The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your attacks do not only falsely claim that I said what I did not and am not saying, but far worse than that they falsely claim that Ephesians 2:4-6 is saying something that it is not saying.

Yawn.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The second death has no power over those who remain in Christ while alive on this earth. BUT if one departs from the faith and does not abide in Christ the Spirit departs and they are now twice dead spiritually.

Right. I never said otherwise. And it has no power over the souls of the dead in Christ now as well. So, Revelation 20:6 should be interpreted accordingly. It's not a bodily resurrection of the dead that is necessary in order for the second death to have no power over us. It's faith in Christ and abiding in Christ unto death which does that. We must spiritually have part in His resurrection (the first resurrection - Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20) by way of being spiritually born again/saved by grace through faith and we must keep our faith until the end (of our lives or of the age, whichever comes first) and then we are guaranteed to have eternal life and avoid the second death.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So, Revelation 20:6 should be interpreted accordingly. It's not a bodily resurrection of the dead …..

Doh! Rev. 20:5-6 is specifically speaking about the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, it is not talking about being born again of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We were just shown by the LORD Jesus Christ that the "hour" is NOT a 24 hour period.

The 'hour' is a time period SPECIFIED by the GOSPEL and Governed by the GOSPEL = See here Matthew 24:14

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

This is the "hour" which JESUS specified that we are living in NOW/TODAY "If you hear His Voice" - John 5:28-29 Hebrews ch3

No, John 5:28-29 has to do with the bodily resurrection of the dead that will occur in the future, including the saved and the lost. What you're talking about relates to John 5:24-25, not John 5:28-29. Those passages are not about the same thing.

 

[Ritajanice]

We already have eternal life, the moment we become Born Again/ regenerated.

A Born Again can never be un- Born from the Spirit Of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Doh! Rev. 20:5-6 is specifically speaking about the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, it is not talking about being born again of the Holy Spirit.

Doh yourself! It's talking about spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection, which is the first resurrection. That is what is required to avoid the second death, not a bodily resurrection. You're not even taking that into consideration because of your doctrinal bias.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Having part in the first resurrection:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just posted this commentary, to show different views/ interpretations/ beliefs reading scripture.


Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the Earth (the Second Coming) before the Millennium, heralding a literal thousand-year messianic age of peace.


Jesus said, “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39).


What is the meaning of Luke 24 39?
In Luke 24:39, Jesus said: “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Jesus was telling His disciples that He was physically resurrected. He did not resurrect as a spirit, but Jesus was resurrected physically.

Our souls will be reunited with our transformed physical bodies, brought back to life from the dead. Scripture teaches this in many ways. First, simply to speak of a "resurrection" of the dead (Matthew 22:30-31; Luke 14:14; 1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16) is to imply physicality.

My physical body will be cremated, then what?

My flesh won’t be in a grave, my ashes will be scattered.....?

God, the Creator of the universe, is perfectly capable of taking your ashes and changing them into an immortal body. That will be no problem for Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Spiritual Israelite said.

God, the Creator of the universe, is perfectly capable of taking your ashes and changing them into an immortal body. That will be no problem for Him.

RJ says...thank you Brother, I 100% agree.

My human understanding comes nowhere near the power of our Mighty God!

Your post gave me great joy in my heart , when I read it,,,it was like I’d been waiting to hear those words.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Spiritual Israelite said.

! It's talking about spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection, which is the first resurrection. That is what is required to avoid the second death

RJ asks...are you talking being Born Again here?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Doh yourself! It's talking about spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection, which is the first resurrection.

And there is your confession right there. You believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS taking part in the first bodily resurrection.

But being born again is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 no matter how hard you try to spin it.

 

[David in NJ]

No, John 5:28-29 has to do with the bodily resurrection of the dead that will occur in the future, including the saved and the lost. What you're talking about relates to John 5:24-25, not John 5:28-29. Those passages are not about the same thing.

This is ONE uninterrupted Truth being spoken here by the LORD.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

That same Truth from verses 24-27 is the same Truth in verses 28-30

a.) v.24 BORN-AGAIN = he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life
b.) v25 BORN-AGAIN from death of sin = the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
c.) v28-29 BORN-AGAIN Believers whose physical bodies die are Resurrected by the SAME Voice that resurrected their spirits in vs 24-25
d.) v28-29 Those NOT born-again whose physical bodies die are resurrected by the SAME Voice unto JUDGMENT

IMPORTANT = JESUS is SPECIFIC of there being TWO separate resurrections
A) those who have done good, to the Resurrection of Life
b.) those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation

@WPM Corroborating Evidence of TRUTH = Revelation chapter 20 has TWO separate reusrrections

These resurrections are separated between the JUST and the unjust by 1,000 literal Years

 

[David in NJ]

And there is your confession right there. You believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS taking part in the first resurrection.

But being born again is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 no matter how hard you try to spin it.

You are in ERROR here

BELIEVE the LORD Jesus who says "I am the RESURRECTION" and 1 Cor ch15 = HE is the Firstfruits unto God from the dead"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And there is your confession right there. You believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS taking part in the first resurrection.

Yes, that is how we take part in Christ's resurrection, which is the first resurrection. As I've said many times. Yet, you're acting as if this is the first time I've said this and acting as if this is some kind of confession. LOL. You're a comedian.

But being born again is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 no matter how hard you try to spin it.

That's how we have part in the first resurrection, which is Christ's resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20). And that's the truth no matter what you say, so deal with it.

Tell me, how may hours are coming when all of the dead will be raised?

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[WPM]

This is ONE uninterrupted Truth being spoken here by the LORD.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

That same Truth from verses 24-27 is the same Truth in verses 28-30

a.) v.24 BORN-AGAIN = he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life
b.) v25 BORN-AGAIN from death of sin = the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
c.) v28-29 BORN-AGAIN Believers whose physical bodies die are Resurrected by the SAME Voice that resurrected their spirits in vs 24-25
d.) v28-29 Those NOT born-again whose physical bodies die are resurrected by the SAME Voice unto JUDGMENT

IMPORTANT = JESUS is SPECIFIC of there being TWO separate resurrections
A) those who have done good, to the Resurrection of Life
b.) those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation

@WPM Corroborating Evidence of TRUTH = Revelation chapter 20 has TWO separate reusrrections

These resurrections are separated between the JUST and the unjust by 1,000 literal Years

Exactly! This proves we are in the Revelation 20 period now!

 

[David in NJ]

Exactly! This proves we are in the Revelation 20 period now!

Are we before the 1,000 Years or after?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You are in ERROR here

I disagree, because Rev. 20:5-6 is not talking about being born again of the Holy Spirit, it is talking about the resurrection of dead in Christ at the last day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite said.

! It's talking about spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection, which is the first resurrection. That is what is required to avoid the second death

RJ asks...are you talking being Born Again here?

Yes, that is what I'm talking about.

Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection is the first resurrection. So, that is your starting point for understanding what it means to have part in the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Then you can look at this verse:

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice that in the case of those who have part in the first resurrection, the second death (being cast into the lake of fire - Rev 20:14-15) has no power over them. The souls of the dead in Christ that John saw had part in the first resurrection, so they will not be cast into the lake of fire. They had part in Christ's resurrection spiritually by way of being born again/saved.

So, passages like the following describe how someone has part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection):

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[David in NJ]

I disagree, because Rev. 20:5-6 is not talking about being born again of the Holy Spirit, it is talking about the resurrection of dead in Christ at the last day.

REALLY???

So when did JESUS throw out the Requirement of:

1. "Marvel not that I Say you MUST be Born-Again or you cannot enter the Kingdom of God"

Do NOT limit your hear/mind to earthbound intellect of man that cannot know/understand the things of God

 

[Ritajanice]

@Spiritual Israelite said.

Yes, that is what I'm talking about.

RJ says...excellent I agree!.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes, that is how we take part in Christ's resurrection, which is the first resurrection. .

That is why I said you are calling being born again the first bodily resurrection as is defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Being born again of the Holy Spirit is not a bodily resurrection. You and others are trying redefine the meaning of the first bodily resurrection.