All the ones who do not know God, all the wicked and proud will be burned up when Christ returns, OT and NT say this

[Scott Downey]

So who then is left?
Only the people of God survive the sudden destruction
All the rest are gone, never to return.
Specifically mentioned as ashes under the feet of the righteous.

I don't read of any unbelievers left to birth any more children.

Malachi 4
1 “For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.

2 Thess 1

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

 

[WPM]

So who then is left?
Only the people of God survive the sudden destruction
All the rest are gone, never to return.
Specifically mentioned as ashes under the feet of the righteous.

I don't read of any unbelievers left to birth any more children.

Malachi 4
1 “For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.

2 Thess 1

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

So true. No survivors!

 

[ewq1938]

So who then is left?
Only the people of God survive the sudden destruction

The bible shows differently:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

 

[WPM]

The bible shows differently:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

How difficult is it to get your head around the fact that we will join Christ in shepherding the nations at the judgment? That is what the word really means. If you would take the time to check the original Greek before posting you would notice that there is no mention of your future imaginary thousand years in those texts.

 

[Scott Downey]

Also nations do not cease.
Some from every tribe nation tongue are saved, people of every nation are saved.
Revelation 21:24
And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
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ewq1938 you said this​

The bible shows differently:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves some mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
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My response is this

Rev 2:26 Is the same as when Christ speaks of ruling over cities in the parable of the minas, and it is a parable.
Those of the nations who did not want Christ to rule them, are slain, they do not survive, get it now?

1. Luke 19:17
   And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Luke 19:19
   Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

3. The Parable of the Minas​

   11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’
   
   15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
   
   20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’
   
   24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

 

[Scott Downey]

They who are not of God, who do not know God are all dead, killed and in hell, burned up, and gone from the earth.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

While the meek (righteous) inherit the earth
Daniel 7 speaks of who inherits.

21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.

27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’
28 “This is the end of the [k]account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”

 

[Scott Downey]

The above in Daniel 7 agrees with Christ and Paul here
To where is Christ coming? He is coming to deliver His saints who are on the earth. Christ actually does come to earth again, He comes a second time for what?

First time came for sin offering Himself up, second time for salvation. Salvation of who from what to give what to who?
Why the people of God, (those who believe) that's who, all those not the people of God are destroyed at the second coming, the only ones left are the saints whom He is glorified in, they admire Him.
No one else admires Him, they did not want Him ruling over them, so they are slain.

Hebrews 9
26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

2 Thess 1
5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

 

[ewq1938]

Those of the nations who did not want Christ to rule them, are slain, they do not survive, get it now?

In Rev 19, which you avoided like the plague, the verb tenses prove that the rule over the nations happens AFTER the slaying at Armageddon.

Do you understand Greek verb tenses?

 

[WPM]

In Rev 19, which you avoided like the plague, the verb tenses prove that the rule over the nations happens AFTER the slaying at Armageddon.

Do you understand Greek verb tenses?

Lol. Do you understand that all flesh are destroyed in Revelation 19. There are no mortal wicked to enter into your imaginary future millennium as the sand of the sea.

 

[jeffweeder]

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

We already have the power to reconcile the world to Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit.

What more do you think we need to finally reach these people? Not that your future millennium states we will, as billions are still in rebellion a thousand years after he comes to save but a few.

 

[ewq1938]

We already have the power to reconcile the world to Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit.

What more do you think we need to finally reach these people? Not that your future millennium states we will, as billions are still in rebellion a thousand years after he comes to save but a few.

*yawn*

The same passage is in your bible. Your false current Millennium also has as billions in rebellion despite the supposed current rule of Christ and his Amill saints. Your Millennium is full of rebellion within the thousand years but in Premill the entire time is peaceful. Only after it's end is there rebellion and God allows it.

 

[Davidpt]

My response is this

Rev 2:26 Is the same as when Christ speaks of ruling over cities in the parable of the minas, and it is a parable.
Those of the nations who did not want Christ to rule them, are slain, they do not survive, get it now?

1. Luke 19:17
   And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Luke 19:19
   Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

3. The Parable of the Minas​

   11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’
   
   15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
   
   20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’
   
   24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

Shouldn't we be considering context first before deciding how to interpret something? It seems to me that you are applying verse 27 universally rather than in context. Verse 14 provides context for verse 27, does it not?

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

The text says Christ's citizens. Who should we be taking His citizens to mean? Every lost person on the planet? Including witches, satanists, atheists, child molesters, serial killers, etc?

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


It seems rather silly to me that we are first told this in verse 14 but when verse 27 is meaning it is not even specifically meaning those in verse 14, it is now somehow meaning every single lost person on the planet. IOW, verse 27 is being applied universally. But should it be applied universally, though?

Can you show/prove that His citizens meant in verse 14 are meaning every single lost person on the planet? IOW, for example, if His citizens include atheists, in what way would atheists be His citizens?

 

[Scott Downey]

Shouldn't we be considering context first before deciding how to interpret something? It seems to me that you are applying verse 27 universally rather than in context. Verse 14 provides context for verse 27, does it not?

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

The text says Christ's citizens. Who should we be taking His citizens to mean? Every lost person on the planet? Including witches, satanists, atheists, child molesters, serial killers, etc?

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


It seems rather silly to me that we are first told this in verse 14 but when verse 27 is meaning it is not even specifically meaning those in verse 14, it is now somehow meaning every single lost person on the planet. IOW, verse 27 is being applied universally. But should it be applied universally, though?

Can you show/prove that His citizens meant in verse 14 are meaning every single lost person on the planet? IOW, for example, if His citizens include atheists, in what way would atheists be His citizens?

It is a parable. The citizens are His enemies not His servants.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

Christ had His servants and they are the ones preserved-saved.
The citizens were living in the Lord's city, so citizens they are, but they were not His servants.
His servants, the master gifted to them talents to do the master's business, but none of the citizens were given any tasks by the master.

You can liken it to another parable, the wheat and the tares, where the field is the world.
The city is the Lord's, as is the field the Lord's, they are symbolic of the world.
Recall God says, All souls are Mine.

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares​

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

 

[Davidpt]

It is a parable. The citizens are His enemies not His servants.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

Christ had His servants and they are the ones preserved-saved.
The citizens were living in the Lord's city, so citizens they are, but they were not His servants.
His servants, the master gifted to them talents to do the master's business, but none of the citizens were given any tasks by the master.

I realize it is a parable, but so what? Since it is a parable does that mean none of Christ's enemies are literally slain in some manner? Since it is a parable, should we take it to mean no one actually literally leaves the planet at some point to go and receive a kingdom for Himself then literally return at some point? So on and so on.

You can liken it to another parable, the wheat and the tares, where the field is the world.
The city is the Lord's, as is the field the Lord's, they are symbolic of the world.
Recall God says, All souls are Mine.

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares​

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Do you know anything about agriculture the fact this parable is using agriculture imagery to make a point? The little I know about agriculture, in the early stages tares apparently resemble wheat. What does wheat symbolize in the parable? The saved in the church, right? If tares are meaning all the lost on the planet though, including atheists etc, and that in it's early stages, agriculturally speaking, tares resemble wheat, in what way do atheists ever at any time resemble the saved in the church?

In the event you haven't figured my point out by now, it again relates to context. By you suggesting the wheat and tares parable helps my arguments pertaining to the talents parable, not destroys them instead. IOW, context still rules.

 

[ewq1938]

Do you know anything about agriculture the fact this parable is using agriculture imagery to make a point? The little I know about agriculture, in the early stages tares apparently resemble wheat. What does wheat symbolize in the parable? The saved in the church, right? If tares are meaning all the lost on the planet though, including atheists etc, and that in it's early stages, agriculturally speaking, tares resemble wheat, in what way do atheists ever at any time resemble the saved in the church?

Sounds like a wolf in wheat's clothing.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It all comes down to that we will all reap what is Sown !
So the people who are not abiding in Christ Jesus, their workings undermine Lordship Salvation !
They who do not abide with Christ Jesus ? who are they ? well they are not worthy of him who are they ! So their works are that of Man !

Even Priest and Church goers the religious ? Religion never Saved anyone in fact, Only Christ Jesus Saves ! You must be truly born again ! or you do not have Grace in fact !

The Grace of God is not grace that carnal people or religious trash peddle at all ! The Grace of Christ Jesus changes you ! like we seen in Saul as he became Paul ! for he was worthy of Christ Jesus, Paul came out from Them who he was with, he was changed and did not serv this world anymore ! For this world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions ! You must come out from that ! then you can come into the Kingdom of God ! because you are worthy of such !

 

[Davidpt]

Sounds like a wolf in wheat's clothing.

Exactly! And by ignoring context like some of these interpreters do is to then make total nonsense out of the imagery used. How does it make sense, if in the real world, tares resemble wheat in it's early stages, and then contradict that by insisting the tares are meaning all of the lost in general, including atheists when atheists never resemble the saved in the church at any stage?

Tares resemble wheat in it's early stages, meaning in the real world. For example. Tares do not resemble apples in it's early stages, right?

What is meant by the wheat in this parable? The saved in the church, obviously. Therefore, the tares in it's early stages resemble the saved in the church. Do atheists at any time ever resemble the saved in the church? Of course not. There you go then. In context since context counts and matters, no way are the tares meaning every single lost person on the planet. Therefore, Amils are wrong to insist there won't be anyone to rule over in a future millennium because all of the lost are allegedly destroyed when Christ returns.

What you submitted in post #3 alone proves them wrong. We can then add to that, to name a few, Isaiah 24:21-22, Zechariah 14:16-19, and Daniel 7:12, as further proof that proves them wrong.

Not to mention, the point you made in regards to their proposed millennium. According to Revelation 20 deceiving the nations and the nations rebelling come after the millennium not during it. Per their proposed millennium, by comparing to real world reality, they have both being rampant throughout the millennium, nations rebelling and nations still being deceived. Then we are expected to agree they have the millennium in the right place.

 

[ewq1938]

What you submitted in post #3 alone proves them wrong. We can then add to that, to name a few, Isaiah 24:21-22, Zechariah 14:16-19, and Daniel 9:12, as further proof that proves them wrong.

Not to mention, the point you made in regards to their proposed millennium. According to Revelation 20 deceiving the nations and the nations rebelling come after the millennium not during it. Per their proposed millennium, by comparing to real world reality, they have both being rampant throughout the millennium, nations rebelling and nations still being deceived. Then we are expected to agree they have the millennium in the right place.

Yeah, the doctrine gets everything wrong IMO.

Premill: No rebellion during the Millennium. Rebellion only AFTER the Millennium has ended. BIBLICALLY SUPPORTED.
Amill: Rebellion through the entire Millennium, not only after it has ended. NOT BIBLICALLY SUPPORTED.

Premill: Saved Christians killed for the witness of Christ and for refusing worship and the mark. Physical resurrection after tyheir deaths. BIBLICALLY SUPPORTED.
Amill: Unsaved Christians killed for the witness of Christ and for refusing worship and the mark?? Unsaved do not do those things. Spiritual resurrection (being saved) after their deaths?? NOT BIBLICALLY SUPPORTED.

 

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*yawn* for 1000

The same passage is in your bible. Your false current Millennium also has as billions in rebellion despite the supposed current rule of Christ and his Amill saints. Your Millennium is full of rebellion within the thousand years but in Premill the entire time is peaceful. Only after it's end is there rebellion and God allows it.

And where exactly does it say in Revelation 20 that it is peaceful for 1000 years?

It is not there. You make it up as you go.

 

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in it's early stages, agriculturally speaking, tares resemble wheat, in what way do atheists ever at any time resemble the saved in the church?

This sums up the futility of your position. It proves that you have nothing of biblical weight to bring to the table. That is why you must invent these irrelevancies.