14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus used the same phrase in many other parables - were they actual people and factual stories too?!

The parable of the good Samaritan, Luke 10:30 (WEB):

(30) Jesus answered, “A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.​

The parable of the rich fool, Luke 12:16 (WEB):

(16) He spoke a parable to them, saying, “The ground of a certain rich man produced abundantly.​

The parable of the barren fig tree, Luke 13:6 (WEB):

(6) He spoke this parable. “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it, and found none.​

The parable of the great banquet, Luke 14:16 (WEB):

(16) But he said to him, “A certain man made a great supper, and he invited many people.​

The parable of the prodigal son, Luke 15:11 (WEB):

(11) He said, “A certain man had two sons.​

The parable of the dishonest manager - this is in the same chapter, just before the rich man and Lazarus parable, Luke 16:1 (WEB):

(1) He also said to his disciples, “There was a certain rich man who had a manager. An accusation was made to him that this man was wasting his possessions.​

Jesus spoke plainly to his disciples, but to everyone else he spoke in parables, as in the case of the rich man and Lazarus parable (spoken to the Pharisees). Mark 4:11-13 (WEB):

(11) He said to them, “To you is given the mystery of God’s Kingdom, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables,​

(12) that ‘seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest perhaps they should turn again, and their sins should be forgiven them.’”​

(13) He said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How will you understand all of the parables?​

Your first fault is using the WEB as the final authority for you to mbase your decisions on.

It is not a literal translation but what is called a "formal equivalence" which allows for the translators to add or subtract they felt were not needed..

There is nothing in Luke 10 to designate the good samaritan as a parable.

Luke 12 is declared a parable.

Luke 13 is declared a parable

Luke 14 is declared a parable.

Luke 15, nothing designates this as a parable.

Luke 16 both accounts. NOthing designates these as parables.

Jesus foreknew teh trouble many have thinking these are parables. He is not sloppy with Words nor with Grammar.

I believe Jesus says what He means and means what He says. when He said there was a certain man- I am convinced there was a certain man.

Taking out the three I cited, all parables are either said to be parables, or use comparative language to designate He is making a comparison of the kingdom to something on earth.

There is nothing on those three that hints like all others they are mere stories.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Rockerduck,

I am just gonna put you on ignore, man. You have a good rest of your day. You're ignoring the whole conversation. All the best to you.

 

[Lizbeth]

d

BY CORRECTLY CONCLUDING that the story of Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable, we maintain Scriptural harmony, discern a valuable lesson from its interpretation, and put an end to its illegitimate use as a "proof text" for the doctrine of Eternal Torment - because any Bible scholar worth his salt knows we can't substantiate a doctrine on an uninterpreted parable. Here are 14 irresolvable contradictions which result from attempts to make the passage literal:

1. DISEMBODIED BODIES?
The Eternal Torment crowd claims when a person dies his body is buried, but “his disembodied soul" leaves this world to points beyond without a body - so, why do the Rich Man, Lazarus, and Abraham have eyes, fingers, tongues, bosoms, legs to carry a warning, etc.? Obviously, "disembodied souls" by definition do not have bodies, and thus can't have eyes, tongues, fingers, bosoms, etc.

Now, before anyone jumps to any conclusions, we need to remember that 2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV plainly identifies only two types of bodies - the mortal and the resurrection - and that's the only two types of bodies God's Bible knows about. There's no mention in Scripture of any third type “interim body” for the dead prior to the resurrection, so extra-Biblical ideas about a "disembodied body" or "ghost body" or "temporary body" are pure fiction and warrant no consideration whatsoever.

2. ABRAHAM'S LITERAL BOSOM?
Lazarus was carried “into Abraham's bosom" - are we to believe all the righteous dead up until that time have been carried into Abraham's literal bosom? How big can Abraham's bosom be?

Now, those who claim “Abraham's Bosom” is a literal, actual name for “heaven” or “paradise” need to read Luke 16:23 KJV which says the Rich Man sees Abraham afar off and Lazarus "in his bosom” - in the bosom of the man himself - which is physiological, not geographical.

3. LYING EYES?
The Rich Man is able to see “Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom” aka “place of comfort” aka “the kingdom” - but Jesus Himself said the wicked won't see the righteous in the kingdom until the end, in the Judgment, when the wicked are told to “depart”. Yet, here we find Lazarus and Abraham in full view of the Rich Man.

Now, for those who claim these dead guys are actually in some supposed “holding chamber” next door to hell called “paradise” (now that we've seen “Abraham's Bosom” is a purely fictitious place), we must remember that “paradise” is easily shown from the Scriptures themselves to be where God is up there, not anywhere near hell down here.

4. THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANYTHING
(Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV; Job 14:21 KJV; Psalm 146:4 KJV)

These dead guys sure seem to know a whole lot for people who aren't supposed to know anything.

5. THE DEAD DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING
(Psalms 6:5 KJV; Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV; Psalms 88:12 KJV)

These dead guys are sure able to remember a whole lot for people who aren't supposed to remember anything.

6. THE DEAD DON'T HAVE EMOTIONS
(Ecclesiastes 9:6 KJV; Proverbs 10:28 KJV)

These dead guys do a great job of demonstrating loving concern and also condescending disdain for people who aren't supposed to be able to have emotions.

7. THE DEAD DON'T PERFORM WORK
(Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV; John 9:4 KJV)

The dead Rich Man mustn't have gotten the memo that Lazarus had finished his shift and clocked out - permanently.

8. THE DEAD DON'T DEVISE ANYTHING
(Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV)

The dead Rich Man was well able to devise a plan to warn his brothers for someone unable to do so.

9. THE DEAD DON'T HAVE WISDOM
(Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV; Proverbs 2:6 KJV)

Dead Abraham was well able give wise testimony about the convicting power of the Word of God for someone unable to do so.

10. THE DEAD DON'T PRAISE GOD
(Isaiah 38:18 KJV; Psalms 115:17 KJV; Psalms 88:11 KJV)

Dead Abraham sure spoke highly of God's Word for someone unable to do so.

11. THE DEAD ARE IN DARKNESS
(Psalms 88:12 KJV; Job 10:21-22 KJV)

These dead guys must all have been wearing night vision goggles to see through all that darkness.

12. THE DEAD ARE IN SILENCE
(Psalms 115:17 KJV; Psalm 31:17 KJV)

These dead guys were loud enough to wake the rest of the dead what with all that shouting back and forth at each other across that great gulf.

13. THE DEAD ARE ASLEEP
(Psalms 13:3 KJV; Ephesians 5:14 KJV; John 11:11-14 KJV)

These dead guys are fully awake and aware of their surroundings, especially the thirsty guy whose completely engulfed in flames of torment.

14. THE DEAD ARE RESERVED FOR FUTURE TORMENT
(2 Peter 2:9 KJV; Revelation 20:10 KJV)

The dead Rich Man must have been pretty bad to find himself immediately in flames of torment since God Himself says He's “reserved the unjust unto the day of Judgment to be punished”.

I believe the parable may be alluding to the ultimate judgment and destination of the soul, one to be punished and the other to his reward and compensation for his suffering in this life. Both are presumed to be God's people but one is a picture of being judged in this life so that he will not be judged with the world, and the other who belonged to God but was not doing His will at all, but living selfishly for himself, did not end up where he assumed he would. Because of God's promises under the Law, many Jews assumed that being personally blessed with material blessings in this life was a sign of God's approval....while the poor were often looked down upon and not helped or shown mercy because of an assumption that they were poor and cursed and being punished by God because of personal failings. Jesus speaking to the Jews was warning and correcting that merciless attitude with His parable. "To the Jew first, then the Gentile".......so the church also needs to take warning from it.

 

[Grailhunter]

BY CORRECTLY CONCLUDING that the story of Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable, we maintain Scriptural harmony, discern a valuable lesson from its interpretation, and put an end to its illegitimate use as a "proof text" for the doctrine of Eternal Torment - because any Bible scholar worth his salt knows we can't substantiate a doctrine on an uninterpreted parable. Here are 14 irresolvable contradictions which result from attempts to make the passage literal:

1. DISEMBODIED BODIES?
The Eternal Torment crowd claims when a person dies his body is buried, but “his disembodied soul" leaves this world to points beyond without a body - so, why do the Rich Man, Lazarus, and Abraham have eyes, fingers, tongues, bosoms, legs to carry a warning, etc.? Obviously, "disembodied souls" by definition do not have bodies, and thus can't have eyes, tongues, fingers, bosoms, etc.

Now, before anyone jumps to any conclusions, we need to remember that 2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV plainly identifies only two types of bodies - the mortal and the resurrection - and that's the only two types of bodies God's Bible knows about. There's no mention in Scripture of any third type “interim body” for the dead prior to the resurrection, so extra-Biblical ideas about a "disembodied body" or "ghost body" or "temporary body" are pure fiction and warrant no consideration whatsoever.

2. ABRAHAM'S LITERAL BOSOM?
Lazarus was carried “into Abraham's bosom" - are we to believe all the righteous dead up until that time have been carried into Abraham's literal bosom? How big can Abraham's bosom be?

Now, those who claim “Abraham's Bosom” is a literal, actual name for “heaven” or “paradise” need to read Luke 16:23 KJV which says the Rich Man sees Abraham afar off and Lazarus "in his bosom” - in the bosom of the man himself - which is physiological, not geographical.

3. LYING EYES?
The Rich Man is able to see “Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom” aka “place of comfort” aka “the kingdom” - but Jesus Himself said the wicked won't see the righteous in the kingdom until the end, in the Judgment, when the wicked are told to “depart”. Yet, here we find Lazarus and Abraham in full view of the Rich Man.

Now, for those who claim these dead guys are actually in some supposed “holding chamber” next door to hell called “paradise” (now that we've seen “Abraham's Bosom” is a purely fictitious place), we must remember that “paradise” is easily shown from the Scriptures themselves to be where God is up there, not anywhere near hell down here.

4. THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANYTHING
(Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV; Job 14:21 KJV; Psalm 146:4 KJV)

These dead guys sure seem to know a whole lot for people who aren't supposed to know anything.

5. THE DEAD DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING
(Psalms 6:5 KJV; Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV; Psalms 88:12 KJV)

These dead guys are sure able to remember a whole lot for people who aren't supposed to remember anything.

6. THE DEAD DON'T HAVE EMOTIONS
(Ecclesiastes 9:6 KJV; Proverbs 10:28 KJV)

These dead guys do a great job of demonstrating loving concern and also condescending disdain for people who aren't supposed to be able to have emotions.

7. THE DEAD DON'T PERFORM WORK
(Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV; John 9:4 KJV)

The dead Rich Man mustn't have gotten the memo that Lazarus had finished his shift and clocked out - permanently.

8. THE DEAD DON'T DEVISE ANYTHING
(Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV)

The dead Rich Man was well able to devise a plan to warn his brothers for someone unable to do so.

9. THE DEAD DON'T HAVE WISDOM
(Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV; Proverbs 2:6 KJV)

Dead Abraham was well able give wise testimony about the convicting power of the Word of God for someone unable to do so.

10. THE DEAD DON'T PRAISE GOD
(Isaiah 38:18 KJV; Psalms 115:17 KJV; Psalms 88:11 KJV)

Dead Abraham sure spoke highly of God's Word for someone unable to do so.

11. THE DEAD ARE IN DARKNESS
(Psalms 88:12 KJV; Job 10:21-22 KJV)

These dead guys must all have been wearing night vision goggles to see through all that darkness.

12. THE DEAD ARE IN SILENCE
(Psalms 115:17 KJV; Psalm 31:17 KJV)

These dead guys were loud enough to wake the rest of the dead what with all that shouting back and forth at each other across that great gulf.

13. THE DEAD ARE ASLEEP
(Psalms 13:3 KJV; Ephesians 5:14 KJV; John 11:11-14 KJV)

These dead guys are fully awake and aware of their surroundings, especially the thirsty guy whose completely engulfed in flames of torment.

14. THE DEAD ARE RESERVED FOR FUTURE TORMENT
(2 Peter 2:9 KJV; Revelation 20:10 KJV)

The dead Rich Man must have been pretty bad to find himself immediately in flames of torment since God Himself says He's “reserved the unjust unto the day of Judgment to be punished”.

In college they gave us 300 examples of apparent biblical contradictions and errors and told us to solve them…harmonize them. He told us that when we were done we would be surprised how much we had learnt.

We each got around 20 to solve in the Old and New Testament. At first we thought to take them back to the actual scriptures, but what he had handed out was true to the scriptures

So we considered the context of the scriptures….what their purpose was….You take some of earliest scriptures that Moses was putting together….without benefit of communication, stories that most likely came forward as oral traditions. Stories about Adam and Eve are going to be vague and inconsistent….. Or in this case he provided two stories from different perspectives.

Christ and the Apostles were aware of an eternal fiery place of punishment……But there was no word for it in the Hebrew language or the Greek language. The Old Testament was completely unaware of an eternal fiery place of punishment. As it is the Jews today do not believe in an eternal fiery place of punishment or the Devil.

But some of the Jews in the New Testament believed in an eternal fiery place of punishment and the Devil. Why? That is a story in itself. And Christ and the Apostles knew there was an eternal fiery place of punishment and the Devil. But Christ and the Apostles did not have a word for this horrible place.

Christ used the illustration of Gehenna….a burning trash dump in a valley to represent the eternal fiery place of punishment. The closest thing to a place of punishment in the Greek was Hades, but Hades was a Greco-Roman god and he reigned over a place of punishment of the same name. But Hades was more of a prison than a place of punishment or torture ….no fire. But is was the closest thing they had, so they used it. So “Christian Greek” was born. The Greek language understandably did not have Christian theological words….so they would use the closest word and modify the meaning. The word sin is a good example of this. For the Romans….sin meant they missed their target….The Christians modified the meaning to mean a transgression against God.

In this era story telling was like us watching a show of great adventure and a good story teller would captivate large audiences. A lot of these stories had a meaning.

When Christ told stories they were called parables. When you read these parables do not expect them to be factual in every respect, it is more important to understand the meaning or the message. The story/parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a good example, there is a lot going on there that is not realistic, it is the message that count.

That does not mean that the scriptures are not accurate, but when it comes to stories/parable they are not intended to be accurate and these parables should not be counted as contradictions or errors in this respect. In other words the storyline may not be factual but the meaning is true.

Eventually this place of eternal fiery torment came to be called Hell…. The word "hell" comes from the Old English word hel, which was first used around 725 AD to refer to the underworld. Hel comes from the Proto-Germanic word xaljō or haljō, which means "concealed place" or "the underworld". The word has cognates in other Germanic languages, including Old Norse hel, Old Frisian helle, Old Saxon hellia, Old High German hella, and Gothic halja.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The Greek "tis" could also be translated as "some".

"There was some rich man..." Has a "Once upon a time" feel to it, doesn't it?

Nope. Jesus was telling us about an actual rich man and an actual beggar.

Jesus used the same phrase in many other parables - were they actual people and factual stories too?!

Yes because a parable is a teaching and Jesus is not a liar.

I's hate to be you on judgement day trying to explain to the Lord how some of His teachings are just made up garbage that we should ignore. What a crock!

And we'll count you among those who check their brains at the door when they walk in church.

I didn't get much Truth from church... I got it from God's Word.

Too bad you think Jesus is a liar. Shameful!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I am just gonna put you on ignore, man.

Kitchen getting too hot and you got to run away?

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus was SENT to earth to accomplish a mission.

Jesus SPEAKING in “parables” WAS in part HOW He was to accomplish His mission.

Generally, broadly men hearing a PARABLE…scrutinize the “moral, lesson, the Parable “ intends….whether or not the “story” is true or fictional.

HOWEVER…it HAS ZERO consequence regarding WHATEVER “category” (parable, fable, poem, song, bedtime story, rhyme, etc.) JESUS SPOKE….

BeCAUSE….He could NOT LIE! Period.

Glory to God,
Taken

Claiming that the Rich Man and Lazarus story was not real no more makes Jesus a liar than claiming Jotham's story was a parable makes him a liar.

Jotham's "talking trees" symbolic imagery is used to make a point that his enemies chose a fool for a leader.

Jesus' "consciousness in death" symbolic imagery is used to make the point that if the Jews ("Rich Man") don't get their act together, God will take the Great Commission from them and give it to the Gentiles ("Lazarus") via the church.

Both parables use impossible imagery to get their respective points across.

 

[keithr]

I's hate to be you on judgement day trying to explain to the Lord how some of His teachings are just made up garbage that we should ignore. What a crock!

I have never made that claim, so why would I say that to Jesus? Do you realise that to commit a libel is a sin? Exodus 20:16 (WEB):

(16) “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.​

 

[Phoneman777]

Oh, who told you that? I'd ask for my money back.

According to Genesis 2:7 KJV, the Living Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and Breath of Life. The below example should suffice to convince even a fool that a whole can't be simultaneously assembled and disassembled - nor can a whole continue to exist as such after disassembly:

Body + Breath of Life = Living Soul (comes into existence)
Body - Breath of Life = Dead Soul (goes out of existence)

Bulb + Electricity = Light (comes into existence)
Bulb - Electricity = No Light (goes out of existence)

Sure, man becomes a "Living soul" by being born into a human body. But if you remember your scripture, the spirit and soul are tied together and inseparable by man.

Are you sure?

Jesus soul "was not left in hell".
(His soul went DOWN)

Jesus' spirit ascended "into Thy hands".
(His spirit went UP)

"For the Word of God is quick and powerful..even to the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit".
(The soul and spirit can be divided as surely as bone marrow can be divided from a joint)

"And so the dust shall return to the Earth as it was and the spirit shall return to God Who gave it."
(Unlike the spirit, the "soul" cannot return to God for the same reason you and I can't return to the moon.

In order to return to a place, you must first have been there.

And if your spirit leaves the body, the soul goes with it. The body gets buried.

I think the above texts disprove that "the soul goes with" the spirit when it leaves the body...right or wrong?

I mean, are these verses not clear enough? Is there any other way to interpret them than the way I do? No, there isn't.

 

[Phoneman777]

Will have to (somewhat) disagree.

Everything God Created Will EXIST Forever…

You sure about that? I see a distinct lack of textual evidence for such a statement. Meanwhile, here's what the experts say about what you just said:


R. F. Weymouth, one of the most authoritative Greek scholars in modern history:
“My mind fails to conceive a grosser misrepresentation of language than when five or six of the strongest words the Greek tongue possesses, signifying to destroy or destruction, are explained to mean, 'maintain and everlasting but wretched existence'. To translate 'black' as 'white' is nothing to this.”

(His commentary on 1 Corinthians 15:18 KJV)
“By 'perish', the apostle (Paul) means 'pass out of existence'.”

(His commentary on Hebrews 9:28 KJV)
“The use in the NT of such words as 'death', 'destruction', 'fire', 'perish', to describe Future Retribution point to likelihood of fearful anguish followed by extinction of being.”

Also, scholars agree that "leave them neither root nor branch" was a proverbial expression for "complete and total destruction". That's why the Bible calls God's end time destruction "His strange work" and "His strange act" - because it's contrary to the nature of our CREATOR to destroy anything, hence the description "strange" for the coming destruction...understand?

 

[amigo de christo]

I think it has to be a parable. What is the rich man's name?

But it spells out a spiritual reality and biblical principles, so it is very true.

correct . JESUS used parables to do this . Just cause its a parable dont mean its not true . very good my friend .
Such a place exists and all who deny JESUS the CHRIST will face the second death lake o fire . a place of torment .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think it has to be a parable. What is the rich man's name?

But it spells out a spiritual reality and biblical principles, so it is very true.

As with all his parables they were true and used as an example .
What was the lesson to learn in the parable of the ten virgins .
The five wise , the five foolish .
THE WISE are ready and watching and the unwise are not
and that WHEN THE DOOR slameth shut , WHEN CHRIST cometh for the saints
ALL who were not ready , watching , BELIEVING JESUS , well ITS TOO LATE .
the warning is ITS TOO LATE . notice the five foolish NEVER GOT LET IT IN .
its a parable to summarize BE YE READY AND WATCHING for ye KNOW NOT the HOUR your LORD DO COME .

 

[Phoneman777]

YOu tossed out all integrity by your not subtle accusation against millions of believers.

Since when has truth been popular?

In the garden of Eden, Cain and "the wicked one" went after Abel.

In Noah's day, the crowd drowned.

In Nehemiah's day, the crowd stayed behind in Babylon.

In Jesus' day, the crowd shouted, "Crucify Him!"

In 70 A.D., the crowd that stayed behind instead of fleeing wound up crucified or dragged off.

"THE CROWD HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT!" - Pastor C. D. Brooks

 

[amigo de christo]

Since when has truth been popular?

In the garden of Eden, Cain and "the wicked one" went after Abel.

In Noah's day, the crowd drowned.

In Nehemiah's day, the crowd stayed behind in Babylon.

In Jesus' day, the crowd shouted, "Crucify Him!"

In 70 A.D., the crowd that stayed behind instead of fleeing wound up crucified or dragged off.

"THE CROWD HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT!" - Pastor C. D. Brooks

so why are many now beleiving a lie and beleiving this lie came of GOD .
THEY will all perish on the DAY of the LORD .
so DO REMEMBER , ONE MUST BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and that all other fairy tales which try and omit THAT FACT , IS A LIE that cannot save anyone .
Avoid the finding common ground interfaith lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

Since when has truth been popular?

In the garden of Eden, Cain and "the wicked one" went after Abel.

In Noah's day, the crowd drowned.

In Nehemiah's day, the crowd stayed behind in Babylon.

In Jesus' day, the crowd shouted, "Crucify Him!"

In 70 A.D., the crowd that stayed behind instead of fleeing wound up crucified or dragged off.

"THE CROWD HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT!" - Pastor C. D. Brooks

Today through a interfaith lie many say aloud , CRUCIFY THE TRUTH OF THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL
and give us our BROAD PATH SIN ACCEPTING ROAD . beleive you me they will not desire to or have desired
to hear WHAT THEY ALL GONNA HEAR ON THE DAY OF CHRIST JESUS .
I NEVER KNEW YOU , DEPART FROM ME INTO EVERLASTING FIRE ...................

 

[Phoneman777]

Who said anything besides you about disemobied bodies? I know they are souls and by what authority do you declare that teh souls of men do not have a recognizable form?

I never said "the souls of men do not have recognizable form". If you want to see "the recognizable form of a soul" simply go look in a mirror.

You are a soul.
I am a soul.
A dog is a soul.
"Every living soul that was in the sea died" refers to living creatures in the sea.

"Soul" simply means "living being" or "creature".

 

[amigo de christo]

Since when has truth been popular?

In the garden of Eden, Cain and "the wicked one" went after Abel.

In Noah's day, the crowd drowned.

In Nehemiah's day, the crowd stayed behind in Babylon.

In Jesus' day, the crowd shouted, "Crucify Him!"

In 70 A.D., the crowd that stayed behind instead of fleeing wound up crucified or dragged off.

"THE CROWD HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT!" - Pastor C. D. Brooks

many have forgotten or never knew
that ALL JUDGMENT has been given unto the SON and by HIS words they shall be judged .
JESUS came to save but many sure seem to want to omit the YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM part , TO BE SAVED .
THEY TROD THE SON UNDER FOOT . woe unto any and unto all who do so and loved a lie of a huge broad road to GOD ,
for that broad sin accepting lie accepting path , ENDS in DESTRUCTION by the very CHRIST they DENIED . keep that in MIND .

 

[amigo de christo]

Kitchen getting too hot and you got to run away? View attachment 52333

any and all who denied JESUS is the CHRIST
and taught another gospel of a broad path to GOD , a sin accepting path , a path that accepted lies
Gonna find a kitchen at their end HOTTER than any place ever seen .
Hells kitchen awaits many and i speak not of NEW YORK city and its kitchen , i speak of the kitchen
that cometh after the death of the body . MANY are TRODDING JESUS NAME under foot dan . MANY
and many of those many are also WITHIN CHRISTENDOM . we in some seriously deadly deceptive days .
AND MANY now follow their persnicious ways by reason of whom , them , the way of TRUTH IS EVIL SPOKEN OF .
i see rainbow jesus , i see koran and budda jesus , i see a jesus getting preached that seems to accept everyones path
to GOD as valid . SO now you understand why i didnt captilize that jesus or its god .
Cause the devil CAN use the even the name of JESUS and YET , he gonna produce a false image OF HIM .

 

[keithr]

Your first fault is using the WEB as the final authority for you to mbase your decisions on.

Who said I was using the WEB as "a final authority"? Or that I base my understanding of Scripture on just that one translation? You are making incorrect assumptions.

It is not a literal translation but what is called a "formal equivalence" which allows for the translators to add or subtract they felt were not needed..

Most Bible versions are not literal translations. So what? Literal translations don't even use the word parable; they use similie or allegory.

There is nothing in Luke 10 to designate the good samaritan as a parable.

Common sense tells us it's parable. The KJV and many other translations insert the heading "The Parable of the Good Samaritan". The 'Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges' Notes say, "25-37. The Parable of the Good Samaritan". I concur with the translators and commentators of those translations. You're in the minority if you think it is not a parable.

Luke 12 is declared a parable.

Ans it uses the exact same phrase, "a certain rich man", as the Luke 16:19 "rich man and Lazarus" parable. Of Luke 16:19 the Cambridge Bible Notes says, "Our Lord in the parable continues the subject of his discourse against the Pharisees, by shewing that wealth and respectability are very differently estimated on earth and in the world beyond. The parable illustrates each step of the previous discourse ...". Barnes Notes says, "The probability is that this narrative is to be considered as a parable, referring not to any particular case which “had” actually happened, but teaching that such cases “might” happen".

 

[Phoneman777]

Too bad you think Jesus is a liar. Shameful!

Claiming the Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable no more makes Jesus a liar than claiming Jotham's "talking trees" is a parable makes him a liar. Both stories contain symbolic impossibilities used to get a point across.

BTW, you guys have no idea how much help you are to me in my efforts to steer people clear from your Immortal Soul/Eternal Torment nonsense. When they watch you fail to answer any my points, the first thing they ask is, "Did he not answer because he has no answer?"

And just like that, the satanic blinders begin to come off.