So I listen to CSN while I work. I love the preaching but I don't agree with the pre-trib rapture that they are always teaching. Is there any online sources of good teachers with a non pre-trib view? Thanks in advance.
Any non pre-trib teachers?
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Randy Kluth
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Many years ago I found it odd that there were so many Pretrib books in the bookstore and so few Postrib books. I picked up some books by James McKeever, who had insight into computer technology and survival preparation. But later, James got into this anti-Jew kick, and I couldn't tolerate him any longer.
There are plenty of renowned Postribbers--they just don't make a scene about it. Famed anti-cultist Walter Martin was Postrib, as is Pat Robertson. Corrie ten Boom was an ardent Postrib. I discovered that Postribbers are not sensationalists who are into hype and hysteria, whereas Pretribbers pay a premium on expectation, tension, drama, and doing detective work about what's next coming around the hill.
Does that tell you what the problem is? Pretribbers are big names precisely because they play upon people's carnal wish to be out ahead of history prophetically, and be able to say, "I knew that was going to happen." They want to tell others how to prepare, and how to avoid the big problems coming upon the world. Actually, God decides what we can avoid and what we can't avoid.
They are no different from the economic forecasters who want to tell you where to put your money. Or like those who will sell you weird medical devices and drugs that assure you that you can cure baldness, or heal any disease whatsoever.
It's all about the spirit of a matter, and Pretribbers are all about hysteria and making predictions. But Jesus said we should leave making predictions about times and seasons to God the Father, and be concerned about living in righteousness today. If we live right, we will judge history right as it takes place around us. We will know what side to get on and what side to get off. We can stay calm even in a storm.
Good luck. I really do hope there are some people out there who can help you. I wrote a well-known author on the Postrib position, to know if he thought anything new was coming out for the Postrib position--Robert Gundry. He didn't know of much right now.
I do think there's a place for Postrib authors to make their case, in view of the flood of Pretrib authors. History says the Pretrib position is a modern error--an innovation that hasn't existed for most of history. If Pretrib was never taught in Church history before Darby, he should be exposed for his errors. I'm not saying Darby was evil--his errors simply need to be exposed.
Bobby Jo
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LOL, -- the Bible?!?
Yep, saved in a Pre-Trib church, but then I actually read the BIBLE! Funny how church doctrines are driven by CONTROL. -- If you don't show up Wednesday nite you MIGHT MISS THE RAPTURE, and by the way please contribute when the OFFERING PLATE COMES AROUND.
And let's not forget the JESUS WAS GOD while on earth, and ignore that Jesus emptied himself to become like a man TEMPTED in all thing, (GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED), so that we have an advocate who hungered, thirsted, felt sorrow and pain, and even DEATH.
But how about all the FALSE TEACHINGS, where we IGNORE the angel's instructions in Dan. 12:4 & 9, and assign ANCIENT FULFILLMENTS, -- before the ink was fully dry on the paper!
We could go on and on about the hypocrisy in the CHURCH LEADERSHIP -- who think they're higher than US! -- My only question is if there are ANY CHURCHES which aren't a FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.
And speaking of, -- we almost forgot that in the O.T., if a person didn't have more than two lambs, they didn't pay a tithe and in fact might have even received "assistance" from the church. Ohhhhhhh, but not with our Business Model TODAY. -- We're going to squeeze out every nickel which we can connive, and when you want to get Married in the church, we'll accuse you of not paying what we think is DUE, in spite of the fact that you're penniless because you only recently graduated from college.
Well, maybe there are SOME Preachers worth listening to, but I suspect that most are raking in their MILLIONS.
With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo (and ELAM, --in the picture-, is nodding his head in agreement ;) )
Try the link below
the rapture for dummies - Bing video
Please check out this below as well
http://www.mark13records.com/biblestudies.html
Same people with different studies
Dcopymope
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:)Yes, the Bible, specifically revelation, just read it. Its not that hard to understand it, like people claim it is. Just stop listening to the authors of confusion claiming revelation is not meant to be understood in sequential order like the rest of the Bible (and any other book ever written for that matter) and things will start to make sense to you. In short, the Day of the Lord occurs on the sixth seal, and the seventh trumpet, contrary to popular belief only ushers in the third "woe", the last 3.5 of the tribulation. There is no pre-trib rapture. The only "rapture", or "gathering" described at all up to that point in any way is in Revelation 12, which again, occurs after the seventh trumpet as far as the narrative is concerned. Its when the true Hebrew Israelites, my people, will meet with God in the wilderness face to face, as Ezekiel also put it. ;)
Billy Evmur
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I don't know of any ... Jesus was a post tribber for He says "After the tribulation of those days ... they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. ...."
Dcopymope
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And that's about the only thing he said that matches the order of events in Revelation, the message he gave to John....like, at all. ..
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Michiah-Imla
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The Bible is best, wether you read it or listen to it being read.
But Joe Scimmel lays out the post tribulation from the scriptures quite well.
Ken Raggio also lays out the post tribulation out of scripture well.
The Pre-tribulation doctrine continues to spread because many do not read their Bibles completely on a frequent basis.
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I read the Bible lol. I read it every day. Many, many times. I just love to listen to preaching as well! I can’t get enough of it. I like to hear other preachers studies of it. It’s just I don’t see a trib rapture and was hoping there was some audio or something I could listen to while I work that doesn’t push pre trib. But as posted earlier, doesn’t seem to be many teaching post trib.
Philip James
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Hello Mantis,
You can find quality programming here : Listen Live: EWTN Livestream 24/7 Catholic Radio | EWTN
I suggest Call to Communion with Dr. Anders at 1300 central time for starters..
Peace be with you!
I Personally believe in the pre-wrath rapture. Marvin Rosenthal is the first that I am aware of to propose this though i think he is off on some of his teaching as to exactly where the rapture is in relation to revelation. My personal opinions is that the rapture of the church occurs simultaneous to the rapture of the two witnesses at the end of the sixth trumpet, But i also believe that there is overlap in the various visions in revelation. So Instead of the Trumpets following the seals I see them overlapping, meaning the rapture is both after the sixth seal, and after the sixth trumpet.
Timtofly
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No One wants to, but this is part of the calling of the saints, Most of the faithful will not face this, but be protected in the wilderness for 1260 days ... See Revelation 12:10-11
Timtofly
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In a way your right, the church will not face this, the saints will, the church will witness these things from the wilderness.
BTW- Look up Andrew Farley and Pre- Trib rapture, you will find his teaching on it. He is not pre trib.
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There are 36 articles that refute the 'rapture to heaven', on the website- logostelos.info Free to read, all scripturally supported.
Enjoy!
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