Any non pre-trib teachers?

[TLHKAJ]

We may be past pre-trib now. So your question may already be answered. 1st week of March may be the 3.5 year mark, Mid-Trib. Trump has brought about peace with Israel and 10 Arab nations. Bill Gates has his nano tech and tracking system ready to be given to everyone on the planet. Elon Musk is sending the satellites (1000's) up! Evil is rampant! If the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't intervene soon, even the elect will be destroyed (not eternally though)! God Bless You!

Keep reading your Bible, Keep gathering with other Christians, Keep Praying. We will see him soon!

Trump crowned by Jewish Heritage Foundation as "Messiah, Prince of Peace" and king of Jerusalem.

 

[ScottA]

So I listen to CSN while I work. I love the preaching but I don't agree with the pre-trib rapture that they are always teaching. Is there any online sources of good teachers with a non pre-trib view? Thanks in advance.

There are plenty of non pre-trib teachers. Unfortunately, they too have come under the false teaching foretold to have occurred during the early church causing strong delusion and great apostacy. All of which was not to see correction until the times of the gentiles and the church age were fulfilled just prior to the sounding of the seventh angel. The timing of which is now upon us.

 

[TLHKAJ]

 

[Eternally Grateful]

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It just shows Israel is still in si8n. which we all knew.. and that the end has not come yet.

 

[TLHKAJ]

It just shows Israel is still in si8n. which we all knew.. and that the end has not come yet.

Yes, and they have chosen their "messiah" who will build their third temple, and enforce Noahide laws. "Antisemitism" will be punishable by beheading. Declaring that Jesus Christ is the Savior, the Son of God, that Jesus IS God the Son ...is "antisemitism" in their eyes. Refusing to bow to their "messiah/prince of peace" or his image will also be seen as "antisemitism" and punishable by beheading.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, and they have chosen their "messiah" who will build their third temple, and enforce Noahide laws. "Antisemitism" will be punishable by beheading. Declaring that Jesus Christ is the Savior, the Son of God, that Jesus IS God the Son ...is "antisemitism" in their eyes. Refusing to bow to their "messiah/prince of peace" or his image will also be seen as "antisemitism" and punishable by beheading.

I am not going this far.

The third temp[le will be built/. it must for an abomination of desolation to occur. But I do not think Trump will have anything to do with it. They have the money and resources to build the temple now without trump.. They do not need him.

 

[covenantee]

It just shows Israel is still in si8n. which we all knew.. and that the end has not come yet.

Is this Israel still in sin?

They don't seem to be aware of it.

 

[Jay Ross]

There are plenty of non pre-trib teachers. Unfortunately, they too have come under the false teaching foretold to have occurred during the early church causing strong delusion and great apostacy. All of which was not to see correction until the times of the gentiles and the church age were fulfilled just prior to the sounding of the seventh angel. The timing of which is now upon us.

The "Seventh Angel" is mentioned in these passages in the Book of Revelation. The timing of each described event is subject to the opinion(s) of the Reader

Revelation 10:5-7: - 5 The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven 6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.​

NKJV​

Revelation 11:15-19: - Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom Proclaimed​

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15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:​

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"We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,​

The One who is and who was and who is to come,​

Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.​

18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,​

And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,​

And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,​

And those who fear Your name, small and great,​

And should destroy those who destroy the earth."​

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19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, and turmoil, and great hail.​

NKJV​

Revelation 16:17-21: - Seventh Bowl: The Earth Utterly Shaken​

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17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great turmoil, {WW1} such a mighty and great turmoil {WW2} as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, {1948} and the cities of the nations' fell. {WW1} And great Babylon was remembered before God, {1926} to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.​

NKJV​

It is my opinion that the Time of the Gentiles will be completed in around 20 years from now after which God will begin Gathering the Israelites to Himself beginning at the start of the Seventh Age.

Shalom​

 

[Stash]

As things keep heating up all the people that have been yakking about getting raptured are starting to sound worried
They keep saying any day now any day
A perfect set up by Satan

 

[ScottA]

The "Seventh Angel" is mentioned in these passages in the Book of Revelation. The timing of each described event is subject to the opinion(s) of the Reader

Revelation 10:5-7: - 5 The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven 6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.​

NKJV​

Revelation 11:15-19: - Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom Proclaimed​

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15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:​

​

"We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,​

The One who is and who was and who is to come,​

Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.​

18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,​

And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,​

And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,​

And those who fear Your name, small and great,​

And should destroy those who destroy the earth."​

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19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, and turmoil, and great hail.​

NKJV​

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Revelation 16:17-21: - Seventh Bowl: The Earth Utterly Shaken​

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17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great turmoil, {WW1} such a mighty and great turmoil {WW2} as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, {1948} and the cities of the nations' fell. {WW1} And great Babylon was remembered before God, {1926} to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.​

NKJV​

It is my opinion that the Time of the Gentiles will be completed in around 20 years from now after which God will begin Gathering the Israelites to Himself beginning at the start of the Seventh Age.

Shalom​

Good presentation! However that is a curious translation that ADDS TO the words regarding the timing of world events.

Our usual exchange is not good. But let me offer this regarding the scope of the times referred to by God in Revelation 16:17-21:

The weight of a "talent" is equal to the weight of the flesh of men. (The question then becomes: When did men begin and continue to have flesh?)​

 

[Jay Ross]

The weight of a "talent" is equal to the weight of the flesh of men.

I have not heard of this teaching. Where did you read or hear of such a teaching as this.

Good presentation! However that is a curious translation that ADDS TO the words regarding the timing of world events.

All that I added to Revelation 16:17-21 are the historical dates of the events that have already happened. If you disagree with the recorded historical dates that I presented that shows that the Seventh Bowl judgement has already happened, then demonstrate that the events in the Seventh Bowl prophecy cannot have happened yet.

All of which was not to see correction until the times of the gentiles and the church age were fulfilled just prior to the sounding of the seventh angel.

I found this statement of yours strange as only the "time of the gentiles" is mentioned in the scriptures, whereas the "labelled" "Chruch Age" to my knowledge is not found in the scriptures. It is a man created label and is a false understand of what the "Church" should be like.

I did not comment on your statement as all I wanted to focus on was where in the scriptures, the seventh angel is mentioned and provided those scripture. I provided no further information on the first two passages of scripture as I am unsure when they will occur in our future.

I provided the historical timings of the third passage as I know that this scripture has already occurred. If you actually have an opinion on when the seventh bowl judgement will occur, then please enlighten us of your wisdom.

Shalom

 

[ScottA]

I have not heard of this teaching. Where did you read or hear of such a teaching as this.



All that I added to Revelation 16:17-21 are the historical dates of the events that have already happened. If you disagree with the recorded historical dates that I presented that shows that the Seventh Bowl judgement has already happened, then demonstrate that the events in the Seventh Bowl prophecy cannot have happened yet.



I found this statement of yours strange as only the "time of the gentiles" is mentioned in the scriptures, whereas the "labelled" "Chruch Age" to my knowledge is not found in the scriptures. It is a man created label and is a false understand of what the "Church" should be like.

I did not comment on your statement as all I wanted to focus on was where in the scriptures, the seventh angel is mentioned and provided those scripture. I provided no further information on the first two passages of scripture as I am unsure when they will occur in our future.

I provided the historical timings of the third passage as I know that this scripture has already occurred. If you actually have an opinion on when the seventh bowl judgement will occur, then please enlighten us of your wisdom.

Shalom

I only have one source, which is God.

The weight of a talent is the measure of silver (100 lbs) and gold (200 lbs), i.e. about the weight of the flesh of men.

The times of the gentiles and the church age simply run parallel.

As for the timing of events, the sixth bowl regards the drying up of the word of God that flows from Eden, only to be fulfilled (with all truth) just before the sounding of the seventh thunder/angel/bowl. Which comes with time no longer.

 

[Jay Ross]

As for the timing of events, the sixth bowl regards the drying up of the word of God that flows from Eden, only to be fulfilled (with all truth) just before the sounding of the seventh thunder/angel/bowl. Which comes with time no longer.

It should be noted that the Rev 16 Bowl judgement should be read in the reverse order to what is recorded by John.

The seventh Bowl has already happened.
The Sixth Bowl is still unfolding at the present and people from the 1990's, all around the world, have witnessed the signs and wonders of the three frog like spirits who performed their signs and wonders, which is being used to draw the kings 0f the earth to assemble at Armageddon to be judged for their the parts that they have played in trampling God sanctuary and His earthly hosts.
The fifth bowl is still in our distant future along with the fourth, third, second and the first, around 1,000 or so years from now.

It is my understanding that what you are claiming as the truth is not so.

Shalom

 

[rebuilder 454]

So I listen to CSN while I work. I love the preaching but I don't agree with the pre-trib rapture that they are always teaching. Is there any online sources of good teachers with a non pre-trib view? Thanks in advance.

Those postrib rapture teachers are all over utube.
Each and everyone easily refuted by anyone with a bible.
I have listened to a thousand of them.
They ALL leave out the pretrib rapture verses.
They ALL ascribe to "only one coming"

If you are prone to omitting verses and "condemnation prior to investigation" the postrib rapture camp has a place for you in that erroneous doctrine!!!!!

 

[rebuilder 454]

No One wants to, but this is part of the calling of the saints, Most of the faithful will not face this, but be protected in the wilderness for 1260 days ... See Revelation 12:10-11

Nope.
The woman is israel.
Has zero to do with the church.
Postribbers hate the fact that the 144k are ethinic Jews.
We see, Jews only, addressed in The GT.

 

[PGS11]

Its revelation mixed with the faith it has no place there - it should stand alone until its a proven revelation.A separation must be kept between the faith and revelation.Its not a required belief in Christianity.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As things keep heating up all the people that have been yakking about getting raptured are starting to sound worried
They keep saying any day now any day
A perfect set up by Satan

Nah, I am not worried. there is still alot that probably has to happen. I mean the temple is not even rebuilt, God comes at his own time, We are still in the birth pangs, but as Jesus said, the end is not yet.

 

[rebuilder 454]

As things keep heating up all the people that have been yakking about getting raptured are starting to sound worried
They keep saying any day now any day
A perfect set up by Satan

Oh it is even worse than that.
I am a pre-trib rapture adherent.
I believe 100%, that all of us Christians will be rounded up ,and put in some huge open air facility with maybe 300,000 or more believers.
I believe the Antichrist will start that process due to refusing the mark.
I also believe that all the post tribbers will be mocking us and saying "hahaha where is your erroneous pre-trip Rapture bologna"?
I believe after a few hours or days of that, that the Rapture will happen while we are in those internment camps.
And guess what?
all of that is pre-tribulation!!!!.

So whatever traction you guys think you got about the Antichrist being revealed, therefore there cannot possibly be a pre-tribulation rapture, it's just pure Theory and speculation

 

[ScottA]

It should be noted that the Rev 16 Bowl judgement should be read in the reverse order to what is recorded by John.

The seventh Bowl has already happened.
The Sixth Bowl is still unfolding at the present and people from the 1990's, all around the world, have witnessed the signs and wonders of the three frog like spirits who performed their signs and wonders, which is being used to draw the kings 0f the earth to assemble at Armageddon to be judged for their the parts that they have played in trampling God sanctuary and His earthly hosts.
The fifth bowl is still in our distant future along with the fourth, third, second and the first, around 1,000 or so years from now.

It is my understanding that what you are claiming as the truth is not so.

Shalom

Such a timeline perspective is only according to the measure of this world and its illusion. However, as everything points to Messiah while his time was 2,000 years ago, so too is everything fulfilled of prophecy, all of which is complete with "time no longer" now upon us. Meanwhile, many still believe the foretold "lie."

Whoever has an ear, let them hear.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I am not going this far.

The third temp[le will be built/. it must for an abomination of desolation to occur. But I do not think Trump will have anything to do with it. They have the money and resources to build the temple now without trump.. They do not need him.

Trump made sure that every state was (for the first time) under the Noahide Laws in 2018. Most of the wellknown evangelical TV preachers are on board with this.

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