THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[amigo de christo]

Yes, you tell people what they say does not fit the scriptures, and they think you have a problem.
World is not getting better and better, the daily news everyday shows that.
World is a 'scary' place, we need to fully rely on God as the Name of the Lord is a strong tower.

Proverbs 18:10
The name of the Lord is a strong tower;
The righteous run to it and are [e]safe.

What a beautiful thought just came to me scott .
GOD told MOSES to go and tell them that I AM has sent thee .
So GOD sent a man named moses , who had not SEEN the NAME but heard the name to the people .
MANY many years , decades and even centuries later
ANOTHER WOULD COME . And that one said not Just I AM has sent me , but that I AM .
THE NAME WAS MANIFESTED for all to see . IF YE SEEN ME PHILLIP , YE HAVE SEEN the FATHER .

 

[amigo de christo]

HAD YOU BELIEVED MOSES you would have BELEIVED ME , for HE wrote of me .

 

[JLB]

Until the rest of us came along. All first borns are the only begotten - until the next child comes along. Here is another contradiction. We are all children of God and there is only one child of God.

Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18


All others were created by the LORD Jesus Christ.


For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
Colossians 1:16

 

[amigo de christo]

God sent a man to the peoples to deliver them from the bondage of Eygpt and Had said tell them I AM has sent me .
But years and many decades later would SEND ANOTHER
I AM sent CHRIST JESUS. but JESUS was not but a man sent by I AM but rather
before abraham was I AM .
in the beginning was the word and the word was with GOD and GOD is the WORD .
and JESUS would set men free from BONDAGE laid upon them since the days of adam and eve .
To set the captives free from the power of satan and turn them unto the power of GOD .
To save all who do beleive in HIM . so that all who do beleive would not perish but have everlasting life .
He who is the servant of sin abides not in the House forever
but the SON , HE DO ABIDE FOREVER . Time to flee the tabernacles of men gone wrong
and go unto the wilderness and worship GOD IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH as HE has always desired .
TIME TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
JESUS came unto his own and said I AM has sent ME , and that before abraham was I AM .
Many reject the testimony of CHRIST . i say even if one understands it not , just beleive
and never twist , in time understanding comes as we read and learn the scrips and by the POWER of the SPIRIT
it reveals TRUTH to us and understanding as we have need .

 

[Ritajanice]

@Grailhunter ...why are so many obsessed over this trinity business, I really don’t understand their obsession of proving that all 3 are God..what do they gain from it.?

Why is it so important to them?

Is there something lacking in what they believe?..that this trinity, which isn’t even biblical..must be true?

 

[amigo de christo]

@Grailhunter ...why are so many obsessed over this trinity business, I really don’t understand their obsession of proving that all 3 are God..what do they gain from it.?

Why is it so important to them?

one might ask then WHY did you find it so necessary to begin this thread to teach what you beleive .
You cannot expect folks to not answer threads that even you or anyone else does bring .
You are loved my friend and i desire only good for you . but i suggest to myself and to all
that we just get back in the bible to learn for ourselves. ANY who has the SPIRIT
well the SPIRIT will reveal to them and give them the understanding of the scrips as they have need .

 

[amigo de christo]

@Grailhunter ...why are so many obsessed over this trinity business, I really don’t understand their obsession of proving that all 3 are God..what do they gain from it.?

Why is it so important to them?

Is there something lacking in what they believe?..that this trinity, which isn’t even biblical..must be true?

its one thing to not understand this . but let us not deny the diety of Christ .
simply let us believe what is written .
That is what worries me so much for those who deny the diety of Christ .
I know for sure i did not understand it at first , but i did simply believe what was written .
And it sure did say in the beginning was the word and the word was with GOD and that GOD is the word .
And in revelations JESUS sure does say i am alpha and omega the first and the last .
Now of course i understand if one does not understand . Just let us not deny but simply believe .
By grace i was reading the bible for hours daily , enjoying it
and still did not have the understanding of HOW this could be . NOT till about six months in
did suddenly i understand , at least in part anyway . What we never want to do
is omit what is written , just believe it even if one doesnt yet understand .
PS i do not use the word trinity , however that being said , the three are one .

 

[Ritajanice]

Hi everyone, I’m not teaching anything I’m voicing my opinion, like you all are.

I have no authority from the Spirit to teach about the trinity as it’s not biblical.

I’m just enjoying reading the different opinions, plus I love to be challenged .but not by a self appointed religious leader as their posts don’t resonate with my spirit I'm afraid......being challenged .makes me rely on the Spirit to help me think and understand what is being spoken.

 

[Scott Downey]

What a beautiful thought just came to me scott .
GOD told MOSES to go and tell them that I AM has sent thee .
So GOD sent a man named moses , who had not SEEN the NAME but heard the name to the people .
MANY many years , decades and even centuries later
ANOTHER WOULD COME . And that one said not Just I AM has sent me , but that I AM .
THE NAME WAS MANIFESTED for all to see . IF YE SEEN ME PHILLIP , YE HAVE SEEN the FATHER .

God with a face on, that can be touched.
The image of the invisible God.
The Father was manifested to us in the Son.

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that [a]your joy may be full.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus was Born to Mary, he grew up to adulthood, then was anointed to do the will of the Father.

@Grailhunter have you any idea what age that Jesus was anointed and how long did his ministry last...?

 

[David in NJ]

There are many assumptions being made to sustain such an idea. Sons of God are not always angels. The faithful descendants of Adam were sons (and daughters) of God. The unfaithful children of Cain were the daughters (and sons) of the devil. Christ spoke to the spirits of men who were in bondage of sin in Noah's day. He spoke through Noah, just as He did through all the prophets. It is assumption to speak of illicit relations between angels and men. All men were giants in those days compared to today. Just as the life span diminished because of sin and improper diet and lifestyle, so also did their stature. Archaeological finds confirm giant 12 foot skeletons from that period. They weren't half angels. Just men. Certain genetic traits of great size continued after the flood. They weren't half angels either. Angels cannot become men. They cannot deny what they are. That's worse than gender fluidity. And more nonsensical. The Greek myths of half animals and half men are more believable.

Good Morning Brother,

Begin your understanding from the scriptures with this: Only Adam was a 'son of God'

Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Janna, the son of Joseph, 25the son of Mattathiah, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath, the son of Mattathiah, the son of Semei, the son of Joseph, the son of Judah, 27the son of Joannas, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmodam, the son of Er, 29the son of Jose, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonan, the son of Eliakim, 31the son of Melea, the son of Menan, the son of Mattathah, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon, 33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, 38the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

God with a face on, that can be touched.
The Father was manifested to us in the Son.

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that [a]your joy may be full.

Yes indeed He was my friend .
Had GOD come in all HIS GLORY the world would have been destroyed .
Even moses was only allowed to see the most hinderparts of GOD .
WHEN JESUS COMETH AGAIN in ALL HIS GLORY
the sheep still here go Home but the earth and the heavens , well destroyed all evil will be .
ITS DIRE necessary for folks to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST
so as they are hidden safely in HIM , have eternal life and the wrath of GOD abides not on them .
all evil will be destroyed . A new heavens and new earth will be and remain forever .
WE look foreward to the promise . But on that day and in that hour
nohting evil will remain . And thus any and all who denied CHRIST JESUS will be destroyed .
And scott , believe me when i say there is something far worse than death .
far far worse than the death of the body . ITS known as the lake of fire , aka the second death .
a place of torment is truly is . GOOD NEWS for those who BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST , they wont have to go there .
its for the unbelievers , all who loved a lie , worked abominations and etc .
ALL in the lambs book of life , WILL NEVER taste of death , the second death . THEY have a home eternal
with CHRIST . So lets get busy preaching that NAME as the ONLY NAME wehreby one may be saved .
To procliam to all to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST teaching all to oberseve all things HE did teach .

 

[David in NJ]

Then all you are left with is an insufficient human sacrifice. In fact, no sacrifice at all because your Trinitarian belief demands that all members of the Godhead are irrevocably connected to one another and cannot be divided.

'trinitarian' - lol

i am a ScriptureJesusTruth-tarian = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT are Echad

Then all you are left with is an insufficient human sacrifice

The Terms of the Acceptable Sacrifice, set by God, was for a spotless/sinless Lamb.
JESUS fulfills the Commandment of God = 2 Corinthians 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Trinitarian(lol) belief demands that all members of the Godhead are irrevocably connected to one another and cannot be divided.

The LORD YAHshua HaMashiach, once AGAIN, fulfills the 'demand' of 'all members' of the Godhead.

Question is = Do you know how???

 

[CadyandZoe]

From today!


Let’s start discussing.

Father/ Son / Holy Spirit...all 3 are one...Amen or not Amen?

Be careful. There are heretic hunters, who seek after scalps.

 

[amigo de christo]

Good Morning Brother,

Begin your understanding from the scriptures with this: Only Adam was a 'son of God'

Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Janna, the son of Joseph, 25the son of Mattathiah, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath, the son of Mattathiah, the son of Semei, the son of Joseph, the son of Judah, 27the son of Joannas, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmodam, the son of Er, 29the son of Jose, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonan, the son of Eliakim, 31the son of Melea, the son of Menan, the son of Mattathah, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon, 33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, 38the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

In the days of abraham he was preached the gospel , and in thy seed shall all natiions of the earth be blessed . in thy SEED .
He warned abraham that the people would go down into eygpt
but then HE would free them from the bondage of eygpt .
And so time went on . years later a man named moses would be born .
He would later flee to the wilderness to escape the wrath of pharoah .
and forty years was he in the wilderness . TILL ONE day HE seen on a moutain a bush on fire that was not consumed .
He approached and HEARD the VOICE of GOD .
and that voice told HIM go and tell this people that I AM has sent thee .
And by that man did GOD deliver his people from the bondage of eygpt .
Some time later in the wilderness MOSES told the people of one who was to come .
Many years went by , centuries would pass and HE who moses and spoken of DID come .
And HE too said HE was sent by I AM to free the people , But there was a key difference .
FOr not only did THE I AM SEND HIM , HE said before abraham was I AM . Me thinks folks need to UNDERSTAND THAT .
and BELIEVE IN HIS NAME .
The very NAME of HE who spoke to MOSES in that bush but had not yet made MANIFEST that name
Would later come and MAKE MANIFEST THE VERY NAME OF GOD . I have made manifest your name .
HEY phillip IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME , YOU HAVE SEEN the FATHER .
Thomas too would say the truth as he bowed and kneeled before HIM . MY LORD and MY GOD . and Unto HE
whom thomas kneeled , DID NOT say HEY THOMAS get up i am but man as are you . Folks better watch out
cause if one dENIES the alpha and omega , the first and the last , BOY IT WONT BODE WELL .
wait . I KNOW GOD said I AM ALPHA and omega , first and the last . HE said it in the old testament .
BUT we hear JESUS say this in revelation . ANY guesses on why that is ......................Foks better watch out .

 

[St. SteVen]

@Grailhunter ...why are so many obsessed over this trinity business, I really don’t understand their obsession of proving that all 3 are God..what do they gain from it.?

Why is it so important to them?

Is there something lacking in what they believe?..that this trinity, which isn’t even biblical..must be true?

The Trinity doctrine is standard in Christian theology. It has been since the early church codified it.
It is strange to be on a topic where Christians claim it to be untrue, as if it is some new idea.

Hi everyone, I’m not teaching anything I’m voicing my opinion, like you all are.

I have no authority from the Spirit to teach about the trinity as it’s not biblical.

I’m just enjoying reading the different opinions, plus I love to be challenged .but not by a self appointed religious leader as their posts don’t resonate with my spirit I'm afraid......being challenged .makes me rely on the Spirit to help me think and understand what is being spoken.

Trinitarians have presented plenty of biblical support. Not really fair to claim the Trinity has no biblical basis. (pet peeve of mine)

There is biblical support for all three views.
I don't think we should claim that the views of others are not biblical simply because we happen to disagree.

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[Scott Downey]

Be careful. There are heretic hunters, who seek after scalps.

Curious where do your sympathies lie?
Do you fear scalping?

 

[David in NJ]

So are you saying Yahweh is a liar?

All monotheists who reject the words of the LORD YAHshua HaMashiach, in their ignorance, are calling Elohim a liar.

All who BELIEVE "It is written" are calling on the only True Living Elohim = IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE
All who BELIEVE "It is written" are calling on the FATHER of the only Begotten Son of Elohim
All who BELIEVE "It is written" are indwelt by the Ruach HaKodesh who prays in and thru with groanings that cannot be uttered

 

[RLT63]

Especially FULL Preterism. They say there is no future left to happen according to scripture, it already happened. So for them Revelation is over and done.

And we are living in a new earth and heaven now, after the destruction of the earth and heaven with fall of Jerusalem in 70AD

Actually they miss when the NC started, it started before 70 AD

If Satan is chained his chain is too long

 

[Scott Downey]

All monotheists who reject the words of the LORD YAHshua HaMashiach, in their ignorance, are calling Elohim a liar.

All who BELIEVE "It is written" are calling on the only True Living Elohim = IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE
All who BELIEVE "It is written" are calling on the FATHER of the only Begotten Son of Elohim
All who BELIEVE "It is written" are indwelt by the Ruach HaKodesh who prays in and thru with groanings that cannot be uttered

There are also Oneness Pentecostals, who don't believe in the Father, Christ is God alone. No Father, no Spirit, no trinity.