THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

The scriptures do not define who "our" is and people like to read into that anything they want.

As a whole the word Ĕlōhīm is a loose term. People love loose terms because they can make them what they want. But this one is a typical loose term because it can mean singular or plural or false gods or humans.

Ĕlōhīm: is a Hebrew word meaning "God or gods" or "godhood". Although the word is grammatically plural in the Hebrew Bible it most often takes singular verbal or pronominal agreement and refers to a single deity, particularly the God of Israel.

When referring to Yahweh, elohim very often is accompanied by the article ha-, to mean, in combination, “the God,” and sometimes with a further identification Elohim ḥayyim, meaning “the living God.” Though Elohim is plural in form, it is understood in the singular sense.

Seems that we are at an impasse.

The scriptures do not define who "our" is

YES, the Holy Scriptures, in FACT, declare and define who "Us/Our/Our" is
in GENESIS, in the prophets, in the Gospel, in the Apostles and in Revelation

Elohim is not the author of confusion.

Unbelief is the author of confusion

 

[Ritajanice]

David in NJ said:
i know
Who authored your new birth = Born Again ???

LOL

He said "authored", not authorized.

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LOL.hehe..no idea what authored means.,I was Born Of The Spirit...he came to the Lord God obviously different to me.,we all need to realise that we have different levels of faith, also our spiritual understanding is different...,we grow at different rates..imo.

We need to be careful what we accuse each other of, just because we don’t understand each other..doesn’t mean we aren’t Born Again.

If I had come in this topic now as a new babe @St. SteVen ..I wouldn’t of had a clue what you were all talking about...we all grow at different rates in spiritual understanding Brother.

 

[David in NJ]

David you have evaded all of my questions.

Show me in the Bible where it says we must be authorised to be Born Of The Spirit?

Spirit gives birth to spirit , David..there ain’t no authorisation there my friend, I’m under the authority of the Spirit @David in NJ once my spirit was reborn.

You see David you too are confused..look at what you posted..you don’t have it right my friend no more than any of us..you just keep dishing out accusations ..

Remember the Love Of God my friend..my rebirth was very different to yours.obviously..doesn’t mean the J,w,s. have converted me my friend.

Show me in the Bible where it says we must be authorised to be Born Of The Spirit?

It is CLEAR as DAY in the Gospel = which you have yet to SEE

i have the authority of God thru Christ and the Holy Spirit to speak TRUTH = "Thy word is Truth"

Here is TRUTH for you = Hebrews 12:1-3

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Instead of arguing against TRUTH Rita, seek it with your whole heart and cherish the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

 

[Scott Downey]

Proof Christ endures forever having the power of an endless life, He is the Prince of Life, the Word of the Father.

Come on people, don't you like green eggs and ham?

The Enduring Word​

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth [i]through the Spirit in [j]sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of [k]corruptible seed but [l]incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides [m]forever, 24 because

“All flesh is as grass,
And all [n]the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,

25 But the [o]word of the Lord endures forever.”

And Christ is the WORD

 

[St. SteVen]

LOL.hehe..no idea what authored means.,I was Born Of The Spirit...he came to the Lord God obviously different to me.,we all need to realise that we have different levels of faith, also our spiritual understanding is different...,we grow at different rates..imo.

We need to be careful what we accuse each other of, because we don’t understand each other..doesn’t mean we aren’t Born Again.

An author is typically a book writer.
But anyone who initiates something is considered the author.

Hebrews 12:2 KJV
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

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[David in NJ]

An author is typically a book writer.
But anyone who initiates something is considered the author.

Hebrews 12:2 KJV
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

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i don't know about that - see Post 1803

 

[Scott Downey]

So we read the Father made us born again as did He through the Word of God, Christ make us born again, and this only for the elect of God, chosen by the Father to be obedient to Christ and have the blood atonement for their sins.

1 Peter 1

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,

2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope​

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time

 

[Ritajanice]

It is CLEAR as DAY in the Gospel = which you have yet to SEE

I wasn’t Born Again of the gospel neither did I hear it, I was Born Of The Spirit.by = supernatural divine heart revelation.

i have the authority of God thru Christ and the Holy Spirit to speak TRUTH = "Thy word is Truth"

Here is TRUTH for you = Hebrews 12:1-3

We speak under the authority of the Spirit..

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Makes no sense to me.

Instead of arguing against TRUTH Rita, seek it with your whole heart and cherish the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

I’m already in the truth David as a Born Again,I seek more and more of the heart of God out every day.

Not arguing David..I’m challenging what I believe is your truth and will continue to do so

Like I said your truth is no more valid than anyone else’s.,.its your truth own it.

 

[keithr]

1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB):

(3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.​

Every man is not Christ; the woman is not the man; Christ is not God.

 

[Grailhunter]

He is indeed...from day one, do others disagree with this?

I have run into people that reduce the Trinity to a duo.
The Holy Spirit not being a God but rather Yahweh’s spirit.

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB):

(3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.​

Every man is not Christ; the woman is not the man; Christ is not God.

That just proves they are distinct persons of the Trinity.

 

[Grailhunter]

YES, the Holy Scriptures, in FACT, declare and define who "Us/Our/Our" is
in GENESIS, in the prophets, in the Gospel, in the Apostles and in Revelation

Elohim is not the author of confusion.

Unbelief is the author of confusion

Not knowing the language and its characteristics is the author of confusion.
Imaginative interpretation can spawn a lot false beliefs.

 

[Ritajanice]

An author is typically a book writer.
But anyone who initiates something is considered the author.

Hebrews 12:2 KJV
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

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Doesn’t resonate with my spirit, I wasn’t Born Again that way..

The Spirit is making me into Jesus image, not the author, he is seated at the right hand side of God.

It’s scripture, I don’t understand it and I bet ya, there’s plenty of scripture that you and David don’t understand as well.

Like I explained ,he, you, me and everyone else are at different levels of spiritual understanding .

Unfortunately you and David think you are right about the trinity.

 

[David in NJ]

I wasn’t Born Again of the gospel neither did I hear it, I was Born Of The Spirit.by = supernatural divine heart revelation.

We speak under the authority of the Spirit..

Makes no sense to me.

I’m already in the truth David as a Born Again,I seek more and more of the heart of God out every day.

Not arguing David..I’m challenging what I believe is your truth and will continue to do so

Like I said your truth is no more valid than anyone else’s.,.

I wasn’t Born Again of the gospel neither did I hear it, I was Born Of The Spirit.by = supernatural divine heart revelation.

Thank you for being open and honest.

Please allow @Nancy @Scott Downey to share with you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you for being open and honest.

Please allow @Nancy @Scott Downey to share with you.

No thanks.. my testimony lines up with scripture thanks.their testimonies are their own, maybe you want me to hear their testimony because you understand their testimonies..

You don’t understand my testimony do you David be honest?

The gospel did not birth my spirit...I will never deny my living testimony because it doesn’t fit in with other folks testimonies ,you challenge my testimony using the word @David in NJ ..not by your opinions of me..

That you have yet to do, maybe on another thread or even here if admin allows it.

Their testimonies are theirs..and I respect them..


So I ask you again David..how do you know that God truly exists?

Plus how do you know that Jesus was the Messiah, that he died and was resurrected .where do we need to know that truth in us @David in NJ ?

Why must we be Born Of The Spirit, David, other than saving us from eternal damnation . Why else must we be Born Of The Spirit ?

 

[David in NJ]

No thanks.. my testimony lines up with scripture thanks.

The gospel did not birth my spirit.


So I ask you again David..how do you know that God truly exists?

my testimony lines up with scripture thanks.

I wasn’t Born Again of the gospel neither did I hear it, I was Born Of The Spirit.by = supernatural divine heart revelation.

Your testimony is CLEAR evidence that you ar under deception and unable to see and believe the TRUTH,
just as you confess in your posts.

The HOLY SPIRIT never argues against the TRUTH = "Looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of Faith"

I am the LORD, and there is no other;
there is no God but Me.

And there is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.
“Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.

 

[keithr]

That just proves they are distinct persons of the Trinity.

No it doesn't. To prove that it would have to say that "the head of Christ is the Father". If Christ Jesus is part of God then God cannot be the head of Jesus. Nobody can be the head of themselves.

Ephesians 5:23 (WEB):

(23) For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body.​

Just as Jesus is the heady of the Church, so is God the head of Jesus. The members of the Church are not Jesus, and Jesus is not God YHVH.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your testimony is CLEAR evidence that you ar under deception and unable to see and believe the TRUTH,
just as you confess in your posts.

Prove it then David instead of just voicing your opinion?

The HOLY SPIRIT never argues against the TRUTH = "Looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of Faith"

David who testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God, explain what that means?

I am the LORD, and there is no other;
there is no God but Me.

And there is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.
“Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.

Once again David posting scripture, yet no answer to my Spirit questions.

How do you know Jesus David..just by reading a Bible..where else must we know of him David?

I ask again why must we be Born Of The Spirit other than being set free from eternal damnation?

Your spirit cant deceive my spirit David as it’s trying to do,..you are also trying to deceive others also, because they don’t believe in the trinity as you do.

Whose power keeps us in the knowledge of the truth..who speaks Gods truth out of our mouth,a dead spirit or a Living Spirit..

If anyone is deceived it may well be you my friend...

 

[St. SteVen]

There are also Oneness Pentecostals, who don't believe in the Father, Christ is God alone. No Father, no Spirit, no trinity.

Seems strange that Pentecostals would not believe in the Spirit. Hello? - LOL
Maybe the Spirit of Christ?

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[David in NJ]

No it doesn't. To prove that it would have to say that "the head of Christ is the Father". If Christ Jesus is part of God then God cannot be the head of Jesus. Nobody can be the head of themselves.

Ephesians 5:23 (WEB):

(23) For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body.​

Just as Jesus is the heady of the Church, , so is God the head of Jesus. The members of the Church are not Jesus, and Jesus is not God YHVH.

Just as Jesus is the heady of the Church, , so is God the head of Jesus. The members of the Church are not Jesus, and Jesus is not God YHVH.

WOW - you do not know the Holy Scriptures when you confess unbelief to the words of Elohim.

For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
Ephesians chapter 5