THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[keithr]

Of course they are distinct persons. Father, Son, Spirit are all of God together.

And Christ is in the form of God

The Humbled and Exalted Christ​

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

This can not be ignored.

Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point).

A better translation (you didn't specify which translation you were quoting from) - Philippians 2:5-8 (WEB):

(5) Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,​

(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

(7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.​

(8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.​

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;​

(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,​

(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God.

 

[St. SteVen]

The definition does not matter. Whatever it is, A is A.

Is there a difference between The A and an A?

There is a difference between an angel and the Angel of the Lord.
Two different things. Both angels by task but not in essence.

Jesus isn't a loaf of bread, but he is the Bread of Life. Two different things.

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[David in NJ]

Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point).

A better translation (you didn't specify which translation you were quoting from) - Philippians 2:5-8 (WEB):

(5) Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,​

(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

(7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.​

(8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.​

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;​

(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,​

(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God.

who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,

This means that the Word that was God humbled Himself and BECAME a man.
As the Prophesied God/Man/Immanuel the Word humbled Himself to also be the SERVANT of GOD for us

Because you/i/anyone could NEVER serve God in the Capacity that was Required to PLEASE GOD

 

[Scott Downey]

Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point).

A better translation (you didn't specify which translation you were quoting from) - Philippians 2:5-8 (WEB):

(5) Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,​

(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

(7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.​

(8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.​

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;​

(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,​

(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God.

Don't think like that as Christ humbled Himself and had fully relied on the Father when born as a babe.
Christ acknowledged He had come down from the Father to the earth, so He then did not have the same glory He had with the Father before He came down.
But God gave back to Him His former glory when He ascended.

And Christ fully honored the Father in all He did as a servant of the Father on the earth, H humbled, emptied Himself of the glory He formerly had with the Father.
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Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He [a]should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together [b]with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[David in NJ]

Is there a difference between The A and an A?

There is a difference between an angel and the Angel of the Lord.
Two different things. Both angels by task but not in essence.

Jesus isn't a loaf of bread, but he is the Bread of Life. Two different things.

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Jesus isn't a loaf of bread, but he is the Bread of Life.

ty Brother - best one so far this morning for a good healthy laugh(with you NOT against you)

 

[David in NJ]

Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point).

A better translation (you didn't specify which translation you were quoting from) - Philippians 2:5-8 (WEB):

(5) Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,​

(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

(7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.​

(8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.​

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;​

(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,​

(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God.

If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God.

Why not?

 

[Wrangler]

Is there a difference between The A and an A?

Not in metaphysical identity. The difference MAY BE in context of a reference only of more than one existent. For instance, A lion is a lion but the lion who we killed last night was not the lion that had killed the local resident.

Your whole premise is ridiculous on its face. The trinity is not in the Bible. You make up with this idea that an angel is pre-carnate man out of whole cloth. This is not the same thing as Scripture explictly stating the trinity and stating this angel of the lord is no angel at all but a ruse to confuse the faithful.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Humbled and Exalted Christ​

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Even so God as Christ considered Himself of no reputation and become a bondservant of the Father.
Course this was all part of the eternal plan, Christ crucified, to which God determined to do before the foundation of the world, to bring men to God so they could have eternal life with God.
God cannot die but God clothed in flesh can suffer and die to bring us back to Himself, since God loved us and did not want us to perish in hell.

Revelation 13:8
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[keithr]

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He [a]should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together [b]with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Right, as Jesus said in the verse you just quoted, speaking to his Father, John 17:3 (WEB):

(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

Jesus' God and Father is the only true God. That's the very words of Jesus. To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son. To believe that God is a trinity of three beings/persons is not knowing God, nor knowing Jesus.

 

[Scott Downey]

Right, as Jesus said in the verse you just quoted, speaking to his Father, John 17:3 (WEB):

(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

Jesus' God and Father is the only true God. That's the very words of Jesus. To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son. To believe that God is a trinity of three beings/person is not knowing God, nor knowing Jesus.

Of Him though scripture says, 'considered Himself of no reputation' , so this is perfectly in line with that.

 

[David in NJ]

Right, as Jesus said in the verse you just quoted, speaking to his Father, John 17:3 (WEB):

(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

Jesus' God and Father is the only true God. That's the very words of Jesus. To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son. To believe that God is a trinity of three beings/person is not knowing God, nor knowing Jesus.

Why do you only use HALF of the equation and leave out that which is REQUIRED for eternal Life???

You MUST have the WHOLE Equation for Eternal Life = the FATHER and the SON

this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ never sought His own authority or will or glory, Christ fully relied on God the Father.​

And He did what He saw the Father doing. Christ always glorified the Father when on the earth.

He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.

You never see Christ glorifying Himself, HE humbled Himself when He left the Father's side and came down from heaven.

The Heavenly Scholar​

10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. 11 Then the Jews sought Him at the feast, and said, “Where is He?” 12 And there was much complaining among the people concerning Him. Some said, “He is good”; others said, “No, on the contrary, He deceives the people.” 13 However, no one spoke openly of Him for fear of the Jews.

14 Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught. 15 And the Jews marveled, saying, “How does this Man know letters, having never studied?”

16 [c]Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.

18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.

19 Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”

20 The people answered and said, “You have a demon. Who is seeking to kill You?”

21 Jesus answered and said to them, “I did one work, and you all marvel. 22 Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? 24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Could This Be the Christ?​

25 Now some of them from Jerusalem said, “Is this not He whom they seek to kill? 26 But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is [d]truly the Christ? 27 However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from.”

28 Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. 29 [e]But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point).

A better translation (you didn't specify which translation you were quoting from) - Philippians 2:5-8 (WEB):

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(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,

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How could Jesus be equal to God, unless he was God

 

[keithr]

Gods son is God.

That's a nonsensical sentence.

Before abraham He is.

Are you a fan of Star Wars? Yes, Jesus existed before Abraham was born.

So what is he, was he an angel? Or was He god. those are the only two possibilities

Well if that's the only two possibilities that you can think of, then they must be the only two. Or perhaps you're not as clever as you thought and there may be other possibilities!

Jesus created the angels, so I wouldn't consider Jesus part of the creation (although it's possible that the angels were just like what Jesus was). Jesus was begotten by God, so I'd guess that he was more like God in nature than the angels were - Colossians 1 (WEB):

(15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

(16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.​

(17) He is before all things, and in him all things are held together.​

(18) He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.​

Considering in the book of Hebrews he is called God. I will trust the word.

You don't give any references, so I'll guess that you are referring to Hebrews 1:8-9 (WEB):

(8) But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom.​

(9) You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.”​

Jesus is not called God (capital G), i.e. the one and only almighty God YHVH. He is referred to as a god. To us Jesus is a god, but Jesus has a god, the same god that we have, our Father YHVH. Hence God says to His Son, "your god has anointed you".

If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only begotten Son be God? That's an absurd statement to make, lacking simple common sense and reason. God cannot beget Himself - that defies all logic.

Dude, why the attitude. what is it with you people and you r need to attrack people who do not agree with you?

What attitude? I was not attacking you, I was simply commenting, stating what seemed obvious to me. Just because I was disagreeing with you that doesn't mean that I was attacking you! I still consider it absurd to say that a someone who is begotten is the same person as the person who begat him/her - it is absurd nonsense! Procreation is the creation of new living beings, new individuals. The new living beings are not part of their father; if that was the case then you, and everyone else, are all Adam. You are not Adam! Again, that's absurd!

its not obserd. It is completely logical in the grand scheme ot things. Just because you do not understand it does not mean everyone does not.

"Obserd"? I have never seen any explanation of it that was in any way sensible and believable. It's most definitely not logical!

lol.. My sin is part of my namesake. my family. my kin.

same difference..

only in this case. The son is the alpha and omega, the first and last. through him the universe was created. Through him mankind was formed..

I mean come on, If you disagree, disagree. but stop with the nonsense

It may be absurd to you. But to many others. it is totally logical

I consider what you have written to be "nonsense" - it doesn't make sense and is totally illogical. It's like Jesus said, Luke 8:10 (WEB):

(10) He said, “To you it is given to know the mysteries of God’s Kingdom, but to the rest in parables; that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’​

Believe the simple truth - "there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him" (1 Corinthians 8:6).

 

[keithr]

How could Jesus be equal to God, unless he was God

Jesus wasn't equal with God, and is now still not equal with God, nor will he ever be. 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB):

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

 

[Ritajanice]

He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him

There was no unrighteousness in him, because he passed the test..as a man his human nature was tested by the devil...in the wilderness. If he was God then why would the devil tempt him?

He was born to a human, he lived as a human...

He has been exalted for his wonderful service to God and now sits at his right hand...I wonder what God’s hand looks like.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus wasn't equal with God, and is now still not equal with God, nor will he ever be. 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB):

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

God cannot be subjected unto Himself???

It is the SON who subjects Himself unto His FATHER
and
What about the Holy Spirit = to whom is HE subjected to???

 

[Ritajanice]

You MUST have the WHOLE Equation for Eternal Life = the FATHER and the SON

To have eternal life, only our spirit needs to be reborn.

You do not have to believe in no trinity nonsense..it’s not even biblical...man made nonsense.

 

[Ritajanice]

What about the Holy Spirit = to whom is HE subjected to???

Who is subjected to the Holy Spirit?

 

[keithr]

who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,

This means that the Word that was God humbled Himself and BECAME a man.

No, it means that Jesus, God's only begotten son, who was a god (a mighty being), did not ever consider trying to become equal to God. Unlike Satan, who wanted to be like God.