hear you suffered in pain that way.

 

[RLT63]

He (Abraham) saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of One, And to thy (God's One) Seed, Which IS Christ.” (Gal. 3:16). Abraham was of the lineage through which God's “Seed” (Jesus) would come, and by whose cross and shed blood all believing mankind may be “reconciled” to God.


Now you tell me how Mary came with child if it wasn’t Gods seed that penetrated her womb.

How did she become pregnant by God?

Did the whole Of almighty God grow in her womb?

Can you see how ridiculous that sounds?

How do we become Born Again?

Was that God's seed or Abraham's seed?

 

[Ritajanice]

Was that God's seed or Abraham's seed?

Abraham is not the seed that penetrated Mary womb ,was it?
You answer my questions for a change.i answer all of yours.you never answer any of mine.

Whose seed are we Born Again of Abraham’s seed or Gods seed?

By whose living witness are we Born Again of?

Did Abraham’s seed birth your spirit?

Seed of God is spiritual is it not?

I hope you understand that the seed of God is a Living seed, he ain’t the Bible you know.

Whose Alive and Active in our spirit?

 

[JLB]

You believe this is an accurate translation?

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17 KJV


For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Colossians 1:16-17 NASB


For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17 NKJV

 

[JLB]

For example….Honor your father and mother and then Christ said you have to hate your mother and father to be a disciple. Well I am going to go with that there is something more to the story and go with honor your father and mother.

Do you believe Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH the LORD God?

 

[Grailhunter]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word was with God, because Jesus was predestined / chosen by God to come forth out of his mouth a seed, a Living seed, that seed was Jesus...

The word was God in the flesh, his word came down as a seed and grew in Mary’s womb..Jesus proclaimed the word of God...the word ( God) spoke through Jesus...

He was Born Of God’s seed...Jesus that was..anyway I’m asking the Lord to keep my mind open and wait on him for more spiritual understanding on the matter.

Just some information about the concept of the Word....in Greek....the Logos.
The concept started with the Greeks in the 6th century Greeks as more or less and universal knowledge as in the universe has knowledge.

Logos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CadyandZoe]

Humans are created.
Jesus was not created.

I believe Jesus was born to a virgin.

Jesus is God.

Isa 9
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 14
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

The Father and the Son are different people. Jesus told Phillip, "If you have seen me, you have seen the father." The point is, Jesus images the Father, even while being a human being, which means that Jesus' depiction of the Father is representational, not ontological. Jesus is God, not because he is made of "God-Stuff"; he is God because he is the one, unique human being who represents God to us. He is God among us.

Heb 13
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

For Jesus, "yesterday" began the day he was born. Paul is saying that Jesus will always be faithful to the Father, always keep his promises, and will always do the father's will.

Rev 13
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The phrase "from the foundation of the world" indicates that God aimed to slay his son for our benefit even before the world came into existence. It doesn't mean that Jesus existed at that time.

I know you don't forget verses like those below, but others do.

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, for whom also He made the ages.

Paul believed in "teleological history," meaning that every historical event has a purpose. History itself has a purpose. The world and time were created to glorify God through his son, Jesus Christ.

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

At the perfect time, God sent His Son into the world to save it, to enlighten it, and to serve as the Father's representative, His image, and His likeness.

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you believe Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH the LORD God?

First off the word God is erroneous. God is a loose term for a divine position, not a proper name. The Hebrew word for God means God, and false gods and goddesses. That is why the Hebrews/Israelites very seldom used God in the original scriptures to refer to Yahweh.

If you are looking for a difference between Yahweh and Yeshua as in a Gods are they different….At times the Apostles referred to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord….But what does that mean? At times the New Testament portrays Yeshua as the Creator God but in the Old Testament Yahweh said not only was He the only God but there was no one like Him.

For me that means that Yahweh is not a liar and whatever is said in the New Testament about Yeshua being the Creator God there has to be more to the story. That does not diminish that Yeshua is a God.

But the scriptures do not get into this in detail. Christ did say that the Father is greater than He and Yahweh never prayed to Yeshua or asked Him questions, then others try to promote Yeshua as God Almighty.

Is there a difference between Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit?....we can speculate but I am just going to call them “Gods” in unity….the Trinity…Tri-unity….not Triune....Tri-one.

I believe that Yahweh is senior to Yeshua and the Holy Spirit and I believe that there is a part of Yahweh in every atom. Where as Yeshua is the Son of God, a full fledged God and the Holy Spirit is an undefined, unnamed God but no more a spirit than Yahweh or Yeshua with the role as guide and faith and strengthener and nurturer that communicate directly to us. Again….speculation

 

[Wrangler]

The Word is Jesus. Jesus is the Word

Eisegesis. Jesus is a man not a word.

 

[Wrangler]

f God begets a child, what kind of species/ type/ form do you expect?

We are not taking about forms of heavenly beings, Elohim. We are talking about the Supreme Being named YHWH.

You don't even know who God is, which Jesus said in John 17:1-3 is the way to eternal life. Very sad.

 

[Wrangler]

For by him

Not an answer to my question.

Colossians 1:16-17
New Living Translation
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.

English Standard Version
16 For by[a] him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

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Footnotes

Colossians 1:16 That is, by means of; or in

Complete Jewish Bible
16 because in connection with him were created all things — in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, lordships, rulers or authorities — they have all been created through him and for him. 17 He existed before all things, and he holds everything together.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm still waiting for trinitarians to take up the challenge in post #146. Where does Scripture say it is important to believe the Trinity?

 

[Wrangler]

It says they are AS one...meaning they are all on the same page.

Agreed. Because there is no actual trinity verse in Scripture, they must rely on eisegesis; pretend this expression, still in use today to mean people are on the same page, is some kind of mystical reality.

 

[Scott Downey]

I believe Jesus was born to a virgin.

The Father and the Son are different people. Jesus told Phillip, "If you have seen me, you have seen the father." The point is, Jesus images the Father, even while being a human being, which means that Jesus' depiction of the Father is representational, not ontological. Jesus is God, not because he is made of "God-Stuff"; he is God because he is the one, unique human being who represents God to us. He is God among us.

For Jesus, "yesterday" began the day he was born. Paul is saying that Jesus will always be faithful to the Father, always keep his promises, and will always do the father's will.

The phrase "from the foundation of the world" indicates that God aimed to slay his son for our benefit even before the world came into existence. It doesn't mean that Jesus existed at that time.

I know you don't forget verses like those below, but others do.

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, for whom also He made the ages.

Paul believed in "teleological history," meaning that every historical event has a purpose. History itself has a purpose. The world and time were created to glorify God through his son, Jesus Christ.

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

At the perfect time, God sent His Son into the world to save it, to enlighten it, and to serve as the Father's representative, His image, and His likeness.

I see, so do you believe the Son then was preexistent with the Father at the creation and was the Creator with the Father?
Even if not called Jesus at the beginning?

Matthew 1:21
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Matthew 1:23
“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

 

[RLT63]

Eisegesis. Jesus is a man not a word.

You can't get around John chapter 1