The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.
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Spiritual Israelite
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What is wrong with you? Seriously, there's something very wrong with you. No matter how many ties I tell you something, you just don't get it. I do NOT say that being born again of the Holy Spirit is a bodily resurrection. Okay? Get that through your head. I say that it is how we have part in Christ's bodily resurrection. Big difference.
Nope. It seems that you are doing that. Is the following verse in your Bible or not?
Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ was "the first that should rise form the dead", as Paul said, or not?
Spiritual Israelite
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David in NJ
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FIRST Things FIRST = BELIEVE exactly what JESUS Says: Only Born-Again Saints are raised from the dead unto IMMORTAL LIFE
Rev 20:5-6 is the Bodily Resurrection of BORN-AGAIN Saints
David in NJ
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JESUS is only interested in us believing His words =
@David in NJ and @Spiritual Israelite words don't mean squat UNLESS they are in Submission and Agreement with His words.
I never said he did, Straw man. But being born again of the Holy Spirit is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev.20 5-6.
The Holy Spirit is the down payment on the purchased possession, but it is not a done deal until the day of redemption.
Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body
Ephesians 1:13-14
King James Version
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
If someone falls away from the faith the Holy Spirit will depart, so it’s not a done deal if they do not endure unto the day of redemption.
David in NJ
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LOL -ty
How does a person become part of the First Resurection:
a.) by Spiritual NEW BIRTH in CHRIST
b.) by physical death
c.) by (a) FIRST then (b) LATER
d.) by a separate process called 'denominational dictates'
e.) none of the above
That is not in question. You and others are trying to say that being born again is the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6.
Being born again of the Spirit is not a bodily resurrection. That is why Amils believe the first resurrection is past. And that also why they believe the thousand year reign of Christ began when Jesus was resurrected.
That is what happens when you call being born again the first resurrection.
David in NJ
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In Romans 8:23 what MUST occur FIRST?
a.) "the firstfruits of the Holy Spirit"
b.) the day of (bodily) redemption.
David in NJ
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#1 - that is in question by you and your misunderstanding
#2 - i NEVER said that being Born-Again is Rev 20:5-6
#3 - JESUS Says you will NEVER get to Rev 20:5-6 UNLESS you are FIRST Born-Again by the SPIRIT of GOD
#4 - You are currently unable or unwilling to SEE the Connection
#5 - whoever says the First (BODILY) Resurrection is past is in IGNORANCE and SIN
FALSE CONCLUSION and ERROR on your side for i NEVER said that and NEVER will
AGAIN - JESUS Says JESUS Says JESUS Says: You MUST be Born Again or NO Rev 20:5-6 for you or anyone
If others are saying that, then you MUST address the 'others' and MUST not include me, otherwise you enter into sin.
That is not in question. What is causing the Amils confusion is that they believe being born again is the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6.
Being renewed in the heart/mind/spirit does not replace the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last day.
It might help if you look up the word born and the word resurrection as defined in scripture because they are not the same word.
Again that is not in question. But what is happening is you/they are saying A and B are the same event.
David in NJ
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AGREE
Now stop arguing against TRUTH that comes from the Mouth of GOD by separating Born-Again from Rev 20:5-6
It is IMPOSSIBLE for you or anyone to be part of the FIRST Resurrection unless you were FIRST Resurrected by the NEW BIRTH
JESUS is the Resurrection = the FIRST FRUITS = the FIRST Resurrection of the Saints AND HE is the LAST = the LAST DAY
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Becoming a Born Again is a done deal!....
You can only be Born Again once.
◄ Ephesians 1:7 ►
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
New Living Translation
He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins.
English Standard Version
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
Berean Standard Bible
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
You can only be Born Again once.
◄ Ephesians 1:7 ►
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
New Living Translation
He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins.
English Standard Version
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
Berean Standard Bible
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@David in NJ said.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for you or anyone to be part of the FIRST Resurrection unless you were FIRST Resurrected by the NEW BIRTH
RJ says, exactly Amen!
Which means that our spirit is resurrected/ regenerated/ Born Again ,by the Living Spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit...a supernatural birth...mind Blowing..you will never forget.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for you or anyone to be part of the FIRST Resurrection unless you were FIRST Resurrected by the NEW BIRTH
RJ says, exactly Amen!
Which means that our spirit is resurrected/ regenerated/ Born Again ,by the Living Spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit...a supernatural birth...mind Blowing..you will never forget.
David in NJ
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And since being Born-Again is a 'Done Deal' Sealed in Heaven for us,
so also is the Bodily Resurrection of the JUST
at His Second Coming
at the Last Trumpet
Promised by the LORD in Revelation 2:11
Fulfilled in Revelation 20:4-6
Spiritual Israelite
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David in NJ
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ABSOLUTELY NOT
SEE, i go after his error just like anyone else on here INCLUDING myself when it is shown to me = no one is exempt:
but The FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT
You are doing the same by calling being born again the first resurrection.
There is only 2 places the first resurrection is mentioned in scripture and that is in Rev. 20:5-6.
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