Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[WPM]

He is not on David’s throne, as was prophesied

Luk 1:32 - He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Peter disagrees with you in Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ” (Acts 2:25-31).

The whole context here is expressly speaking about the One that would assume David's throne. It is speaking about the only One that could gloriously take it. Christ was that man. He was of course the promised offspring of David (the fruit of his loins). None else would take such a final place of authority. Christ was indeed the fulfilment of the Davidic promise. He now reigns supreme.

Christ already came physically and revealed the kingdom of God to Israel. The problem was, it just wasn't what they expected. The fact is the Messianic kingdom is here. Messiah has come. The kingdom is found everywhere Christ reigns in sovereign control. The kingdom is here on this earth now in the hearts of God's people (the Israel of God).

Peter shows us that Psalm 110:1 is currently being fulfilled since Christ destroyed the power of the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high. No objective Bible student could fail to see the focus and message of this narrative. This reading is concentrated upon the victory of the resurrection of Christ nearly 2,000 years ago and the resulting current kingly Messianic reign of Christ at “the right hand of God exalted” in heaven. It confirms that Israel’s Messiah now sits enthroned upon David’s throne, and locates the timing of His assumption of the same to after “the resurrection of Christ.” As Messiah, Christ fulfilled every human demand of Him, thus rightfully assuming the kingship of Israel through His impeccable life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.

 

[covenantee]

No. Did you miss who he was talking about? Believers. Zero to do with the world. The world hates us and is the enemy of God. The world is not righteous but in wickedness.

You deny that Christ brought in everlasting righteousness.

Paul rebuts that.

Baloney. Go to the UN and see where Jesus rules it?

I don't go to the UN. I go to Scripture. You should too.

No, that is a word game.

Only to you.

 

[covenantee]

Peter disagrees with you in Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ” (Acts 2:25-31).

The whole context here is expressly speaking about the One that would assume David's throne. It is speaking about the only One that could gloriously take it. Christ was that man. He was of course the promised offspring of David (the fruit of his loins). None else would take such a final place of authority. Christ was indeed the fulfilment of the Davidic promise. He now reigns supreme.

Christ already came physically and revealed the kingdom of God to Israel. The problem was, it just wasn't what they expected. The fact is the Messianic kingdom is here. Messiah has come. The kingdom is found everywhere Christ reigns in sovereign control. The kingdom is here on this earth now in the hearts of God's people (the Israel of God).

Peter shows us that Psalm 110:1 is currently being fulfilled since Christ destroyed the power of the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high. No objective Bible student could fail to see the focus and message of this narrative. This reading is concentrated upon the victory of the resurrection of Christ nearly 2,000 years ago and the resulting current kingly Messianic reign of Christ at “the right hand of God exalted” in heaven. It confirms that Israel’s Messiah now sits enthroned upon David’s throne, and locates the timing of His assumption of the same to after “the resurrection of Christ.” As Messiah, Christ fulfilled every human demand of Him, thus rightfully assuming the kingship of Israel through His impeccable life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.

Amen bro.

 

[dad]

I reject your small jesus and BIG DEVIL theology.

The end time is a time of darkness and vengeance and the short time that Satan has to reign over men. We know how it ends. Your unbelief of prophesy is noted.

 

[dad]

You deny that Christ brought in everlasting righteousness.

To us, yes. He is not ruling the kingdoms of this world yet though. That happens when He returns.

I don't go to the UN. I go to Scripture. You should too.

The prince of this world runs things here now as far as the nations go and will have almost full reign in the end for a while. If you thought scripture taught that Jesus had returned already and we were ruling, I have a bridge for sale real cheap you might be interested in

 

[WPM]

The prince of this world runs things here now as far as the nations go and will have almost full reign in the end for a while. If you thought scripture taught that Jesus had returned already and we were ruling, I have a bridge for sale real cheap you might be interested in

He may rule your world but not mine. Jesus rules the kingdom of God and rules the nations.

 

[dad]

He may rule your world but not mine. Jesus rules the kingdom of God and rules the nations.

Jesus was offered the kingdoms of the world by Satan and He refused actually. In the end He returns and takes them by force. Meanwhile, the prince of this world runs the nations. That doesn't mean that overall, God does not change rulers as needed of these wicked kingdoms, and etc. Once again you show you are deeply confused.

 

[covenantee]

To us, yes. He is not ruling the kingdoms of this world yet though. That happens when He returns.

He has been ruling for 2,000 years in the lives of all who have accepted Him, and will continue to do so until He returns.

The prince of this world runs things here now as far as the nations go and will have almost full reign in the end for a while. If you thought scripture taught that Jesus had returned already and we were ruling, I have a bridge for sale real cheap you might be interested in

Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

If that doesn't include you, then you'll have to keep your bridge or unload it on some other loser.

 

[WPM]

Jesus was offered the kingdoms of the world by Satan and He refused actually. In the end He returns and takes them by force. Meanwhile, the prince of this world runs the nations. That doesn't mean that overall, God does not change rulers as needed of these wicked kingdoms, and etc. Once again you show you are deeply confused.

Jesus had a better way (ordained by His Father) of winning the nations - the cross. He simply refused to take a shortcut here by submitting to the devil's blueprint.

 

[dad]

He has been ruling for 2,000 years in the lives of all who have accepted Him, and will continue to do so until He returns.

No one asked about the inner lives of believers. The vision in Dan 9 was about a completion of prophesy. How about Israel? Has righteousness come to that nation? No. They are not even in belief.

Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

If that doesn't include you, then you'll have to keep your bridge or unload it on some other loser.

He loves us but that has nothing to do with Jesus leading the wicked nations of earth now.

 

[dad]

Jesus had a better way (ordained by His Father) of winning the nations - the cross.

Utter nonsense. Most people on earth reject Him. The follow another spirit. The cross was for saving all who would come to Him. His return to earth is for destroying the wicked and judging the nations (among other things)

He simply refused to take a shortcut here fight submitting to the devil's blueprint.

There is no shortcut. He has to come to earth and take over. He then saves the believers here, and deals with the wicked once and for all. Your idea that He now rules is false and an insult to prophesy and the rest of the bible

 

[covenantee]

No one asked about the inner lives of believers. The vision in Dan 9 was about a completion of prophesy. How about Israel? Has righteousness come to that nation? No. They are not even in belief.

Daniel 9:24 is about the fulfillment of prophecy.

In Christ, at Calvary.

Messianic Jews are part of Israel, and they are in belief.

He loves us but that has nothing to do with Jesus leading the wicked nations of earth now.

Does Romans 8:37 apply to you?

 

[WPM]

Your idea that He now rules is false and an insult to prophesy and the rest of the bible

Do you really grasp the power that Jesus Christ has over all creation? Do you realize the enormity of His authority and influence? Or do you believe that man or Satan is out of control and that Jesus is just sitting by helplessly watching on? Unfortunately, many Christians today have a misconception of that because of false teaching in regard to end-times. They imagine that the kingdom of God is only a future reality when Jesus comes. Many even say that Jesus is not king now but He will be when He returns at the second coming. They call Him a prince-in-waiting.

They make the exact same mistake that the Pharisees made 2000 years ago with their misguided obsession with (1) racial favoritism, (2) earthly real estate and (3) the idea of a dictatorial Messiah reigning over the Gentile nations with a rod of iron. Because of their flawed perception of the kingdom, the Pharisees ended up rejecting Christ.

What many do is, strip Jesus of His sovereign power today (by their faulty theology). They dethrone Him from the right hand of majesty on high. This is convenient for some, because they then have man calling the shots and God reacting to man. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Jesus testified after His resurrection: “All power [or authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).

Jesus rules and reigns today over all creation. There is nothing that is not under His feet. What He says goes! This is biblical bedrock! This is a foundational Christian truth.

I mean, how much more power than “all power ... in heaven and in earth” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?

Romans 9:5 confirms, in an often-overlooked passage: “as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all.”

This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises kingship today over all mankind. It means: He carries the Father’s divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is sovereign power! He holds this today upon His Father’s throne as God and upon David’s throne as Messiah. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority.

Revelation 3:7 tells us: “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might.

This is basically telling us that God is in complete control of our life. He will open the doors as He sees fit and close doors that He doesn’t want us going through.

 

[dad]

Daniel 9:24 is about the fulfillment of prophecy.

In Christ, at Calvary.

Daniel prayed about Israel. His answer from the angel of God was this

"A period of seventy sets of seven has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

Israel is still in rebellion. Their sin is still there. And what is in Israel and Jerusalem today is anything but everlasting righteousness. Pretending that the first coming of Jesus did all that is a lie. It will also take the second coming.

Messianic Jews are part of Israel, and they are in belief.

In what? Jesus? No. The state is secular and unbelievers. Whatever various little minorities believe changes nothing. Plenty of Muslims in there too for example. The angel never said 'bring an end to rebellion of .077% of your people!

Does Romans 8:37 apply to you?

We have victory. The world has something else. Israel has something else. Jerusalem has something else. You missed the whole point of the prophesy

 

[dad]

Do you really grasp the power that Jesus Christ has over all creation? Do you realize the enormity of His authority and influence? Or do you believe that man or Satan is out of control and that Jesus is just sitting by helplessly watching on?

He is in heaven. One day He will return and it will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Any child knows this is not that day!

Unfortunately, many Christians today have a misconception of that because of false teaching in regard to end-times. They imagine that the kingdom of God is only a future reality when Jesus comes. Many even say that Jesus is not king now but He will be when He returns at the second coming. They call Him a prince-in-waiting.

For the whole world and Israel and Jerusalem it is in the future obviously. For us, we see through a glass darkly even now. He is within us.

Jesus testified after His resurrection: “All power [or authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).

And the time will come when that power comes to earth and He rules the world. If you think the genocide in Gaza is from God, as the ruler here, you do not know Him

This is basically telling us that God is in complete control of our life. He will open the doors as He sees fit and close doors that He doesn’t want us going through.

Our life. Yes. The world and nations and Israel and Jerusalem. No. Quite the opposite.

 

[covenantee]

Israel is still in rebellion.

Messianic Jews are not in rebellion. They are in Christ.

We have victory.

Yes. We have all we need.

 

[covenantee]

For the whole world and Israel and Jerusalem it is in the future obviously.

In your obsession with Israel, you're ignoring some relevant Scripture.

Isaiah 10
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

That remnant is fulfilled in Messianic Jews.

 

[WPM]

He is in heaven. One day He will return and it will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Any child knows this is not that day!

For the whole world and Israel and Jerusalem it is in the future obviously. For us, we see through a glass darkly even now. He is within us.

And the time will come when that power comes to earth and He rules the world. If you think the genocide in Gaza is from God, as the ruler here, you do not know Him

Our life. Yes. The world and nations and Israel and Jerusalem. No. Quite the opposite.

When did/does Christ rise to the right hand of majesty on high?
Where does Scripture locate that throne – in heaven or on earth?
If Christ is God, if He is genuinely sovereign and if He is reigning now, what enemy do you suppose He not ruling over?
When was/is “all power … in heaven and in earth” given unto Jesus (Matthew 28:18)?
How much more power than “all power... in heaven and in earth.” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?
Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?
When was/does Christ become ruler over the kings of the earth, now only or also in the future (Revelation 1:5)?
When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning now over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
When did/does Christ become the ruler of God’s creation” (Revelation 3:14)?
Do you believe that Christ currently has “the keys (or authority) of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18)?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I understand. None of these men were Pretrib.

John MacArthur is, he's been teaching it for decades. RC Sproul was Amellennial. But regardless, their quotes I posted did not have anything to do with their Eschatalogical views. They were about the beginning of then Church.

 

[WPM]

John MacArthur is, he's been teaching it for decades. RC Sproul was Amellennial. But regardless, their quotes I posted did not have anything to do with their Eschatalogical views. They were about the beginning of then Church.

I have showed you that the Church was in the wilderness with Moses. The Church is mentioned throughout the Greek old testament. The Church is mentioned before Pentecost. Your belief is contrary to Scripture.