What is the basis for the unbeliever's condemnation?

[quietthinker]

What the heck are you talking about???
Sharing scriptures here.

There's the 'ins' and there's the 'outs'......and of course 'we' are always the ins. It appears it's always others that are the outs.

What stands out to me in these type of exchanges is the disparate crowd who considers themselves ins don't seem to agree on much of importance.....and that which matters is sidestepped at best and ignored at worst.

The outs are always vilified by those considering themselves in, even if not named.....yet it was the outs that Jesus came to save. You want scripture?....ok, here you are in case it has not come to mind in my little ramble.

Mark 2:15-17
While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

 

[face2face]

There's the 'ins' and there's the 'outs'......and of course 'we' are always the ins. It appears it's always others that are the outs.

What stands out to me in these type of exchanges is the disparate crowd who considers themselves ins don't seem to agree on much of importance.....and that which matters is sidestepped at best and ignored at worst.

The outs are always vilified by those considering themselves in, even if not named.....yet it was the outs that Jesus came to save. You want scripture?....ok, here you are in case it has not come to mind in my little ramble.

Mark 2:15-17
While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

“I came not to call the righteous”

Whose feast is this?

"And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him." Mk 2:15

“as Jesus sat at meat in His house”. His attendance as an invited guest marked them out as chosen by Him See John 15:16.

John 15:16 (KJV) states: "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."

So as in his later parable, he called to his feast those most in need of it

12 "Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."Luke 14:12-14 (KJV)

If he has chosen us, we must make up this rather poor list of invitees. Also, if he is in a person's house, it is because he has chosen to be there and chosen to be with you - i.e. its not of our doing!!

Matthew (Levi) “He Left All” – Amazing response from a shrewd and successful business man, ie, he was rich enough to provide a large banquet v29. He would have paid dearly for the franchise – now there was no opportunity to return!

Many are called...few are chosen

F2F

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It appears it's always others that are the outs.

We don't know who God's unsaved sheep are. With our perspective, (lack of foreknowledge), the Gospel must go out to all.

The outs are always vilified by those considering themselves in

That would be wrong, since we are all sinners.

“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

We have to look deeper into what Jesus meant when He said this.
Since we're all born sinners and "none is righteous - no not one"; we must understand that Jesus was.speaking of those who realize that they are sinners. The self-righteous, those who think, (like the Pharisees), that they are good people based on their works ( keeping the Law, deeds), have this high opinion of themselves, arrogant and pride, keep themselves from God. Jesus called the sinners who were humbled, His sheep ( whom were already prepared by God). They somehow were enabled to see and hear, they possessed godly sorrow.
But wait, how did they receive this humility, godly sorrow since we were all rebellious and prideful? God enabled them, prepared them over time, guided them to this divine appointment when he removed their spiritual blindness so they could see and healed their spiritual deafness so they could hear His call.
Man cannot remove this spiritual condition, he cannot enable himself to come. He cannot equip himself that way. The predestined (elect) receive all that is necessary to come to Christ. It is a harsh reality, but most will not come to Christ.

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matt. 7:3-14
Well, that's one way of looking at it. The other way is confusing. "Healthy"? Who is healthy without Christ?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I have intentionally made the topic rather vague to bring out the two aspects of condemnation. There are two, distinct condemnations mentioned in Scripture. The first condemnation is called 'positional' condemnation. This is given to each person born into the world. In other words, it is the condemnation of being "in Adam." See Romans 5 for the contrast between Christ and Adam's positional truth. God condemns each person who enters this world with positional condemnation (i.e., in Adam). With this positional condemnation, we are immediately born qualified to be the recipients of God's grace and mercy. This is illustrated in Rom 11.32.

The other condemnation is 'eternal' condemnation. This is what happens when a person rejects Christ as Savior, see Matt 12.37. A person is eternally condemned by rejecting Jesus as Savior. It is by his words that he is condemned. The important thing to remember is nobody is born eternally condemned, only positional condemnation. As an illustration of this, see 2 Sam 12. David's new born child died and went to Paradise. This is why David says he will see his son again, because there is no basic for the child's eternal condemnation, only positional condemnation.

Another important point to bring out is that unbelievers are not eternally condemned for their personal sins. All sins were paid for by Christ on the Cross. That is why the gospel is the good news to unbelievers. The issue is no longer sin, but a Son. Go to any judgment passage for believers or unbelievers, you will not see the word sin mentioned. For the believer, he goes to the Rewards Ceremony (mistranslated Judgment Seat of Christ) after being rewarded for his works. For the unbeliever, he goes to the Lake of Fire based on his works (his works will not get him into heaven). Not by works of righteousness which we have done...

I will reread this post after I get back tonight. Didn't have time to edit it yet.

The basis is they are Lost !
Not worthy of Israel in fact !

You see Nathaniel and how Jesus seen Nathaniel ! because he was worthy in fact !

Remember this also, why did Jacob become Israel in fact ! because he was worthy of such in fact !

What is Israel, well such is worthy of God ! such truly abide in God ! if one does not you not worthy in fact.
All are called to God, but this world is the issue of why Man is under the Stain of Original Sin = Lost ! We have to clime out of that sewer and into the Light ! They one becomes one of Gods People = The Kingdom of God ! The will of God is done, not the will of Man.

 

[KUWN]

The basis is they are Lost !
Not worthy of Israel in fact !

You see Nathaniel and how Jesus seen Nathaniel ! because he was worthy in fact !

Remember this also, why did Jacob become Israel in fact ! because he was worthy of such in fact !

What is Israel, well such is worthy of God ! such truly abide in God ! if one does not you not worthy in fact.
All are called to God, but this world is the issue of why Man is under the Stain of Original Sin = Lost ! We have to clime out of that sewer and into the Light ! They one becomes one of Gods People = The Kingdom of God ! The will of God is done, not the will of Man.

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. You need to do some serious study on sin and Soteriology.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. You need to do some serious study on sin and Soteriology.

It shows that you know nothing of Sin regarding God !

The doctrine of Salvation ? What do you think Nathaniel is all about ! If you do not understand Nathaniel you are Lost in fact ! Jesus says why and what was Nathenial to see ? Do you not get it ! That's Salvation right their. what would Nathaniel see ! and why would he see such ? because as Jesus said, Nathaniel was a True Israelite in fact ! and only two people in the Bible are called a Israel in fact ! For they are in fact ! they are the foundations of such in fact.
No one is born an Israel in fact ! One becomes worthy of such in fact !

 

[mailmandan]

The basis for the unbeliever's condemnation are... the Words of The Lord Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.