The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Zao is life]

No HE won't because your accusation is baseless.


You are arguing not against me but the very words of CHRIST = ABC's of God's Plan of Salvation

Return to the simple TRUTH that no one part of the first resurrected UNLESS they have been BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT

OK that's fine. I won't talk to you again about any subject. It's no wonder the review of these boards is as bad as it is by others who have been here.

How old are you by the way?

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus said that in order that we all individually can make sure the above words will never apply to us, not so that we can tell others to beware it applies to them - ESPECIALLY not when it has been pointed out to someone that he has failed to rightly divide the Word of Truth in one particular verse in scripture.

God bless you David and may you have a good day after this.

i NEVER said you do not know CHRIST.

All i did was post the very words of CHRIST

When JESUS rebuked Peter, did HE still LOVE Peter = of course HE did

Never let ego get in the way of the WAY = we all must submit to the Word of God = no exceptions

Return to the simple TRUTH that no one part of the first resurrected UNLESS they have been BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus said that in order that we all individually can make sure the above words will never apply to us, not so that we can tell others to beware it applies to them - ESPECIALLY not when it has been pointed out to someone that he has failed to rightly divide the Word of Truth in one particular verse in scripture.

God bless you David and may you have a good day after this.

Return to the simple TRUTH that no one part of the first resurrected UNLESS they have been BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT

 

[WPM]

lol my Brother and Good Morning
We are conversing, and we both have some jibes that the Holy Spirit can turn into GOOD Vibes.............Bro

Good Morning!

 

[Zao is life]

Return to the simple TRUTH that no one part of the first resurrected UNLESS they have been BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT

The unjust are also going to be resurrected brother David. For the second death.

Jesus was talking to Martha about her brother's physical death and about the fact that He is the resurrection OF THE BODY.

It's okay I will leave your lack of ability to rightly discern the Word of truth and what Jesus meant in John 11:26 up to Him - as well as your insinuations regarding me because I disagree with you.

Believe me, I do not wish a rebuke on you or on anyone. Only a gentle correction. More than I can say you imply I will receive because I pointed out your lack of rightly discerning what Jesus meant. You're telling Christ I'm not saved or born of His Spirit by telling me to beware.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Otherwise, you would think John would have mentioned the bodily resurrection of saints somewhere in Revelation 20. But nope, if you are an Amil John certainly didn't mention the bodily resurrection of saints anywhere in Revelation 20. Thank God not all of us are Amils. Also thank God, neither was John an Amil.

I believe the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is shown in the 2 witnesses being bodily resurrected.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You don't take the word of God seriously.

LOL. Says the guy who disregards Paul's end times teachings.

Yes,Daniel 12 says your people.Not some other people

John 5:28-29 says all people in the graves without distinction.

And why do you ignore the fact that them who are resurected in the first resurection were beheaded for their witness of Jesus?

Do you have something against Jesus's martyrs that you won't even acknowledge the fact they died testifying of Jesus?

I don't ignore anything. You have no idea of what you're talking about. The dead in Christ will all be resurrected at the same time and not just those who were beheaded and Paul has that as the second resurrection in order, not the first (1 Cor 15:22-23). Christ's was the first. But, that's written in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, which I know you disregard because you don't think Paul knew what he was talking about.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It's not something you have never heard,

I have honestly never heard on a Christian forum where someone who claims to be a Christian denies sin has anything to do with the death of the body.

Here is where God announced His judgement on Adam after he had sinned by transgressing the command of God.

Genesis 3:17-19

King James Version

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17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”

Returning to the dust is talking about the death of the physical body because of sin.

You have denied the truth since Paul penned it. The wages of sin is SECOND DEATH, not physical death. Get it?!

Paul did not say that, once again Amils are adding to what is written.

Here is what is written….
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So you are saying that putting off the mortal body of the "alive and remain" Elect is considered as physically died at the Last Trump?!

It is called putting off this corruptible body and putting on incorruption….
1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe you are right, I don't know. But one thing that seems rather silly to me since John only mentions a total of 2 resurrection events in Revelation 20, not 3 or more, that being the first resurrection and the 2nd resurrection after the thousand years, that he would neglect to mention the most important resurrection event, the bodily resurrection of saints.

Even more important than Christ's resurrection? Wow. No.

The fact of the matter is that Christ's resurrection was first in order, not the resurrection of the dead in Christ. But, do you care about that? No. You'd rather change the rest of scrpiture in favor of your false interpretation of Revelation 20 than interpret Revelation 20 in light of the rest of scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Notice that Paul gives an order to the resurrection of the dead here. He very specifically said that Christ's is first in order. That goes along with what Paul said here:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

So, scripture clearly teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection. That means having part in the first resurrection is to have part in Christ's resurrection. The resurrection of the dead in Christ is the second resurrection in order, according to Paul.

As if a spiritual resurrection is all that is required to live throughout eternity, I guess in a disembodied state, that no one even needs to be bodily resurrected.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What is required in order for the second death to have no power over someone? This indicates that one must have part in the first resurrection in order for that to be the case. Is a bodily resurrection from the dead required to avoid the second death? No. Does the second death have any power over the souls of the dead in Christ that John saw? No! So, they must have already had part in the first resurrection. Clearly, one does not have to wait to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to have no power over them. If that was the case, then those who are alive and remain until the coming of Christ could not avoid the second death since they will not die and will not be bodily resurrected.

Then look at what else it says about those who have part in the first resurrection. They are "priests of God and of Christ". Are the souls that John saw not already priests of God and of Christ? Of course they are! Read this...

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

They are already priests of God and of Christ because He made them priests long ago as this passage shows. How can you not acknowledge that what it talks about in Revelation 20:6 was a current reality when it was written and has been ever since? You have to ignore the rest of scripture to not see that. Jesus has been reigning since His resurrection, as scripture explicitly teaches in passages like Matthew 28:16-18 and Ephesians 1:19-23. You just ignore all of that and change the rest of scripture in light of your false interpretation of Revelation 20 and you think nothing of it.

Otherwise, you would think John would have mentioned the bodily resurrection of saints somewhere in Revelation 20. But nope, if you are an Amil John certainly didn't mention the bodily resurrection of saints anywhere in Revelation 20. Thank God not all of us are Amils. Also thank God, neither was John an Amil.

Thank God you have no idea of what you're talking about or we'd all be forced to believe in a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Why not simply accept what I and several others now have been telling you ad nauseum!

Because I do not receive the testimony of men, the Testimony of God is greater. We who are of Christ’s flock do not hear or follow a strangers voice.

 

[David in NJ]

The unjust are also going to be resurrected brother David. For the second death.

Jesus was talking to Martha about her brother's physical death and about the fact that He is the resurrection OF THE BODY.

It's okay I will leave your lack of ability to rightly discern the Word of truth and what Jesus meant in John 11:26 up to Him - as well as your insinuations regarding me because I disagree with you.

Believe me, I do not wish a rebuke on you or on anyone. Only a gentle correction. More than I can say you imply I will receive because I pointed out your lack of rightly discerning what Jesus meant. You're telling Christ I'm not saved or born of His Spirit by telling me to beware.

The unjust are also going to be resurrected brother David. For the second death

And why are they appointed to the Second Death???

Because they were never Born-Again by the Spirit of God, therefore just as JESUS says: they CANNOT enter the Kingdom

In God's Eternal Life = A comes before B

Believe me, I do not wish a rebuke on you or on anyone. Only a gentle correction.

When JESUS rebukes me = it is always a BLESSING for HE loves me and YOU

When JESUS rebuked Peter it was because of His Great Love for Peter and for us.

Notice how Peter goes on following the LORD and becoming one of His Apostles.

I'll take the LORD's Loving rebuke anyday = even when it is earth shaking AND shakes us to the Core

"For this is what the LORD of armies says: ‘Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land." - Haggai 2:6

What are people on earth going to decide/choose?

A.) Shake, ROCK and Rise into GLORY

B.) Shake and Bake

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Stewardofthemystery @David in NJ @Davidpt @ewq1938

Don't overlook how much Amillennialism corrupts the gospel.

What a lie from the pit of hell. This could not be more false if you tried. Complete nonsense. Amillennialism absolutely does NOT corrupt the gospel at all. You have nothing but lies to back up your insane claims. We hold the great God and Savior Jesus Christ in much higher regard than premils do. We acknowledge that He rules over all of heaven and the earth NOW and is King of kings and Lord of lords NOW while premil does not. How are we corrupting the gospel? Not at all! What a lie!

 

[rwb]

I am seeing a pattern here: you cannot address direct questions. You skipped around various questions because they expose your hyper-literal approach.

Exactly! He becomes very pious and concerned about our need to understand what is written, when he is shown how his doctrine forces him to twist the Word of God and ignore that which does not agree with his unbiblical doctrines of man.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are purposely trying to take the meaning of the first resurrection that is future as it is written in Rev. 20: 5-6 and change it to mean it is only about Jesus alone being raised from the dead, which is past.

I allow scripture to tell me what the first resurrection is, but you'd rather change the rest of scripture in favor of your false interpretation of Revelation 20:5-6 instead of letting other scripture help you interpret it.

You have been warned numerous times.

I laugh at your warnings as they mean less than nothing to me. I know the truth and premil is not it.

 

[WPM]

I allow scripture to tell me what the first resurrection is, but you'd rather change the rest of scripture in favor of your false interpretation of Revelation 20:5-6 instead of letting other scripture help you interpret it.


I laugh at your warnings as they mean less than nothing to me. I know the truth and premil is not it.

Who does he think he is?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Read each post CAREFULLY

Some are denying the physical bodily resurrection that Transforms us into Immortal Glorified Sons of God.

Some are claiming it has already occurred, which it has in our spirits, and yet the Bodily Resurrection must AND will take place,
in the near Future = at His Second Coming.

Tell me who here is claiming that the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who does he think he is?

Apparently, he thinks he's God.

 

[David in NJ]

The unjust are also going to be resurrected brother David. For the second death.

Jesus was talking to Martha about her brother's physical death and about the fact that He is the resurrection OF THE BODY.

It's okay I will leave your lack of ability to rightly discern the Word of truth and what Jesus meant in John 11:26 up to Him - as well as your insinuations regarding me because I disagree with you.

Believe me, I do not wish a rebuke on you or on anyone. Only a gentle correction. More than I can say you imply I will receive because I pointed out your lack of rightly discerning what Jesus meant. You're telling Christ I'm not saved or born of His Spirit by telling me to beware.

You're telling Christ I'm not saved or born of His Spirit by telling me to beware.

NOPE - NEVER said that to you.

What JESUS says HE says to us ALL.

You have been Born-Again by the SPIRIT - YES

 

[rwb]

And that thought right there comes from misunderstanding and JESUS would rebuke you like HE did Peter = Matt 16:21-23


No one can be part of the First Resurrection unless they are already Part of the First Resurrection for A precedes B

John 3: 1-6
A.) Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 11:25
B.) Jesus said to her, “I am the Resurrection and the Life(Eternal Life)

You MUST FIRST pass thru the DOOR or you will be no more...........

C.) JESUS says: I am the Door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.


Crystal Clear like Heaven = Revelation 4:6
In God's Book of Life He begins with ABC's
When we know and believe His ABC's = you will be KNOWN of CHRIST

Exactly! Christ is the first resurrection that mankind MUST have part in before they physically die to overcome the second death! You get it, so why do you continue to argue the first resurrection of Rev 20 is a physical resurrection of the martyred saints? It is not, and you know WHO the "first resurrection" is, and you know how we must have part in Christ's resurrection is to be born again. That is to have part in Christ, the "first resurrection" SPIRITUALLY, by birth from above. It is NOT a bodily resurrection of the martyred saints, because as you've been repeatedly shown no man, except Christ Jesus shall be bodily resurrected again until the hour coming when the last trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I allow scripture to tell me what the first resurrection is,

Then believe it as it is written…

Revelation 20:5-6

King James Version

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5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.