What is the basis for the unbeliever's condemnation?

[face2face]

Nobody is condemned for their personal sins. All sins have been paid for, including the unbelievers'. See 2 Pt 2:1

False Teachers and Their Destruction​

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

You are either in your sins or you are not. Those in Christ have a mercy seat which they can lay hold - those without, do not.
F2F

 

[face2face]

We are to respond with an apologetic defense that is grounded in Scripture, and it is essential to emphasize that any experience, belief, or practice that does not align with the revealed Word of God is to be considered as pseudo-manmade or unbiblical. The Scriptures are the ultimate standard of truth, and any deviation from them, whether in doctrine or practice, stands as a distortion of the gospel.

Key Scriptures and Greek Words:
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

Greek: "θεόπνευστος" (theopneustos): "God-breathed" — This indicates that all Scripture is divinely inspired and authoritative. Nothing outside of Scripture can be considered divinely authoritative if it contradicts the Word of God.

Matthew 15:9
"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Greek: "μάταιος" (mataios): "In vain" — Christ warns that any teachings that are man-made (such as traditions or doctrines not rooted in Scripture) are futile and unworthy of the worship of God.

Galatians 1:8-9
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

Greek: "ἀνάθεμα" (anathema): "Accursed" - Paul declares that even if a different gospel, or teachings not in line with the original message of Christ, is preached, it should be rejected as condemned.

Acts 17:11
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

Greek: "γραφῇ" (graphe): "Scripture" - The Bereans were commended for verifying teachings against Scripture, which is the standard for discerning truth.

Isaiah 8:20
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

This verse emphasizes that any teaching not grounded in the law (Torah) and the testimony (prophetic writings) is to be rejected, as it lacks the true light of God.

Apologetic Response:
We must uphold the Scriptures as the ultimate authority in matters of faith and practice. Any experience, revelation, or teaching that does not align with Scripture should be regarded as human invention or distortion. As the Apostle Paul warned in Galatians 1:8-9, even if an angel were to proclaim a gospel contrary to what has been revealed in the Scriptures, it is to be rejected and considered accursed. The Apostle Peter also emphasized in 2 Peter 1:19 that we have "the prophetic word made more sure" in Scripture, and that it is not subject to private interpretation or human innovation (2 Peter 1:20).

Thus, any doctrine or experience that deviates from the clear teachings of Scripture is not of God, but is a manmade construct that should be carefully scrutinized and rejected if it leads believers away from the truth of the gospel. The Scriptures are sufficient for all matters of life and godliness, and we must always be vigilant in ensuring that our beliefs and practices align with the revealed Word of God.

I 100% concur with you right here F2F.

J.

Agree with all your quotes and interpratation.

 

[Johann]

Nobody is condemned for their personal sins. All sins have been paid for, including the unbelievers'. See 2 Pt 2:1

False Teachers and Their Destruction​

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Incorrect-read the Scriptures.

J.

 

[face2face]

All coming from your own head knowledge.opinions, opinions, never take glory away from God..

You know NOTHING without his Holy Spirit.

Only he has authority and can testify the truth to our spirit of Gods truth, then check what you believe you hear him say / testify with the scriptures,

Can bitter and sweet water come from the same stream?

 

[Ritajanice]

Can bitter and sweet water come from the same stream?

Matthew 7:17-20KJV. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

 

[face2face]

Matthew 7:17-20KJV. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

And yet you believe the Spirit produces good fruit while the Scripture produces bad? You make no sense, as both come from a single source. Yet, you choose the one that confirms your own beliefs and discard that which differs.

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[Ritajanice]

And yet you believe the Spirit produces good fruit while the Scripture produces bad? You make no sense, as both come from a single source. Yet, you choose the one that confirms your own beliefs and discard that which differs.

What on earth are you talking about.

@face2face said i said. .. while the Scripture produces bad .

You LIE ,I said no such thing.

I said what you believe your hear being witnessed to your spirit, by Gods Living witness the Living Holy Spirit.regarding scripture ..

Check out what you hear..WITH SCRIPTURE! that is what I said..don’t add your words to my words!

 

[face2face]

Let's do a Bible Study together @Ritajanice (happy for you @Johann to take part!)

The “Door was shut” See Luke 13:25 also!

Who will the door be shut to Rita?

What is the context of Matthew 25:10?

 

[face2face]

What on earth are you talking about.

@face2face said i said. .. while the Scripture produces bad .

You LIE ,I said no such thing.

I said what you believe your hear being witnessed to your spirit, by Gods Living witness the Living Holy Spirit.regarding scripture ..

Check out what you hear..WITH SCRIPTURE! that is what I said..don’t add your words to my words!

The two references given you said were no good - bad! Didn't align with your beliefs...your words not mine!

 

[Ritajanice]

Let's do a Bible Study together @Ritajanice (happy for you @Johann to take part!)

The “Door was shut” See Luke 13:25 also!

Who will the door be shut to Rita?

What is the context of Matthew 25:10?

I can’t do a Bible Study with you because imo, you are void of SPIRITUAL truth..your spiritual eyes and ears are in desperate need of developing in the mind of Christ.

 

[face2face]

I can’t do a Bible Study with you because imo, you are void of SPIRITUAL truth..your spiritual eyes and ears are in desperate need of developing in the mind of Christ.

You can't, because you don't want to be proven wrong. To do so would cast doubt on your spirit, and that would cause the house of cards you've built to come crashing down.

 

[Ritajanice]

The two references given you said were no good - bad! Didn't align with your beliefs...your words not mine!

I said..,you have no spiritual eyes or ears to understand the word of God in spirit.

You keep preaching about the door.,yet have no spiritual understanding of what it means to be Born Of God in spirit.

 

[Johann]

The “Door was shut” See Luke 13:25 also!

Who will the door be shut to Rita?

What is the context of Matthew 25:10?

The phrase “the door was shut” in Luke 13:25 is part of a parable that Jesus tells about the narrow door. In this context, the door represents access to the Kingdom of God, and when it is shut, it signifies a time when it will no longer be possible for people to enter. Jesus warns that when the master shuts the door, many will try to enter but will be rejected because they did not make the necessary preparations when they had the chance.

Luke 13:25 says:
"When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are."

Who will the door be shut to?
The door will be shut to those who fail to respond to the invitation of salvation while they still have the opportunity. The Greek word used for "shut" in this verse is "κλείω" (kleio), meaning to close or to lock. It suggests a final, irreversible action. Jesus indicates that some people will find themselves on the outside, knocking at the door, asking to enter, but they will be rejected because they had the chance to respond earlier and did not.

Matthew 25:10, which you mentioned, is part of the Parable of the Ten Virgins. In this story, the foolish virgins, who were unprepared for the bridegroom's arrival, find the door shut to them when they return after the wedding feast has begun.

Context of Matthew 25:10
In Matthew 25:10, it says:
"And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

The context of this parable is about preparedness. The ten virgins represent believers awaiting Christ’s return, with five being wise (prepared with oil for their lamps) and five foolish (unprepared). The shutting of the door symbolizes the finality of judgment. The foolish virgins are left outside because they failed to prepare, just as many will find themselves outside the Kingdom of God due to spiritual negligence. The Greek word for "shut" here is also "κλείω" (kleio), reinforcing the finality and the irreversible nature of the decision.

So in summary:
In Luke 13:25, the closed door signifies a final opportunity for entering the Kingdom of God. It will be shut to those who fail to respond to the gospel in time.
In Matthew 25:10, the closed door marks the point when those who are unprepared are locked out of the marriage feast, symbolizing those who will be shut out of the Kingdom because they did not live in readiness for Christ’s return.
The key Greek words "κλείω" (kleio) and the imagery of the door being shut convey a serious warning about the consequences of failing to be spiritually prepared when the time of judgment comes.

J.

 

[face2face]

A false spirit makes rash, unfounded claims, like saying "the door does not close." Then, when shown that the Lord Himself taught it would be closed—and for good reason—you refuse to stand corrected or seek a greater truth. Instead, you cling to the spirit of your own making.

It’s truly a terrible place to be.

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

You can't, because you don't want to be proven wrong. To do so would cast doubt on your spirit, and that would cause the house of cards you've built to come crashing down.

It’s not about me, it’s about the Living God.

Who is a Living Spirit..you seem to think he the Bible.therefore you lack spiritual understanding.

You’re self reliant...you don’t seem to know who Gods Living witness is, which is rather concerning.

 

[Ritajanice]

It’s truly a terrible place to be.

It’s even worse , not being able to proclaim who God is by His Living witness, who should be residing in one’s spirit, testifying with our spirit that we are children of God, by divine heart revelation.

 

[face2face]

The phrase “the door was shut” in Luke 13:25 is part of a parable that Jesus tells about the narrow door. In this context, the door represents access to the Kingdom of God, and when it is shut, it signifies a time when it will no longer be possible for people to enter. Jesus warns that when the master shuts the door, many will try to enter but will be rejected because they did not make the necessary preparations when they had the chance.

Luke 13:25 says:
"When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are."

Who will the door be shut to?
The door will be shut to those who fail to respond to the invitation of salvation while they still have the opportunity. The Greek word used for "shut" in this verse is "κλείω" (kleio), meaning to close or to lock. It suggests a final, irreversible action. Jesus indicates that some people will find themselves on the outside, knocking at the door, asking to enter, but they will be rejected because they had the chance to respond earlier and did not.

Matthew 25:10, which you mentioned, is part of the Parable of the Ten Virgins. In this story, the foolish virgins, who were unprepared for the bridegroom's arrival, find the door shut to them when they return after the wedding feast has begun.

Context of Matthew 25:10
In Matthew 25:10, it says:
"And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

The context of this parable is about preparedness. The ten virgins represent believers awaiting Christ’s return, with five being wise (prepared with oil for their lamps) and five foolish (unprepared). The shutting of the door symbolizes the finality of judgment. The foolish virgins are left outside because they failed to prepare, just as many will find themselves outside the Kingdom of God due to spiritual negligence. The Greek word for "shut" here is also "κλείω" (kleio), reinforcing the finality and the irreversible nature of the decision.

So in summary:
In Luke 13:25, the closed door signifies a final opportunity for entering the Kingdom of God. It will be shut to those who fail to respond to the gospel in time.
In Matthew 25:10, the closed door marks the point when those who are unprepared are locked out of the marriage feast, symbolizing those who will be shut out of the Kingdom because they did not live in readiness for Christ’s return.
The key Greek words "κλείω" (kleio) and the imagery of the door being shut convey a serious warning about the consequences of failing to be spiritually prepared when the time of judgment comes.

J.

Really nice reply J. Note the issue for the person who simply believes they have the Spirit and are always full! As we are seeing the dangers are greater than many imagine.

“Lord, lord ” - along with “I know you not”. Links with the discourse on the Mount Matt 7:21-23. “There empty professions, here empty vessels”

“I know you not ” - more important to be known than to merely academically know I Cor 8:1-3; Gal 4:9

There are dangers for all of us, no one is exempt from these warnings!

“Watch therefore ”

F2F

 

[face2face]

The context is a bride who makes herself ready (Rev 19:7-8), and she does so through her submission to the bridegroom, who is responsible for her beauty (Eph 5:25-27).

Again, making herself ready means preparing enough oil in her lamp to remain diligent when He comes. Imagine disregarding the Word of God (oil) in favor of a spirit of your own making.

It’s the worst deception of all—to believe a spirit is guiding you to truth, only to realize it was a figment of your own imagination.

F2F

 

[Johann]

Really nice reply J. Note the issue for the person who simply believes they have the Spirit and are always full! As we are seeing the dangers are greater than many imagine.

“Lord, lord ” - along with “I know you not”. Links with the discourse on the Mount Matt 7:21-23. “There empty professions, here empty vessels”

“I know you not ” - more important to be known than to merely academically know I Cor 8:1-3; Gal 4:9

There are dangers for all of us, no one is exempt from these warnings!

“Watch therefore ”

F2F

Correct-there are indeed dangers for those who claim to be Christians in word only, yet fail to live out the teachings of Christ-this INCLUDES me! The New Testament consistently warns against empty profession and emphasizes the need for genuine obedience and the fruit of the Spirit in the life of believers. The apostle James highlights this distinction in James 1:22:
"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."
This passage urges Christians not only to profess faith but to actively live it out.

Similarly, in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus warns that not everyone who calls Him "Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of the Father:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
This highlights the importance of obedient action, not just verbal declaration.

Furthermore, Galatians 5:22-23 emphasizes the fruit of the Spirit as evidence of true Christianity:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

These qualities must be manifest in the lives of true believers, serving as proof of their transformation by the Holy Spirit.

Paul also cautions in Philippians 2:12-13 about the ongoing need for self-examination and sanctification:
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

This verse shows the active role of believers in their own sanctification, acknowledging that salvation is not merely a one-time event but a lifelong process of growth and obedience.

In summary, these passages collectively warn that the Christian life is not defined by mere profession but by a life lived in accordance with God's will, demonstrating the fruit of the Spirit and an ongoing, humble pursuit of holiness. We must daily examine ourselves, recognizing the need for God's grace as we work out our salvation with reverence and fear, knowing that it is God who works in us to will and to do according to His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13).

We must walk our talk, not "talk" our walk brother.

J.