THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

If Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit, then his seed must have impregnated her womb...

Now there’s a thought.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, it means that Jesus, God's only begotten son, who was a god (a mighty being), did not ever consider trying to become equal to God. Unlike Satan, who wanted to be like God.

So, then JW believe in more than one God.

 

[David in NJ]

No, it means that Jesus, God's only begotten son, who was a god (a mighty being), did not ever consider trying to become equal to God. Unlike Satan, who wanted to be like God.

How is JESUS a 'god' - explain

If Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit, then his seed must have impregnated her womb...

Now there’s a thought.

Why did this occur???

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe the Spirit is starting to give me heart revelation..all In His timing ..what do you make of my post above @Wrangler ..,about the seed impregnating Mary’s womb?

She became pregnant by the Holy Spirit did she not?..which was a divine seed?..a living divine seed.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why did this occur???

Are you asking me that question?

7,000 views..Praise God.

 

[keithr]

Of Him though scripture says, 'considered Himself of no reputation' , so this is perfectly in line with that.

Where does it say that? I can't find it. All I can find is Philippians 2:7 (KJV):

(7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:​

More modern translations translate "made himself of no reputation" as "emptied himself". There's no considering himself in that. I think you have misremembered the Scriptures and that you didn't check before posting. Right?

 

[David in NJ]

Are you asking me that question?

7,000 views..Praise God.

Do you know the significance and symbolism that God gave to the Number 7, in scripture?

Yes, - i am asking you "Why did the Holy Spirit come upon Mary"

1 Peter 3:15
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

 

[keithr]

I had written "If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God".

Why not?

The Greek word that's translated as 'exalted' is huperupsoo which means "to elevate above others, that is, raise to the highest position" (Strong's). You cannot elevate yourself above others, it requires somebody above you to do that.

God performed the exalting on Jesus, therefore Jesus cannot be God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you know the significance and symbolism that God gave to the Number 7, in scripture?

Yes, - i am asking you "Why did the Holy Spirit come upon Mary"

1 Peter 3:15
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Because we needed a divine saviour , who had to die and take our sins upon himself ,he was predestined to be our saviour, is it his Spirit that he gave up to God and through that same Spirit we can become Born Again, by the Holy Spirit?..make sense does it?

Those words just came out, they may be from me..tell me what you think?

 

[David in NJ]

I had written "If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God".

The Greek word that's translated as 'exalted' is huperupsoo which means "to elevate above others, that is, raise to the highest position" (Strong's). You cannot elevate yourself above others, it requires somebody above you to do that.

God performed the exalting on Jesus, therefore Jesus cannot be God.

Your logic is correct in the vacuum of man-kind.

Was Jesus limited to and FULLY constrained within that vacuum???

 

[David in NJ]

Because we needed a divine saviour , who had to die and take our sins upon himself ,he was predestined to be our saviour, is it his Spirit that he gave up to God and through that same Spirit we can become Born Again, by the Holy Spirit?..make sense does it?

Absolutely makes sense from the Scriptures.

Therefore, based on the Word of Truth, there MUST be THREE DIVINE BEINGS involved in Salvation for the world.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's a nonsensical sentence.

Sorry you feel this way.

My son was human, is that nonsensical?

Are you a fan of Star Wars? Yes, Jesus existed before Abraham was born.

I see. a joker huh? star wars has nothing to do with this. Jesus declared, Before Abraham existed. I exist.

No you tell me how to interpret that

Well if that's the only two possibilities that you can think of, then they must be the only two. Or perhaps you're not as clever as you thought and there may be other possibilities!

do share. who else existed before?? I mean was a a demon? But a demon is nothing but a fallen angel..

Jesus created the angels, so I wouldn't consider Jesus part of the creation (although it's possible that the angels were just like what Jesus was). Jesus was begotten by God, so I'd guess that he was more like God in nature than the angels were - Colossians 1 (WEB):

(15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

(16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.​

(17) He is before all things, and in him all things are held together.​

(18) He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.​

so you believe Jesus created the heavens and the earth. remember, God did this..

You don't give any references, so I'll guess that you are referring to Hebrews 1:8-9 (WEB):

(8) But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom.​

(9) You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.”​

Jesus is not called God (capital G), i.e. the one and only almighty God YHVH. He is referred to as a god. To us Jesus is a god, but Jesus has a god, the same god that we have, our Father YHVH. Hence God says to His Son, "your god has anointed you".

lol. Wow. Your just like your 2 borothers here who twist things howver he can to get his belief correct..

What attitude? I was not attacking you, I was simply commenting, stating what seemed obvious to me. Just because I was disagreeing with you that doesn't mean that I was attacking you! I still consider it absurd to say that a someone who is begotten is the same person as the person who begat him/her - it is absurd nonsense! Procreation is the creation of new living beings, new individuals. The new living beings are not part of their father; if that was the case then you, and everyone else, are all Adam. You are not Adam! Again, that's absurd!

See there you go again.

Just say you disagree. you do not have to say its obsurd, 1 that is not polite. and 2. it comes from your pride

"Obserd"? I have never seen any explanation of it that was in any way sensible and believable. It's most deinitely not logical!

In your mind, your right.

In my mind and many others it is totally logical

Thats what I mean about your pride and attack.

I could care less if it is logical to you or not. All i can do is share what i believe, if you disagree fin, Say :I disagree"

I consider what you have written to be "nonsense" - it doesn't make sense and is totally illogical. It's like Jesus said, Luke 8:10 (WEB):

(10) He said, “To you it is given to know the mysteries of God’s Kingdom, but to the rest in parables; that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’​

Believe the simple truth - "there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him" (1 Corinthians 8:6).

yet we have given all of you scripture after scripture after scriptre that shows the angel of God was God

that shows Jesus was the God of the OT

that shows Jesus was sent by the father and the spirit in the OT even

and you keep saying it is illogical.

I will share with you like I shared with one of your brothers. If you are set in stone in your belief. nothing we say will be logical to you. Because you have made up your mind. You are free to try to change my mind, I am open. When and if you do. i will repent and confess I was wrong.

But saying little g is not going to cut it.. You have to go far deeper than this. or just say you can not come up with any more reasons to try to convince me. and we will move on.

But I will not be talked down to by you because your pride is to deep to have a real discussion

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus wasn't equal with God, and is now still not equal with God, nor will he ever be. 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB):

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

Jesus did not consider being equal with God something to be....

Jesus thought he was equal to God. or that whole statement is illogical

Remember, when satan convinced adam and eve to sin, he became the father of this world. He tried to give it back to Jesus when he tempted him.. But Jesus took it back on the cross.

 

[keithr]

Why do you only use HALF of the equation and leave out that which is REQUIRED for eternal Life???

You MUST have the WHOLE Equation for Eternal Life = the FATHER and the SON

this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent

I was mainly pointing out that Jesus said that his Father was the only true God. However, if you read what I said you'll find that I didn't miss out "half the equation". I wrote:

"To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son."​

 

[David in NJ]

To have eternal life, only our spirit needs to be reborn.

You do not have to believe in no trinity nonsense..it’s not even biblical...man made nonsense.

How many Elohim is required for Salvation according to the Gospel???

What is "trinity nonsense"??? please define the "nonsense"

 

[David in NJ]

I was mainly pointing out that Jesus said that his Father was the only true God. However, if you read what I said you'll find that I didn't miss out "half the equation". I wrote:

"To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son."​

So then their is a necessary Part of God which is required for Salvation for without that necessary Part, no one could be saved.

Yes or No???

 

[Ritajanice]

How many Elohim is required for Salvation according to the Gospel???

It’s not according to the gospel that I became Born Again, it because of the gospel that I can become Born Again.

The Holy Spirit is my Living testimony that I’m Born Again.. not no gospel..my spirit is reborn.
My spirit is in the righteousness of Christ.

You need God’s Living testimony from the Holy Spirit to our spirit that we are the children of God.

Our spirit is birthed by the Holy Spirit, just as Gods word says.

What is "trinity nonsense"??? please define the "nonsense"

 

[Scott Downey]

So then their is a necessary Part of God which is required for Salvation for without that necessary Part, no one could be saved.

Yes or No???

They don't recognize the same Christ most of Christianity believes, all can see their belief system is very different

 

[Scott Downey]

I believe the Spirit is starting to give me heart revelation..all In His timing ..what do you make of my post above @Wrangler ..,about the seed impregnating Mary’s womb?

She became pregnant by the Holy Spirit did she not?..which was a divine seed?..a living divine seed.

So do you believe Christ existed before that?

 

[Ritajanice]

So do you believe Christ existed before that?

No I do not..

He had to grow in Mary’s womb..Jesus is not God, he came from God’s seed.