The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Zao is life]

And why are they appointed to the Second Death???

Because they were never Born-Again by the Spirit of God, therefore just as JESUS says: they CANNOT enter the Kingdom

In God's Eternal Life = A comes before B


When JESUS rebukes me = it is always a BLESSING for HE loves me and YOU

When JESUS rebuked Peter it was because of His Great Love for Peter and for us.

Notice how Peter goes on following the LORD and becoming one of His Apostles.

I'll take the LORD's Loving rebuke anyday = even when it is earth shaking AND shakes us to the Core

"For this is what the LORD of armies says: ‘Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land." - Haggai 2:6

What are people on earth going to decide/choose?

A.) Shake, ROCK and Rise into GLORY

B.) Shake and Bake

You cannot discern the difference in meaning between the word zOe (life) and the word zAo (alive in the body) in John 11:25.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life [zOe]: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live [zAo], nor are you capable of understanding how both words relate to the resurrection.

You can't be helped either - not only because you believe in your own (not Christ's) meaning of what Jesus was saying to Martha, but also because you believe that if someone does not agree with you when YOU assert that Jesus was ALSO referring in what He said to Martha to the fact that all must be born of the Spirit in order to have the life [zOe] of Christ in Him, that person who disagrees with you will be rebuked by Jesus.

Your pride has gotten in your way. Hope in your case it doesn't last too long.

 

[David in NJ]

@rwb @WPM @Spiritual Israelite

i am making a fresh pot of coffee as my fishing trip is postponed until tomorrow.

You are welcome to come over if you are close by.
And you are welcome to go fishing with me.

 

[David in NJ]

You cannot discern the difference in meaning between the word zOe (life) and the word zAo (alive in the body) in John 11:25.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life [zOe]: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live [zAo], nor are you capable of understanding how both words relate to the resurrection.

You can't be helped either - not only because you believe in your own (not Christ's) meaning of what Jesus was saying to Martha, but also because you believe that if someone does not agree with you when YOU assert that Jesus was ALSO referring in what He said to Martha to the fact that all must be born of the Spirit in order to have the life [zOe] of Christ in Him, that person who disagrees with you will be rebuked by Jesus.

Your pride has gotten in your way. Hope in your case it doesn't last too long.

You can't be helped either

Love it

It's OK my Brother, JESUS is with me to help me SEE, for HE sent the Holy Spirit that i may know His Truth

Question: How many deaths did Adam die when he sinned?

Your pride has gotten in your way. Hope in your case it doesn't last too long.

Well, Thank You

 

[Zao is life]

We're already in the kingdom of Christ. That's what you premils don't get even though it's explicitly taught in scripture.

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

The Kingdom of Christ is Christ's, who became a man, taking on human flesh. He lived/was alive in the body [zAo]. He died bodily, rose again [egeiro] bodily and lived again in the body [anazao]. 40 days after He was crucified He ascended into heaven bodily, and will return bodily.

Just hours before His crucifixion He told His disciples that the gospel of the Kingdom must first be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end of the age will come, and promised to send the Holy Spirit to be with His disciples and IN His disciples until the end of the age when He will return bodily,

and the day of His ascension into heaven, when the disciples asked when the kingdom would be restored to the Israel of God, He told them again it was not for them to know the answer, but they would be His witnesses taking the gospel of the kingdom to the end of the earth, promising again to send the Holy Spirit upon them, which came upon the House of God on the day of Pentecost.

He told Pilate that His Kingdom is not of this present time of this world and it would be rather odd if the gospel of the Kingdom were preached after the Kingdom came.

You will see Him sitting on the throne of His glory when His Kingdom comes. He is not reigning yet. All authority in heaven and earth is already His, but He has not yet taken it and begun to reign. He first has allowed time for the gospel of the coming Kingdom of Christ to be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations.

That gospel includes the gospel of forgiveness of sin because of the blood of Christ and salvation from the wrath of God through repentance of sin and placing faith in Him.

You do not understand the gospel of the Kingdom of Christ, or the difference between (eternal) life (zOe) which is in Christ and being alive in the body (zAo), nor do you seem to realize the purpose of God is for Adam and all the sons of Adam to live forever (zOe) in their created bodies, to be alive forever in their created bodies (zAo: alive in the body) on the created earth. Jesus promised those who overcome that they will reign on the earth. He said nothing about reigning with Christ in heaven, which is where God dwells, who is Omnipresent. Christ does not need to reign over anyone in His own dwelling. God will reign over the earth through His Word, which is Christ Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

The Kingdom of Christ is Christ's, who became a man, taking on human flesh. He lived/was alive in the body [zAo]. He died bodily, rose again [egeiro] bodily and lived again in the body [anazao]. 40 days after He was crucified He ascended into heaven bodily, and will return bodily.

Just hours before His crucifixion He told His disciples that the gospel of the Kingdom must first be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end of the age will come, and promised to send the Holy Spirit to be with His disciples and IN His disciples until the end of the age when He will return bodily,

and the day of His ascension into heaven, when the disciples asked when the kingdom would be restored to the Israel of God, He told them again it was not for them to know the answer, but they would be His witnesses taking the gospel of the kingdom to the end of the earth, promising again to send the Holy Spirit upon them, which came upon the House of God on the day of Pentecost.

He told Pilate that His Kingdom is not of this present time of this world and it would be rather odd if the gospel of the Kingdom were preached after the Kingdom came. You will see Him sitting on the throne of His glory when His Kingdom comes. He is not reigning yet. All authority in heaven and earth is already His but He has not yet taken it and begun to reign. He first has allowed time for the gospel of the coming Kingdom of Christ to be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations. That gospel includes the gospel of forgiveness of sin because of the blood of Christ and salvation from the wrath of God through repentance of sin and placing faith in Him.

ALL True Glorious Truth except one that needs just a little adjustment.

CHRIST is Reigning now but from/in Heaven at the Right hand of God for His Kingdom is not of this present Age, just as you stated.

At the Second Coming CHRIST brings with Him His Kingdom and HE will Reign and Rule on earth with His kings and priests.

Revelation 1:6 & 1:9
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

SEE = You MUST FIRST be Born-Again or you CANNOT enter the Kingdom of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Kingdom of Christ is Christ's, who became a man, taking on human flesh. He lived/was alive in the body [zAo]. He died bodily, rose again [egeiro] bodily and lived again in the body [anazao]. 40 days after He was crucified He ascended into heaven bodily, and will return bodily.

Just hours before His crucifixion He told His disciples that the gospel of the Kingdom must first be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end of the age will come, and promised to send the Holy Spirit to be with His disciples and IN His disciples until the end of the age when He will return bodily,

and the day of His ascension into heaven, when the disciples asked when the kingdom would be restored to the Israel of God, He told them again it was not for them to know the answer, but they would be His witnesses taking the gospel of the kingdom to the end of the earth, promising again to send the Holy Spirit upon them, which came upon the House of God on the day of Pentecost.

He told Pilate that His Kingdom is not of this present time of this world and it would be rather odd if the gospel of the Kingdom were preached after the Kingdom came.

You will see Him sitting on the throne of His glory when His Kingdom comes. He is not reigning yet. All authority in heaven and earth is already His, but He has not yet taken it and begun to reign. He first has allowed time for the gospel of the coming Kingdom of Christ to be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations.

That gospel includes the gospel of forgiveness of sin because of the blood of Christ and salvation from the wrath of God through repentance of sin and placing faith in Him.

You do not understand the gospel of the Kingdom of Christ, or the difference between (eternal) life (zOe) which is in Christ and being alive in the body (zAo), nor do you seem to realize the purpose of God is for Adam and all the sons of Adam to live forever (zOe) in their created bodies, to be alive forever in their created bodies (zAo: alive in the body) on the created earth. Jesus promised those who overcome that they will reign on the earth. He said nothing about reigning with Christ in heaven, which is where God dwells, who is Omnipresent. Christ does not need to reign over anyone in His own dwelling. God will reign over the earth through His Word, which is Christ Jesus.

None of this addresses the passage I used to back up my claim. Why is that? Would you rather just ignore it?

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

Do you deny that we have been rescued from the dominion of darkness and brought into the kingdom of Christ? He said His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36), but what you're saying contradicts that because you say His kingdom will come with observation and will be of this world. Does that matter to you that what you're saying does not line up with what it says in passages like Colossians 1:12-13, Luke 17:20 and John 18:36? The kingdom He reigns over now is not a wordly kingdom that came with observation. He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes (1 Cor 15:22-24) and then the kingdom will be one that can be observed and will encompass the entire new heavens and new earth.

 

[Zao is life]

ALL True Glorious Truth except one that needs just a little adjustment.

CHRIST is Reigning now but from/in Heaven at the Right hand of God for His Kingdom is not of this present Age, just as you stated.

At the Second Coming CHRIST brings with Him His Kingdom and HE will Reign and Rule on earth with His kings and priests.

Revelation 1:6 & 1:9
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

SEE = You MUST FIRST be Born-Again or you CANNOT enter the Kingdom of God.

God has always reigned in heaven. Christ does not need to reign in heaven, it's always been under God's authority. Where is heaven anyway? It's where God dwells, who is Omnipresent.

Christ seated at the right hand of God tells us that all authority over God's creation has been placed in His hands, and all nations are His inheritance. He has chosen to allow the gospel of His coming Kingdom to be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations before using the power and authority He already has. For now and by His Spirit He gives power and authority to his saints, some more, some less.

 

[WPM]

@WPM brought up a great Truth = Corroborative Evidence in the Scriptures

The KEY to properly applying this method of examination is to make sure one does not mis-match scripture..

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are only Two Groups listed here by the LORD:
Group A = the Resurrection of Life
Group B = the resurrection unto damnation

Revelation chapter 20 'corroborates' with John 5:28

Yes! John 5:28 speaks of the one and only resurrection day a the end of Revelation 20. It forbids Premil.

 

[Zao is life]

None of this addresses the passage I used to back up my claim. Why is that? Would you rather just ignore it?

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

Do you deny that we have been rescued from the dominion of darkness and brought into the kingdom of Christ? He said His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36), but what you're saying contradicts that because you say His kingdom will come with observation and will be of this world. Does that matter to you that what you're saying does not line up with what it says in passages like Colossians 1:12-13, Luke 17:20 and John 18:36? The kingdom He reigns over now is not a wordly kingdom that came with observation. He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes (1 Cor 15:22-24) and then the kingdom will be one that can be observed and will encompass the entire new heavens and new earth.

Here we go again. Normal habit of S.I ignoring and refusing to address passages and facts brought up by others and only putting another passage wrongly interpreted so as to comply with Amil theology, only to cry about them not addressing or answering what he brought up in his post.

Yawn.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

ALL True Glorious Truth except one that needs just a little adjustment.

CHRIST is Reigning now but from/in Heaven at the Right hand of God for His Kingdom is not of this present Age, just as you stated.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. First, you rightly say that He reigns now, but then you say His kingdom is not of this present age. If He reigns now then He is reigning during this present age regardless of where He is reigning from. Of course, He is bodily in heaven, but spiritually He reigns in our hearts since His Spirit dwells within us.

 

[WPM]

@WPM brought up a great Truth = Corroborative Evidence in the Scriptures

The KEY to properly applying this method of examination is to make sure one does not mis-match scripture..

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are only Two Groups listed here by the LORD:
Group A = the Resurrection of Life
Group B = the resurrection unto damnation

Revelation chapter 20 'corroborates' with John 5:28

If so:

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?
3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?
5. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent, then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroy them?

 

[David in NJ]

Yes! John 5:28 speaks of the one and only resurrection day a the end of Revelation 20. It forbids Premil.

Yes! John 5:28 speaks of the one and only resurrection day a the end of Revelation 20.

John 5:28 speaks of TWO resurrections as JESUS says there are TWO separate Groups.
Each Group has it's own resurrection:
Group A = unto Eternal Life
Group B = unto damnation

Revelation chapter 20 separates teh TWO Groups by 1,000 Years/Literal Years

It forbids Premil.

i dislike labels as so does the LORD

Do not forbid the Corroboration of TRUTH from the Mouth of God

 

[WPM]

Here we go again. Normal habit of S.I ignoring and refusing to address passages and facts brought up by others and only putting another passage wrongly interpreted so as to comply with Amil theology, only to cry about them not addressing or answering what he brought up in his post.

Yawn.

It is amazing, you describe yourself in all your attacks. It is called projection!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here we go again. Normal habit of S.I ignoring and refusing to address passages and facts brought up by others and only putting another passage wrongly interpreted so as to comply with Amil theology, only to cry about them not addressing or answering what he brought up in his post.

Yawn.

So, you have decided to rip Colossians 1:12-13 out of your Bible? Or you just refuse to acknowledge its existence? You don't think we've been rescued from the power of darkness and been brought into the kingdom of Christ even though Paul says we have? Why do you not care what Paul taught?

 

[David in NJ]

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. First, you rightly say that He reigns now, but then you say His kingdom is not of this present age. If He reigns now then He is reigning during this present age regardless of where He is reigning from. Of course, He is bodily in heaven, but spiritually He reigns in our hearts since His Spirit dwells within us.

JESUS contradicted Himself???

Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”

Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world.
If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews;
but now My kingdom is not from here.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John 5:28 speaks of TWO resurrections as JESUS says there are TWO separate Groups.
Each Group has it's own resurrection:
Group A = unto Eternal Life
Group B = unto damnation

Revelation chapter 20 separates teh TWO Groups by 1,000 Years/Literal Years

How many hours did Jesus say are coming when all of the dead will be resurrected?

 

[WPM]

John 5:28 speaks of TWO resurrections as JESUS says there are TWO separate Groups.
Each Group has it's own resurrection:
Group A = unto Eternal Life
Group B = unto damnation

Revelation chapter 20 separates teh TWO Groups by 1,000 Years/Literal Years


i dislike labels as so does the LORD

Do not forbid the Corroboration of TRUTH from the Mouth of God

Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

Jesus taught a singular time (or hour) that is coming when all of the dead will be raised. Please notice “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” We are not just looking at the righteous, we are looking at both the righteous and the wicked. The passage goes on to confirm: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” All that are in the graves will come forth when He comes. The righteous will be ushered into His glorious kingdom, the wicked shall be damned for all eternity in the lake of fire.

The righteous and wicked dead all rise in response to the same sovereign voice - Christ's. Christ’s description of the resurrection depicts a unitary event, albeit in two parts. Part 1 is the elect; Part 2 is the wicked. Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

There is no 1,000 years’ separation mentioned or hinted at in here.

Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects.

 

[David in NJ]

How many hours did Jesus say are coming when all of the dead will be resurrected?

How many people will enter His Kingdom and at what hour?

If you can answer this you are smarter then God!

So i will make the question down here at our level.

At what hour does a person come to CHRIST to be Born-Again by the Spirit of God?

Surely you know the answer!!!

 

[Zao is life]

It is amazing, you describe yourself in all your attacks. It is called projection!

I don't have one of those fancy projectors you possess and use so often.

Your projection.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

Jesus taught a singular time (or hour) that is coming when all of the dead will be raised. Please notice “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” We are not just looking at the righteous, we are looking at both the righteous and the wicked. The passage goes on to confirm: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” All that are in the graves will come forth when He comes. The righteous will be ushered into His glorious kingdom, the wicked shall be damned for all eternity in the lake of fire.

The righteous and wicked dead all rise in response to the same sovereign voice - Christ's. Christ’s description of the resurrection depicts a unitary event, albeit in two parts. Part 1 is the elect; Part 2 is the wicked. Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

There is no 1,000 years’ separation mentioned or hinted at in here.

Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects.

How many people will enter His Kingdom and at what hour?

If you can answer this you are smarter then God!

So i will make the question down here at our level.

At what hour does a person come to CHRIST to be Born-Again by the Spirit of God?

Surely you know the answer!!