As scripture says..the word became flesh, he took on human form as in Jesus.. does that make Jesus fully God?
His seed came down and impregnated Mary @RLT63
Therefore how can Jesus be fully God.?
The word is God..
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His seed came down and impregnated Mary @RLT63
Therefore how can Jesus be fully God.?
The word is God..
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Jhn 1:1 - In the beginning was-the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
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Here is my testimony on how I became Born Of The Spirit @Aunty Jane .
It was addressed to Heart and soul, that’s why she’s in the discussion.
I copied and pasted it..
Born of God...His seed remains in us, a Living seed, the Holy Spirit...we are Alive in the Spirit..our spirit is Alive in Christ..in Jesus Name, Amen.
The Spirit is like the wind as in you can’t see the Spirit.
Plus we never know the time or place he will birth our spirit into his..mind Blowing when he birthed my spirit into his..Spirit gives birth to spirit =by supernatural divine heart revelation as we see in the scripture below.
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It was addressed to Heart and soul, that’s why she’s in the discussion.
I copied and pasted it..
Agreed @Heart2Soul we must have that vital ingredient residing permanently in our spirit, his name is the Holy Spirit..only he can testify of Jesus to our spirit.
Born of God...His seed remains in us, a Living seed, the Holy Spirit...we are Alive in the Spirit..our spirit is Alive in Christ..in Jesus Name, Amen.
I was Born Again as Jesus explained to Nicodemous, then as the Spirit was indwelling my spirit, he testified with my spirit that I was God’s child ,.he spoke to my spirit.,but not in an audible voice.
The Spirit is like the wind as in you can’t see the Spirit.
Plus we never know the time or place he will birth our spirit into his..mind Blowing when he birthed my spirit into his..Spirit gives birth to spirit =by supernatural divine heart revelation as we see in the scripture below.
John 3
King James Version
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Those verses are not saying that Jesus was fully God, because he was Born from God’s seed..Jhn 1:1 - In the beginning was-the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of-the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Jhn 1:15 - John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me
Jesus could not fully be God...there is only one God His Name is Father God...we are to only worship him.
.we thank him, as he did his Father’s will while on earth...the more I think about your understanding of Jesus the more bizarre it becomes.
We worship the Lord through Jesus...is there any scripture that specifically says that we are to worship JESUS
Wrangler
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No. I would say that words are attributes of a person. A word is no more a person than a hand, a will, a spirit to overcome, etc. Scripture says Jesus is the son of God, not the son of the word. God's words are no more another person than our words are another person. The POTUS's press secretary is not the POTUS, even though they speak on his behalf.
I laugh when people claim Jesus is the literal word of God. If this is true, who spoke in Luke 9:35? Then a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, my Chosen One. Listen to him.” The idea that an all powerful God lacks the power to speak himself directly is absurd. Rather, the expression OF God is always proof that Jesus is not God. But this title, "Word of God," is not literally so. It is figurative, only so in fulfillment of the prophecy Deuteronomy 18:15-18.
15 Moses continued, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you yourselves requested of the LORD your God when you were assembled at Mount Sinai.[a] You said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die.’
17 “Then the LORD said to me, ‘What they have said is right. 18 I will raise up a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command him.
And why was this prophecy made? What is the context of Deuteronomy 18? Where did they request a Press Secretary? Exodus 20:18-19
18 When the people heard the thunder and the loud blast of the ram’s horn, and when they saw the flashes of lightning and the smoke billowing from the mountain, they stood at a distance, trembling with fear.
19 And they said to Moses, “You speak to us, and we will listen. But don’t let God speak directly to us, or we will die!”
The Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book of the Bible. Chapter 12:49 explains why Jesus said I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. How could Jesus more clearly say he is effectively God's Press Secretary? God does not speak on other people's authority.
Getting back to authority, the words of an authoritative source have authority. But that does not make the words their own source. Have you ever asked yourself how could a thing BE something and WITH something at the same time (besides the trinitarian invention of dualism)? A simple play on words. The Bill is with my friend Bill. (Notice the confusing use of capitalization?) Have you ever read the definition of god? Like many words, there are different senses to it.
I hope I answered your question.
Wrangler
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No. Verses 14 and 15 confirms Jesus is the prophet Moses told them about, where God's words would be put in the mouth of one of the people he choose. See v 45.
Wrangler
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Well, "father" is a relationship not a name. His name is YHWH. See Ex 3:15 and Joel 2:27
I am Yahweh your God,
and there is no other
Ok ,well I believe that God is the word as the word was there in the beginning , the word God sent forth out of his mouth a seed, that seed which was a Living seed..impregnated Mary womb, where it started to grow...that’s my understanding of it at the moment..my mind is 100% open to change...but, only by the power of the Holy Spirit..not anyone’s opinion that comes from man/ woman.
Whose name is above all names?
Father is a relationship?
What does that mean, what type of relationship did Jesus have with his Father @Wrangler ?
Wrangler
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Like us, God speaks words. There is nothing mystical about it. "The word" is merely a reference to the words God speaks. Are we saved by God or his words?
God doesn’t speak to us as he is, His Living witness does that, how does his Living witness speak to us, through what in us does the Holy Spirit speak?
We are Born Again we aren’t saved not until we are Born Of The Spirit.
Wrangler
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Yes, father is a relationship. Look it up. A person is a father only in relationship to off spring.
Don't confuse hyperbole with reality. What human name is above all human names? Jesus. However, God is above him. 1 COR 11:3 the head of Christ is God.
Also notice the exception. Why is there this exception? 1C still applies. 1 Corinthians 15:27
27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
Everyone on this thread, I advise you all to 100% open up your minds to the Spirit and to his leading and teaching....including me.
You know, it’s sort of funny… People accuse others of “adding words to the Bible.”
Yet, if you speak English, everyone adds a word to John 1:1. Everyone!
Because word for word, in Greek, John 1:1 really starts, “In beginning was the word.”
The text does not say, “In the beginning…”
The definite article - “the” - has to be added in English.
Why? So the verse will ‘make sense’ in English.
Some scholars, in translating John 1:1 from Greek into English, actually word it, “In a beginning…” (due to the text having no definite article), but in English, we don’t say that without a qualifier.
Yet, if you speak English, everyone adds a word to John 1:1. Everyone!
Because word for word, in Greek, John 1:1 really starts, “In beginning was the word.”
The text does not say, “In the beginning…”
The definite article - “the” - has to be added in English.
Why? So the verse will ‘make sense’ in English.
Some scholars, in translating John 1:1 from Greek into English, actually word it, “In a beginning…” (due to the text having no definite article), but in English, we don’t say that without a qualifier.
It says they are AS one...meaning they are all on the same page.
I go with the Bible..not Greek.
The word was God
John 1
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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