When are God's Elect Justified?

[brightfame52]

Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !4

Now many enemies of the Gospel Doctrine of Non Imputation, which does equate to Eternal Justification, they make the slanderous accusation that , for one to believe in Eternal Justification, it must mean they have no regard for the Cross of Christ, but that is a slander and misrepresentation, and here is why:

Justification is derived from non imputation of sin, which we have reasonably concluded to be first and foremost from before the foundation of the world, based upon these Two scriptures 1 Pet 1:20; Rev 13:8, where its obvious God has purposed to impute sin on Christ, in order for Him to die for them in the fullness of time Gal 4:4; 1 Cor 15:3;

Hence Eternal Justification, Non Imputation of sin has its premise on God imputing the sins of the elect upon Christ, so that He in the fullness of time would come and die for them, and so this shows the enemies of the Gospel [EJ is an Gospel Truth] that their accusations are false and unjust, for EJ has everything to do with Christ's Death for Imputed sins of the Elect to Him !

 

[ProDeo]

What me wonder about election, how can you be 100% sure God elected you?

You can not.

IMO.

 

[ProDeo]

ADDITION...

What me wonder about election, how can you be 100% sure God elected you?
You can not.
IMO.

There IMO is no Scripture that informs us how God elects, please correct me if I am wrong.

Meaning, you have to live your whole life in fear where you might end up after dying.

That's in total contradiction with dozen and dozens passages from Scripture that promises security.

Living in fear, also not Biblical.

 

[brightfame52]

Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !5

Because of the Non Imputation of sin, and that from before the foundation, there can never be condemnation to them which are in Christ Rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

How could it be when those in Christ where Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And Grace was given them in Him [Christ Jesus] before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

So in reality they themselves have never been condemned by God ! That is not to say they were not guilty of sin and condemnation Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

However the Guilt and Charge of it was Charged to Christ before the World Began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained[For Redemption] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain [for sins charged to Him] from the foundation of the world.

So the deserved condemnation of Rom 5:18 was not legally charged to them personally in Christ Rom 8:1 ! 9

 

[JLB]

1644 First London Confession of Faith (Particular Baptists)

"III. ... God had in Christ before the foundation of the world, according to the good pleasure of His will, foreordained some men to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of His grace (Jude 4,6; Rom. 9:11- 13; Prov. 16:4), leaving the rest in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His justice."

"XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past
(John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood
of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom.
5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the
satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it
through faith." *Faith is the evidence of being justified from all sins at the resurrection

Jesus, "who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom 4:25; 5:1 YLT) *Believers were justified at the cross, and learned of it through or by their faith, which faith gives us peace toward God

"But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life." (Rom 5:8-10 NRSV) *We were justified and reconciled at the cross, not at our moment of belief

"...but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." (2Tim 1:10 NRSV) *The gospel brought the justification to light, brought the evidence of salvation to the mind of the elect by faith

"...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV) *One must have been seen as justified when written in the book of life

A Holy and Sovereign God was under no obligation to save anyone. He by right could save all, some or none, and sinful man cannot presume to judge his fairness. Considering the relationship of faith to justification, is it not fair to believe God saved elect babies dying in infancy, or saving the mentally incompetent, without their believing?

Do we know that there were NO elect among the native Americans who believed in the Great White Spirit and Creator before man and the Bible appeared? How do we know there are elect among babies dying in infancy? There are those who have the law in their hearts -

"When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all." (Rom 2:14-16 NRSV)

The prepositions from Greek to English are too difficult to be of certain or dogmatic assertions about time of justification. I cannot overturn the clear statements of God's word about justification solely by the assumed meaning of a preposition. Therefore I believe the Elect were justified at the Cross of Christ.

God’s elect are justified when they obey just the same as Gentiles.


Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

 

[KUWN]

God’s elect are justified when they obey just the same as Gentiles.


Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

It would seem you have committed the error of Equivocation. You appear to be saying that the elect are justified (saved) when they obey (the Gospel??), and the same is true for Gentiles. Do I understand you correctly?

But in the second sentence the issue is not salvation, but justification/vindicated before men by their works. You are using it in the second sentence when Abraham had been saved for over a decade. So, you are using the term justified with two different meanings.

see my earlier brief post on Justifications:

James 2.24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone (NET Bible)
ὁρᾶτε ὅτι ἐξ ἔργων δικαιοῦται ἄνθρωπος καὶ οὐκ ἐκ πίστεως μόνον.
Lets start with a corrected translation first before looking at one of the details
You see that a man is justified by works, and not only justified by faith.
James is saying that a by-faith justification is not the only kind of justification there is. There is also a by-works justification. The former type is before God; the latter type is before men.

The key to understanding this verse is the Greek adverb only (monon), which does not qualify the word 'faith' because the form would then have to be mones. As an adverb, however, it modifies the verb justified that is to be supplied in the second clause.

There is no justification that is by-faith PLUS works. You have two justifications that James is writing about.

 

[Behold]

You at this point have much enmity against the Gospel of God

Im teaching the Gospel of The Grace of God.

Whereas you, like all hyper Calvinists, are trying to lead people to Calvinism.

Remember..

God Creates CHRISTians.

Calvin creates CALVINISTS... (Like you @brightfame52

And also..

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

Calvinists, try to Lead Christians to CALVINISM............so, that is the Devil's work.... as Calvinism is a "doctrine of Devils"..

 

[brightfame52]

Im teaching the Gospel of The Grace of God.

Whereas you, like all hyper Calvinists, are trying to lead people to Calvinism.

Remember..

God Creates CHRISTians.

Calvin creates CALVINISTS... (Like you @brightfame52

And also..

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

Calvinists, try to Lead Christians to CALVINISM............so, that is the Devil's work.... as Calvinism is a "doctrine of Devils"..

You post against the Gospel of God

 

[Behold]

You post against the Gospel of God

Calvinism is not the "gospel of God"..

Its CALVINISM

Notice how its spelled?
Even you should be able to figure this out. @brightfame52

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism is not the "gospel of God"..

Its CALVINISM

Notice how its spelled?
Even you should be able to figure this out. @brightfame52

Yes Calvinism, specifically the Doctrines of Grace, are part of the Gospel of Gods Grace, and i'm afraid you wont be able to figure that out lest God be merciful to you.

 

[Behold]

Yes Calvinism, specifically the Doctrines of Grace, are part of the Gospel of Gods Grace,

You dont seem to realize that the Bible was finished , with a completed OT and NT... hundred of years, before John Calvin created a false theology, by twisting 3-5 verses in the NT, into a Cross Denying, Demonic Lie that deceived people like you into becoming His Tool, his Mouthpiece, his Deceivers.

 

[ProDeo]

Yes Calvinism, specifically the Doctrines of Grace, are part of the Gospel of Gods Grace, and i'm afraid you wont be able to figure that out lest God be merciful to you.

Thus, you have to live your whole life in fear not knowing if you belong to God's elect?

 

[Behold]

Thus, you have to live your whole life in fear not knowing if you belong to God's elect?

Calvinism is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, that is incredible.
ITs an attack on God, personally, and an attack against the Cross, literally.

John Calvin has his deceived believing that God wont let some people trust in Christ.

Now, here is how to SEE THAT... so that you get the idea.. of how Satanic it is..

That is exactly teaching.. = that JESUS wont allow some people, to trust in Him. That Jesus The Christ wont allow some people to BELIEVE in Him.

So, what could be more Satanic, then that teaching? And that is the HEART, the CORE, the FOUNDATION< of Calvinism.. of "TULIP"> of "pre-destined elect" Theology.

It is OF THE DEVIL.

 

[Ritajanice]

No one has the ability to trust in Christ, not until they know him in their spirit, that comes only when we are given supernatural faith by His Living witness the Living Holy Spirit, ..no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

You dont seem to realize that the Bible was finished , with a completed OT and NT... hundred of years, before John Calvin created a false theology, by twisting 3-5 verses in the NT, into a Cross Denying, Demonic Lie that deceived people like you into becoming His Tool, his Mouthpiece, his Deceivers.

You dont realize that the Doctrines of Grace are the Gospel !

 

[brightfame52]

Thus, you have to live your whole life in fear not knowing if you belong to God's elect?

When are Gods elect Justified ? I have been explaining that

 

[Behold]

When are Gods elect Justified ? I have been explaining that

John Calvinism.. Hyper Calvinism.. The "5 Points" "TULIP">... is a Theological blasphemy committed willfully against the Holy Spirit.

ITs an attack on God, personally,...... and an attack against The Cross, Literally.

John Calvin has his deceived believing that God wont let some people trust in Christ.

Now, here is how to SEE THAT... so that you get the idea.... regarding exactly how Satanic it is..

Reader...That is exactly teaching.. = that JESUS wont allow some people, to trust in Him..... That Jesus The Christ wont allow some people to BELIEVE in Him.

So, what could be more SATANIC, then that teaching?... And that is the HEART, the CORE, the Theological FOUNDATION< of Calvinism.. of "TULIP"> of "pre-destined elect" Theology.

Calvinism... HyperCalvinism.. "the 5 Points" .. TULIP..... : is Of The Devil

 

[KUWN]

No one has the ability to trust in Christ, not until they know him in their spirit, that comes only when we are given supernatural faith by His Living witness the Living Holy Spirit, ..no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

These words in your post were the same words spoken in Bible College by the people that were in my opinion lazy. They wanted God to act like a Genie and waited on God to give them supernatural insight into the Word.

I am not saying you are lazy, but perhaps these words will remind you that the study of Scripture is a life-long pursuit. It is not hard, but it is time consuming. And if your goal is to become more Christ-like, heed these words from Christ: GJohn 17...

17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.

19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

 

[Behold]

You dont realize that the Doctrines of Grace are the Gospel !

The "doctrines of Grace" were created by a man who had a demon.. named John Calvin.. and those similar evolved His teaching into Hyper Calvinism.... that has deceived you.

All this.. was created after the Bible was created...
So, its "not the Gospel".. as the Gospel came from Paul........and Paul is not a Calvinist.

 

[Behold]

When are Gods elect Justified

"Justification by Faith".. comes when the unbeliever gives God THEIR faith in Christ.