Perhaps now you see why we banned talking about it !!
THE Trinity can Now be discussed.
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In reality they can't if you drill down on there beliefs.
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I believe Jesus had the ability to sin..I’m waiting to see their replies first, then I will post my opinion of why I think such a thing.
Another thing...how can Gods Spirit..indwell Mary, her body would blow up if he did?
Some may laugh at my question, let’s wait and see if they have a good answer.
But the text doesn’t differentiate.
It should, if there’s more than one God. But it doesn’t. It never does.
The angels have seen God, too. They do see Him.
But they’re not God. Are they?
Jesus is talking to men in the flesh though, so it is about them not angels, keep it in context.
By Jesus saying that, He is saying He pre-existed His body that He has.
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Isn’t this nice Christians and a Jehovah’s Witness discussing the scriptures so nicely.
A lot of people believe that early Christianity was one faith, one belief. Studying the Christian history side of things can be eye opening. Over 300 bishops (Overseers) met at Nicaea, representing different Christian beliefs. And the purpose was to define certain aspects of Christianity and agree on one belief.
That is kinda what is happening here.....shareing beliefs and ideas and speculations......mulling around the meaning of scriptures. This is the season, all that is missing is hot chocolate.....Merry Christmas to all.
A lot of people believe that early Christianity was one faith, one belief. Studying the Christian history side of things can be eye opening. Over 300 bishops (Overseers) met at Nicaea, representing different Christian beliefs. And the purpose was to define certain aspects of Christianity and agree on one belief.
That is kinda what is happening here.....shareing beliefs and ideas and speculations......mulling around the meaning of scriptures. This is the season, all that is missing is hot chocolate.....Merry Christmas to all.
Jesus is talking to men in the flesh?
I see no Jesus talking to me in the flesh, he’s seated at the right hand of God..unless I missed him?
I thought he ascended up into heaven?
No way does Jesus witness to my spirit, he’s seated at the right hand of God.. only the Holy Spirit can witness to my spirit.
Here in context, see the jews complained as Christ said He came down from Heaven, so He was in Heaven before being born as a man, and they hated that. Christ also saw Him as He was in the bosum of the Father which proves His divinity, so see here implies intimacy and knowledge of God the Father, which normal men lack completely, and angels can see God the Father but don't fully know His thoughts like Christ does.
In human terms, a loving intimacy of a father for a child is an appropriate POV here.
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Luke 16:23
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
John 13:23
Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved.
John 6
41 The Jews then [g]complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
In human terms, a loving intimacy of a father for a child is an appropriate POV here.
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Luke 16:23
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
John 13:23
Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved.
John 6
41 The Jews then [g]complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
What? Jesus talked with unbelieving jews a lot.
Ok my friend..I misunderstood your post, my apologies.
This is no more controversial than many other Christian topics having to do with the faith.
Look at all the disagreement over so many other things on the forum.
And it is the majority view of all Christians, so not a fringe understanding.
There is one guy on here constantly telling us Calvinist's worship a satanic god.
Don't overthink this.
God also indwells His people and they don't blow up.
John 14
Indwelling of the Father and the Son
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and [f]manifest Myself to him.”22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
I saw this…
I have an idea where you’re going with this, but neither did Jesus know everything his Father - his God - knew.
Take care.
… and wondered, “where is this in Scripture?”
I have an idea where you’re going with this, but neither did Jesus know everything his Father - his God - knew.
Take care.
Yes I know, but in all honesty look how quickly this thread grew.
Any How, don’t want to send this thread off into another discussion.
I made sure I got in there first, LOL as I knew this one would stay top of the leadership, most of my topics hit rock bottom ..childish I know, ..,just having a bit of fun.
As soon as I saw Angelina post..I’ve never moved so quick in all my life..to start a topic...hehehe
I can’t believe how quickly it has grown ....x
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Romans 6:3-11
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3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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