The day begins in the morning, for Jesus was born on the 8th day of Tishrei

[Galgal]

Even little children know that the day begins in the morning. But some religious people think differently. To prove to them such a simple thing that the day begins in the morning, I will have to prove something very complicated first: Jesus Christ, according to Scripture, was born on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(Colossians 2:16,17)

Here it says that the earthly feasts of the Lord are a "shadow" of the Body of Christ. Passover, the annual feast, when lambs were slaughtered, was a "shadow" from the future crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. The Feast of the First Sheaf was a "shadow" from Jesus' resurrection on that same day, Nisan 16.

The question arises, what feast or significant event of the Old Testament is a “shadow” from the birth of the Word of God in the flesh?

This significant event is the bringing of the stone tablets by Moses to the people of Israel. The embodiment of the word of God in stone. We will not look to Jewish tradition for the date of this event, we will turn directly to the text of the Bible. We will accept the length of odd months of the Jewish calendar as 30 days, and even months as 29 days. The unspecified periods, according to the rules of interpretation of the Torah, we will accept as minimal, that is, one day.

1st of the 3rd month the Israelites entered the Sinai desert (see Exodus 19:1)
3rd day of the 3rd month - the Lord came down with a trumpet blast (see Exodus 19:11)
4th day of the 3rd month Moses went up the mountain for the first time in 40 days and 40 nights (see Exodus 24:4-18, Deuteronomy 9:9-11)
On the 14th day of the 4th month Moses came down from the mountain, broke the tablets, and destroyed the golden calf (see Exodus 32:15-29, Deuteronomy 9:17)
15th day of the 4th month Moses went up to the Lord to pray for the sins of the people for 40 days and 40 nights (see Exodus 32:30-32, Deuteronomy 9:18)
26th day of the 5th month Moses went down to make two new tablets, his tent was outside the camp (see Exodus 32:34, 33:1-23)
27th day of the 5th month Moses went up the mountain for the 3rd time, with the descent of the Lord and the proclamation of the name of Yahweh (see Exodus 34:1-5, Deuteronomy 10:10)
8th day of the 7th month Moses came down from the mountain with the tablets, which were later placed in the ark (see Exodus 34:28-29)

The "shadow" from the bringing of the tablets of the covenant testifies:

Jesus Christ was born in autumn, on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei.

The Jews did not have the pagan custom of somehow celebrating birthdays. Two righteous men of the Bible, Jeremiah and Job, cursed their birthdays. Two sinners of the Bible, Herod and Pharaoh, celebrated their birthdays, and each of them killed another person on his birthday: Herod killed John the Baptist, Pharaoh executed his baker.

A newborn baby was named on the 8th day after birth, on the day of circumcision. For Jesus, this was the 15th day of the 7th month of Tishrei, the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot).

People first heard the name Jesus on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. It is the name Jesus that is important to us:

The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe. (Proverbs 18:10)

The name Jesus became the "tabernacles", the "booths" where we live in His name, having come out of the "Egypt" of this world. Now it should be clear to us why in the future all nations will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles together with the Jews: Tabernacles is the name day of Jesus Christ.

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16)

Now let us read the Gospel carefully:

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
(Matthew 1:22-25)

How is that possible? In Isaiah's prophecy the name Emmanuel was mentioned, but the baby was named Jesus - was the prophecy fulfilled?

"Emmanuel " means "God is with us." This is not Jesus himself, but the whole society of people who believe in the name of Jesus. This society was born on the day when Jesus was named, on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The first day of the Feast of Tabernacles is the birthday of Emmanuel.

The baby Emmanuel, who unites all believers in the name of Jesus, has already been born, but this name, Emmanuel, has not yet been called upon all of us. The name Emmanuel will be called on the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles, a day the Jews call Simchat Torah, which means the Joy of the Torah or the Triumph of the Law. This day in the future should correspond to the appearance in Israel of the city of Yahweh Shammah, and this will become the "circumcision" for all who are in Christ.

Since we now know that Jesus Christ was born on the 8th day of the 7th month, we can calculate when Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit.

The normal period of human pregnancy is 266-270 days. From the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei back to the 8th day of Hanukkah, the 2nd day of the 10th month of Tevet, 271 days. What is the eighth day of Hanukkah, the 2nd day of the 10th month, famous for in the Bible?

On the 2nd day of the 10th month, King Artaxerxes placed the royal crown on Esther's head after spending the night with her on the bed.

So Esther was taken unto king Ahasuerus into his house royal in the tenth month, which is the month Tebeth, in the seventh year of his reign.
And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown upon her head, and made her queen instead of Vashti.
(Esther 2:16,17)

So, the date of Jesus' birth in the fall is confirmed from all sides: both by the explanation of the meaning of the Feast of Tabernacles and by the connection with the women's holiday of Hanukkah. But how do Jews celebrate Tabernacles today?

Since the beginning of a new day according to Jewish custom occurs in the evening, then in the evening they spend the first festive meal in the booths, and they also spend the night there before the 15th day of the month of Tishrei. And if we now know that the booths symbolize the name of Jesus, in Whom we are saved, and the circumcision of the baby was during the day, and not in the evening or at night, then how can we spend the night "in the name of Jesus" when the name has not yet been named? The name Jesus was named during the day, not at night!

Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the Lord your God seven days.
And ye shall keep it a feast unto the Lord seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
(Leviticus 23:39:42)

The Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated by law for 8 days, and if we follow Jewish tradition, then the last, seventh night between the 7th and 8th day will already be outside the tabernacles. It would be normal if the 7 nights in the tabernacles were located between the first and eighth days, but this is only possible when our day begins in the morning.

 

[Galgal]

Generally speaking, the Bible contains direct indications that the boundary between the past and present day passes through night.

And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
(Genesis 19:33,34)

they made their father drink wine that night … And it came to pass on the morrow - The border of a new day is somewhere between night and daytime

And God came to Laban the Syrian in a dream by night, and said unto him, Take heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad.
Then Laban overtook Jacob. Now Jacob had pitched his tent in the mount: and Laban with his brethren pitched in the mount of Gilead.
And Laban said to Jacob, What hast thou done, that thou hast stolen away unawares to me, and carried away my daughters, as captives taken with the sword?
Wherefore didst thou flee away secretly, and steal away from me; and didst not tell me, that I might have sent thee away with mirth, and with songs, with tabret, and with harp?
And hast not suffered me to kiss my sons and my daughters? thou hast now done foolishly in so doing.
It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt: but the God of your father spake unto me yesternight, saying, Take thou heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad.
(Genesis 31:24-29)

… God came to Laban the Syrian in a dream by night … but the God of your father spake unto me yesternight - The border between yesterday and today is somewhere in the morning.

Because the day begins in the morning, the law specifically stipulates that the fast on Yom Kippur must begin on the evening of the previous day, on the evening of the 9th day of the 7th month:

Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.
For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
(Leviticus 23:27-32)

I know someone will object to me:

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1:5)

First it says about the evening, and then about the morning.

This is the house that Jack built: it had a roof and it had a foundation. Anyone who thinks that Jack built the roof first is mistaken. First came the morning, then the evening. The Poet simply decided to write about the roof first.

 

[ewq1938]

Even little children know that the day begins in the morning.

Little children aren't very smart though. Adults know that.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

 

[ewq1938]

It's not much different even today. The new day starts at midnight, in the dark.

 

[Galgal]

Little children aren't very smart though. Adults know that.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Why did you start with the second day? Let's start with the first, and at the same time tell us about the evening of that day that never happened.

 

[Galgal]

It's not much different even today. The new day starts at midnight, in the dark.

At midnight it is acceptable. In general, the logic of the beginning of a new day is that when we wake up, we open our eyes and see a new day. The question of the beginning of a new day is a question, and at what time do people start waking up?

 

[ewq1938]

At midnight it is acceptable. In general, the logic of the beginning of a new day is that when we wake up, we open our eyes and see a new day.

And is this science still true for those who wake up at 4am or 5am when it's still dark? Or when someone sleeps in til noon?


Truth is the bible and even today, a day starts at night. The Ot and Jews counted an evening as the start of a day and we start the day at midnight.

The question of the beginning of a new day is a question, and at what time do people start waking up?

When people wake up differs and even if they woke up at 7am, the day had likely already started.

 

[ewq1938]

Why did you start with the second day?

Because the bible but you already knew that so why ask?

 

[Galgal]

Truth is the bible and even today, a day starts at night. The Ot and Jews counted an evening as the start of a day and we start the day at midnight.

The truth is not the Bible, but the Word of God, Jesus Christ.

My wife explained it this way: she planted roses all day until evening, night came and she went to bed, then morning came, and when she woke up and went to plant other roses, the next day came. "And the evening and the morning were" refers to the end of the day in the morning.

 

[Gottservant]

You can claim relevance all you want, I would like to see a quote or some significant celebration date that points out there would be a - spiritual - reason for the birth being such and such.

We may not know for sure, until we reach Heaven?

I have trouble believing Jesus' arrest was on Wednesday - so you'll have to work with me, if you want me to be convinced?

 

[Galgal]

You can claim relevance all you want, I would like to see a quote or some significant celebration date that points out there would be a - spiritual - reason for the birth being such and such.

We may not know for sure, until we reach Heaven?

I have trouble believing Jesus' arrest was on Wednesday - so you'll have to work with me, if you want me to be convinced?

The problem of understanding Scripture correctly is your problem. I am not interested in convincing anyone that he himself should be able to learn from God.

 

[Galgal]

On October 10, 2024, comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) emerged from the lower part of the "womb" of the constellation Virgo. This happened on the birthday of Jesus Christ, the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Interesting, even though it sounds like another Jehovah Witness theory ... ?
However, the origin of the word Tishri means beginning. On Rosh Hashanah ( Tishri 1), Jews celebrate the Creation of the Earth, ( Adam on the sixth day).
Since Jesus is the second Adam, and Tishri is the month of creation, it stands to reason that Jesus was born on the same day Adam was created. Other calculations are derived from Rev. 12, the Constellation Virgo, "a woman, clothed in the sun, with the moon at her feet and a garland of 12 stars around her head". This passage also points to a child born at this time. That particular constellation happened very rarely. 9-23-2017 was a recent date, but traced back in time, 9-11-3BC was another time.
Tishri 1_ in the year 3 BC on the Gregorian calendar, was Sept. 11.
One may think Satan might know that day and actually bad things have happened throughout history as well on that day- his retaliation I guess.

Regardless of when Jesus was born, Christiandom celebrates it on Dec. 25. It does not matter, we selected a day, since it was uncertain. And if the Holy Spirit had a problem with that day of celebration, we would not experience the love, joy, peace, communion received by the world and given by God on that day!
JW's deprive themselves much in life given by God - fellowship from 2.7 billion Christians ( the Body of Christ) and likely fellowship of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Galgal]

Interesting, even though it sounds like another Jehovah Witness theory ... ?
However, the origin of the word Tishri means beginning. On Rosh Hashanah ( Tishri 1), Jews celebrate the Creation of the Earth, ( Adam on the sixth day).
Since Jesus is the second Adam, and Tishri is the month of creation, it stands to reason that Jesus was born on the same day Adam was created. Other calculations are derived from Rev. 12, the Constellation Virgo, "a woman, clothed in the sun, with the moon at her feet and a garland of 12 stars around her head". This passage also points to a child born at this time. That particular constellation happened very rarely. 9-23-2017 was a recent date, but traced back in time, 9-11-3BC was another time.
Tishri 1_ in the year 3 BC on the Gregorian calendar, was Sept. 11.
One may think Satan might know that day and actually bad things have happened throughout history as well on that day- his retaliation I guess.

Regardless of when Jesus was born, Christiandom celebrates it on Dec. 25. It does not matter, we selected a day, since it was uncertain. And if the Holy Spirit had a problem with that day of celebration, we would not experience the love, joy, peace, communion received by the world and given by God on that day!
JW's deprive themselves much in life given by God - fellowship from 2.7 billion Christians ( the Body of Christ) and likely fellowship of the Holy Spirit.

It is better not to celebrate anything at all than to celebrate the birthday of the Antichrist. If the real Jesus was born on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei, then on December 25th was born the one who became an idol in the "temple of the living God" since the 4th century.

It is better to be without any communication than in communication with fornicators.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It is better not to celebrate anything at all than to celebrate the birthday of the Antichrist. If the real Jesus was born on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei, then on December 25th was born the one who became an idol in the "temple of the living God" since the 4th century.

It is better to be without any communication than in communication with fornicators.

Whatever you feel is better for you ...
The Holy Spirit guides the born again Christian and teaches all TRUTH about Christ.
The Israelites had seven feasts they celebrated. For Christians, there are no restrictions for celebrating anything good Gid has given us.
The Birth of Christ was one of the most important events ever. If one was to celebrate anything, that should be on the top of the list. His resurrection was the first Christian feast/ celebration, then Pentecost.and we have added many, all with gratitude towards our Creator and giver of all things that are good!

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. COL. 2:16

 

[Galgal]

Whatever you feel is better for you ...
The Holy Spirit guides the born again Christian and teaches all TRUTH about Christ.
The Israelites had seven feasts they celebrated. For Christians, there are no restrictions for celebrating anything good Gid has given us.
The Birth of Christ was one of the most important events ever. If one was to celebrate anything, that should be on the top of the list. His resurrection was the first Christian feast/ celebration, then Pentecost.and we have added many, all with gratitude towards our Creator and giver of all things that are good!

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. COL. 2:16

It is not good when a person follows tradition without understanding God.

And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. (Ezekiel 8:16)

25 men - December 25, bow to the idol of the sun, stand with their backs to God. This is today's Christianity.

They do not believe the Scriptures, they do not have the spirit of truth, they do not understand God. Where will they come? To Armageddon.

Who took the place in the "temple of the living God"? The man of sin, the lawless one. Because the real Jesus is not at all like most Christians imagine. The real Jesus was born in the fall, not in the winter. The real Jesus did not teach the "trinity." The real Jesus did not command tithes to be taken from the uncircumcision. The real Jesus did not abolish the law. The real Jesus did not teach the Sabbath, nor did he command the Sabbath to be transferred to Sunday. Now God will expose the false Jesus. There will be great sorrow for those who believed in another Christ.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It is not good when a person follows tradition without understanding God.

And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. (Ezekiel 8:16)

25 men - December 25, bow to the idol of the sun, stand with their backs to God. This is today's Christianity.

They do not believe the Scriptures, they do not have the spirit of truth, they do not understand God. Where will they come? To Armageddon.

Who took the place in the "temple of the living God"? The man of sin, the lawless one. Because the real Jesus is not at all like most Christians imagine. The real Jesus was born in the fall, not in the winter. The real Jesus did not teach the "trinity." The real Jesus did not command tithes to be taken from the uncircumcision. The real Jesus did not abolish the law. The real Jesus did not teach the Sabbath, nor did he command the Sabbath to be transferred to Sunday. Now God will expose the false Jesus. There will be great sorrow for those who believed in another Christ.

In 1900, there were 500 million Christians worldwide (about 1/3 of the population at the time). Now there are some 2.7 billion (again, about 1/3). That's growth. That is the Holy Spirit working.
God is sovereign, has a perfect plan that is moving along on schedule. Satan cannot disrupt His plan nor snatch any sheep out of His hand.

Let's look at the Ezek. 8:16. Do you even know where the current Temple of the Lord is? You would have to be baptized by the Holy Spirit. Have you asked for Him in prayer? .

 

[Galgal]

So you are a JW, since you didn't deny it (which any other Christian would immediately deny if they were falsely identified as one).
You guys spend almost as much time trying to defame Christiandom as you do knocking on doors. It has been noted that just in the USA alone JW's log millions of hours per year knocking on doors. That's pretty impressive given there are only 1.2 million in the US. One would think their numbers would be larger; but their growth is at a snails pace. Since 1900 they have barely 9 million members worldwide. That's not growth. God had a plan long ago ( to save a remnant 1/3).
In 1900, there were 500 million Christians worldwide (about 1/3 of the population at the time). Now there are some 2.7 billion (again, about 1/3). That's growth. That is the Holy Spirit working. Why doesn't He grow the JW.org? Many false doctrines. But God is merciful. He will forgive false doctrines about Christ but beware of blaspheming the Holy Spirit!

Let's look at the Ezek. 8:16. Do you even know where the current Temple of the Lord is? You would have to be baptized by the Holy Spirit. Have you asked for Him in prayer? No, you think He is a force. Quite a dishonor! This is understandable though since without Him, you lack spiritual discernment - which explains all the false doctrines.
The Comforter, the Helper, the One who teaches, guides, sanctifies, edifies, loves, gives gifts, listens, speaks ... you think is just a force? Omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence is required to accomplish those actions.

I have been to a JW water baptism. Nothing is said during this empty ritual. No scriptures are read, or prayers uttered during what is suppose to be a sacred, Divine baltism.
We are to he baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit. Can you count?
Furthermore you believe in Christ and obey Him; BUT do not worship Him, because you think he is Michael incarnate. Whoever came up with that conclusion Isa bonehead! HE IS GLORIFIED AS GOD. Part of His glory is that He is worshipped in heaven and on earth.
Every knee will bow to His name and eventually _ when it hits you _ you will too.

You are mistaken. I have never been a Jehovah's Witness. I am not a member of any religious denominations or organizations.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not know anything about the fact that Jesus was born on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei. They do not understand the Scriptures, just like most other Christians. Unfortunately.

If you are wondering where I am from, God first led me to a congregation of evangelical Christians-Baptists. After 9 months, the Holy Spirit forbade me to attend this congregation, because He showed me the abomination of desolation there. After that, the Lord led me to a house church, we did not have a denomination. We had fellowship and broke bread with Christians, not paying attention to their denominational affiliation. Perhaps thanks to this, I was able to learn a lot from God.

God understands Jehovah's Witnesses, but you do not understand them. God accepts Catholics, accepts Orthodox. God spoke to the Zoroastrian magicians whom He sent with gifts to the baby Jesus. Unfortunately, most Christians are unable to step over the boundaries of their human traditions. Denominations are created by Satan to crucify the Body of Christ. It is sad that everyone participates in this shameful deed to their own extent.

I don't care what religion a person is in. It is important where this person lives now, on earth in his denomination - or in heaven in Jesus Christ. The border is not on the earth, the border between earth and heaven. This border is called the firmament of the Holy Spirit, on which all who live in heaven rely.

There is not a single Baptist in heaven, not a single Pentecostal, not a single Jehovah's Witness, no Orthodox, no Catholic - there are other criteria. Those who fulfill the law, who fulfill Matthew 5-6-7, they will be saved.

 

[Galgal]

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. COL. 2:16

The Jews condemned the Colossians for NOT PARTICIPATING in the holidays, new moons and Sabbaths. Not for participating, but for not participating.

The apostles forbade us to eat food sacrificed to idols. If Christmas on December 25 is the feast of an idol, the birthday of the Roman sun god, then what do people eat during this feast if not food sacrificed to idols?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I have never been a Jehovah's Witness.

Good, my mistake, I'll retract my post.

I am not a member of any religious denominations or organizations.

You did not stay long enough in church to learn to love the congregation. We ate ti love the Body of Christ, which I did mention, is huge. Apparenting you think it is just a tiny group? You judge the whole Body of believers - just like Jehovah Witnesses. You have this disdain and hatred. By their fruit, you will know them and love and caring for others is a big part of it. You disown, dishonor and disassociate with Christian domestic because they celebrate Christmas. I think Satan us the one who pulled you out of church and redirected you to hate us.

If you are wondering where I am from, God first led me to a congregation of evangelical Christians-Baptists. After 9 months, the Holy Spirit forbade me to attend this congregation, because He showed me the abomination of desolation there.

That's funny, Baptists are not considered under the category of Evangelical Christian churches. So you are already confused You have no idea what the abomination of desolation is since that is something that Jews experienced with Antiochus Epiphanes and then a future event _ in Israel _ that has not happenned yet. Look up abomination in scripture, ( what or who is detestable to God); then look up desolation (mass murder caused by war).

Unfortunately, most Christians are unable to step over the boundaries of their human traditions. Denominations are created by Satan ...

You seem to create boundaries. Are you a legalistic. I see a menorah as your avatar. Former Jew?
God is sovereign. He has a perfect plan that man cannot mess up. His primary purpose is fir His chosen sheep to be reconciled to God through Christ. The remnant number 1/3 has been his plan that throughout history and currently reflects the number of Christians saved. A remnant Jewish population will be saved as well sion ( Rom. 11, Rev. 7 &14)
Zechariah 13:8 in the Bible says, "And it shall come to pass that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die, but the third shall be left therein"

I don't care what religion a person is in. It is important where this person lives now, on earth in his denomination - or in heaven in Jesus Christ.

I live on earth now and someday will be in heaven. I am " in Christ" spiritually. Are you claiming to be in heaven? Really ... what do you see, what does it look like? Describe it please.

This border is called the firmament of the Holy Spirit, on which all who live in heaven rely.

Where did you get that theology? The Holy Spirit lives in our temple ( that is those who have been born again.). The firmament is our physical atmosphere. The Holy Spirit and the spiritual realm is not confined by the physical realm.

There is not a single Baptist in heaven, not a single Pentecostal, not a single Jehovah's Witness, no Orthodox, no Catholic - there are other criteria

Really, so again, what and who do you see in heaven? Hating and judging all if Christiandom is actually Satan's scheme,.leading many away from the love.