Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

[David in NJ]

Which is why a/the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years! You prove my argument for a/the thousand years symbolically equating to time that began with the first coming of Christ and shall not end until the seventh/last trumpet begins to sound. You want to equate the symbolic time written in the Revelation to the literal/physical twenty-four hour days of creation. That does not compute! Time given this earth from creation to the end of days shall be physically fulfilled until this physical earth is utterly burned up. The time for which Satan is bound equates to the same period of time that Christ came to earth a man that the Gospel would be proclaimed unto all the nations of the world so the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God would be spiritually complete. Prior to the first advent of Christ, the nations of the world (Gentiles) were without God, in darkness & unbelief.

But now, since Christ has come and bound Satan by His cross and resurrection, the nations are no longer in bondage to darkness and death when they turn to Christ through HIs Gospel proclaimed in the power of His Spirit and believe Christ for everlasting life. Why? Because to believe in Christ is to have part in His resurrection life by being born again of the Spirit. When they have been born again they have entered into another realm that is NOT of this world of literal time, they are spiritually of the Kingdom of God in heaven, a spiritual, not physical realm where they do not worship Christ through their works, but they worship Him in spirit and in truth.

Which is why a/the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years!

The Scriptures SAY the OPPOSITE of your pov of "spiritual 1,000 years"

Thus we are 2,000 LITERAL Years since Christ Rose and Ascended back to the FATHER

Thus, His Second Coming ushers in the FIRST Literal Resurrection of the dead literal bodies of literal graves just as HE is FIRST.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

1 Cor 15:20-23
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

Can you SEE the Holy Spirit declaring JESUS as the First and the Last here?

 

[rwb]

Thus, His Second Coming ushers in the FIRST Literal Resurrection of the dead literal bodies of literal graves just as HE is FIRST.

If Christ's Second Coming ushers in the first bodily resurrection to immortal life, followed by one thousand years, the Bible is a contradictive book we should simply toss away. Yes, Christ is the "first resurrection", the ONE and only resurrection man MUST have part in to overcome the second death.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You Amils are trying to conflate the meaning of Jesus being The Resurrection with the term the first resurrection as defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

We're not conflating anything, Straw Man King. The Greek words "protos" (first) and "anastasis" (resurrection) are used together in only one other verse in scripture besides in Revelation 20.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first (protos) that should rise (anastasis) from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

That is why your Amil buddy said Jesus alone is the first resurrection. Which is like saying the first resurrection is past already.

No, it isn't saying that, Straw Man Supreme. You know we believe having part in the first resurrection has to do with believers spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection and that is not past already, but is an ongoing process that will occur until the future second coming of Christ.

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

We don't say that the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past already, Straw Man Superior, which is what you're claiming here, so you can take this false claim and shove it.

 

[Davidpt]

If Christ's Second Coming ushers in the first bodily resurrection to immortal life, followed by one thousand years, the Bible is a contradictive book we should simply toss away. Yes, Christ is the "first resurrection", the ONE and only resurrection man MUST have part in to overcome the second death.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Assuming Amil is the correct position, the last day meant here would have to be the same day Christ returns. The logic would then be this though, since days only consist of 24 hours. The same day Christ returns, Christ only has 24 literal hours to judge every single person that has lived since the beginning of time through the end of time, otherwise it is no longer the last day if this judging of people extends beyond 24 hours. Clearly, the last day can't be meaning outside of time since it is ludicrous that outside of time can have a last day. Therefore, Amils can't argue that verse 48 is meaning the last literal 24 hour day of this age and then argue the judging of everybody extends beyond 24 hours, or that it takes place outside of time.

The text clearly and plainly says, the same shall judge him in the last day. Not after the last day nor outside of the last day, but in the last day. Good luck getting anyone to believe that the great white throne judgment begins the same 24 hour day Christ returns, and before that 24 hour day has ended, Christ will have judged and sentenced every single person since the beginning of time through the end of time at the great white throne judgment.

This doesn't present a problem for Premil, though. This last day would be an era of time, not a literal 24 hour day instead. The era of time would involve the thousand years, satan's little season, then the great white throne judgment. None of it would be involving a literal 24 hour day as Amil would have us believe. What you have to prove is how verse 48 is meaning the same day Christ returns, which I don't disagree with, but that it only involves 24 hours or less, which I do disagree with. Keeping in mind, days involve 24 hours, and once 24 hours have come and gone, it is not still that same day, it is the next day, a new day.

Amil has to be the most preposterous position known to the church, because to believe Amil is the correct position is to believe that verse 48 is entirely fulfilled within the same literal 24 hour day Christ returns. As if the great white throne judgment can be fulfilled within a literal 24 hour day or less. Keeping in mind, per Amil the last day has to be invoving a literal 24 hour day otherwise it is not the last 24 hour day of this age if it is involving more than 24 hours. If it is involving more than 24 literal hours we are then in Premil territory, no longer in Amil territory.

Once again, the text clearly says He does this in the last day. Not after the last day nor outside of the last day. Also keeping in mind, days involve measurable time. Therefore, until this last day has ended, it is still involving 24 hour cycles in the meantime.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Assuming Amil is the correct position, the last day meant here would have to be the same day Christ returns. The logic would then be this though, since days only consist of 24 hours. The same day Christ returns, Christ only has 24 literal hours to judge every single person that has lived since the beginning of time through the end of time, otherwise it is no longer the last day if this judging of people extends beyond 24 hours. Clearly, the last day can't be meaning outside of time since it is ludicrous that outside of time can have a last day. Therefore, Amils can't argue that verse 48 is meaning the last literal 24 hour day of this age and then argue the judging of everybody extends beyond 24 hours, or that it takes place outside of time.

You continue to make the same weak, lame arguments over and over again. Do you never tire of doing that? And they are almost always straw man arguments which are a complete waste of time. We don't say that the judgment occurs during the last day as if the judgment goes on throughout the last day giving Jesus 24 hours to judge everyone. Instead, we say that the judgment occurs when the last day arrives. Clearly, if it occurred in real time the judgment would take a very long time to complete. Certainly more than 24 hours. We believe the judgment occurs in eternity. We believes Jesus returns at some point during the last day and then the judgment occurs in eternity after that. So, your straw man argument does not even address what Amils actually believe which is a total waste of time.

The text clearly and plainly says, the same shall judge him in the last day. Not after the last day nor outside of the last day, but in the last day. Good luck getting anyone to believe that the great white throne judgment begins the same 24 hour day Christ returns, and before that 24 hour day has ended, Christ will have judged and sentenced every single person since the beginning of time through the end of time at the great white throne judgment.

This doesn't present a problem for Premil, though. This last day would be an era of time, not a literal 24 hour day instead. The era of time would involve the thousand years, satan's little season, then the great white throne judgment.

This is ridiculous to turn the last day into 1,000+ years. That can't be taken seriously at all. It is a literal 24 hour day during which, at some point during that day, Jesus will return. The last day is the day of the Lord that will come unexpectedly like a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). After that occurs then eternity is ushered in and the judgment then occurs.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@rwb is included here

In FACT JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection for HE Alone is the BEGINNING & END of the FIRST FRUITS(Plural) unto GOD.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming - 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

So we can see here, CLEAR as DAY, that all who have died in Christ are a inseparable Member of Christ and Part of the FIRST Resurrection.

1 Cor ch15 is the SAME as Revelation ch20 =
A.) Blessed and holy are those(Plural) who share in the first resurrection.
B.) The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ
C.) and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Know your ABC's and you will know TRUTH

You are making 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 say what you want it to say. You're ignoring that Paul said that there is an order to the resurrections and Christ's resurrection was first in order. In your view there is no order to them at all. You only have a first resurrection and no second resurrection. But, a first implies a second or else Paul talking about an order to them would be pointless. So, he has Christ's resurrection being the first in order and then next in order are "afterward those who are Christ's at His coming". So, what you are calling the first resurrection is actually the second resurrection in order according to Paul.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Scripture explicitly says that Christ's resurrection itself is the first resurrection. You are trying to add other resurrections to the first resurrection, but you can't change what scripture says is the first resurrection. The question to answer should not be what is the first resurrection because scripture explicitly tells us that it was Christ's resurrection. The question instead should be but rather is how does someone have part in the first resurrection? Here's how...

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 3 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Note carefully what the following says...

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This verse indicate that having part in the first resurrection results in the second death having no power over someone. Tell me, do we need to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us? Does the second death have power over us right now? It doesn't, right? What does that tell you about what it means to have part in the first resurrection and what the timing of that is?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right, but the way you worded and redefined the meaning of “the first resurrection” below leads to confusion.

David in NJ said:
In FACT JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection (end quote)

You are not going to find the saying “JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection” in scripture. That is why I said stick to the way it is written and defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Is this verse in your Bible or not? Paul said the same thing in 1 Corinthians 15:20 by saying that Christ is the firstfruits of them that sleep.

To say that Jesus alone is the first resurrection (or that Jesus's resurrection alone is the first resurrection) is simply a case of agreeing with what scripture explicitly teaches. But, that doesn't mean Jesus is the only one involved in the first resurrection. Amils believe that all believers, without exception, have part in the first resurrection by spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection, but premils do not believe that all believers have part in the first resurrection. I believe that Revelation 20:6 says that one MUST have part in the first resurrection in order to avoid the second death, but premils don't believe that. So, amils place even more importance on having part in the first resurrection than premils do.

 

[jeffweeder]

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Assuming Amil is the correct position, the last day meant here would have to be the same day Christ returns. The logic would then be this though, since days only consist of 24 hours. The same day Christ returns, Christ only has 24 literal hours to judge every single person that has lived since the beginning of time through the end of time, otherwise it is no longer the last day if this judging of people extends beyond 24 hours.

God already knows the outcome for everyone. He doesn't need to sit down later and figure it out.
Everyone will realize their outcome the last day.
Can any of the dead change their outcome or are they judged already??

John 3:18
Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].

John 12:48
Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.

 

[rwb]

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Assuming Amil is the correct position, the last day meant here would have to be the same day Christ returns. The logic would then be this though, since days only consist of 24 hours. The same day Christ returns, Christ only has 24 literal hours to judge every single person that has lived since the beginning of time through the end of time, otherwise it is no longer the last day if this judging of people extends beyond 24 hours. Clearly, the last day can't be meaning outside of time since it is ludicrous that outside of time can have a last day. Therefore, Amils can't argue that verse 48 is meaning the last literal 24 hour day of this age and then argue the judging of everybody extends beyond 24 hours, or that it takes place outside of time.

The text clearly and plainly says, the same shall judge him in the last day. Not after the last day nor outside of the last day, but in the last day. Good luck getting anyone to believe that the great white throne judgment begins the same 24 hour day Christ returns, and before that 24 hour day has ended, Christ will have judged and sentenced every single person since the beginning of time through the end of time at the great white throne judgment.

This doesn't present a problem for Premil, though. This last day would be an era of time, not a literal 24 hour day instead. The era of time would involve the thousand years, satan's little season, then the great white throne judgment. None of it would be involving a literal 24 hour day as Amil would have us believe. What you have to prove is how verse 48 is meaning the same day Christ returns, which I don't disagree with, but that it only involves 24 hours or less, which I do disagree with. Keeping in mind, days involve 24 hours, and once 24 hours have come and gone, it is not still that same day, it is the next day, a new day.

Amil has to be the most preposterous position known to the church, because to believe Amil is the correct position is to believe that verse 48 is entirely fulfilled within the same literal 24 hour day Christ returns. As if the great white throne judgment can be fulfilled within a literal 24 hour day or less. Keeping in mind, per Amil the last day has to be invoving a literal 24 hour day otherwise it is not the last 24 hour day of this age if it is involving more than 24 hours. If it is involving more than 24 literal hours we are then in Premil territory, no longer in Amil territory.

Once again, the text clearly says He does this in the last day. Not after the last day nor outside of the last day. Also keeping in mind, days involve measurable time. Therefore, until this last day has ended, it is still involving 24 hour cycles in the meantime.

The text speaks of how they shall be judged on the last day, that is judgment day. Those who believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God is not condemned because in life before they died they showed they had faith to believe in Him. But those who love the darkness and refuse to come to the Light and Life through Christ that He has brought to this world. By their deeds, refusing the Light, they show themselves to be evil. Because they that do evil hate the Light and will not come to Christ for salvation. Therefore on the "last day" when they are called to stand before God at the GWTJ they must give an accounting of their deeds according to what is written in the books and the book of life.

John 3:18-20 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

You see how your argument is much ado about nothing? If God can speak whatsoever He wills and it is done, why does it seem to surprise you that He will judge all evil on the judgment (last) day?

 

[rwb]

God already knows the outcome for everyone. He doesn't need to sit down later and figure it out.
Everyone will realize their outcome the last day.
Can any of the dead change their outcome or are they judged already??

John 3:18
Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].

John 12:48
Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.

I see brilliant minds think alike  You beat me to Jo 3:18. Love it when others confirm truth.

 

[Davidpt]

No, I don't THINK Jesus alone is the first resurrection! I KNOW Jesus ALONE is the "first resurrection"! And one MUST have part in His resurrection before we breathe our last to overcome the second death!

Again, you prove you have nothing but unbiblical OPINIONS regarding the "first resurrection" to immortal life! You THINK some will be bodily resurrected to life again, even though the Bible tells us that NONE, except Christ, shall be raised to physical immortal & incorruptible life before the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds that time to be saved given mankind shall be no longer. Why do you THINK this? Because you have NO understanding of WHO the "first resurrection" is.

Can you explain how the following is making sense of the text?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection, the bodily resurrection of Christ.

I don't see Christ being bodily resurrected during when verse 4 is meaning. When verse 4 is meaning, regardless when it is meaning, Christ's bodily resurrection is already in the past at this point. The resurrection in verse 4 is not involving Christ rising from the dead and living again. It is involving His faithful followers rising from the dead and living again.

 

[Davidpt]

God already knows the outcome for everyone. He doesn't need to sit down later and figure it out.
Everyone will realize their outcome the last day.
Can any of the dead change their outcome or are they judged already??

John 3:18
Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].

John 12:48
Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.

No one gets a fair trial then, right? Even in the real world most are given the opportunity for a fair trial and that it usually involves a period of time more than a mere 24 hour day. And that's just one person being tried. But you would have us believe that Christ judges and sentences every single human being that has ever lived, and that he does all of this from start to finish within 24 hours or less? LOL since that sounds preposterous, is preposterous. Keeping in mind, that the last day, until it ends, it is still involving measurable time in the meantime, consisting of 24 hour cycles. And if the last day extends beyond 24 hours after He initially returned, how then can it be the last 24 hour day? Where is the logic in that?

 

[David in NJ]

You are making 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 say what you want it to say. You're ignoring that Paul said that there is an order to the resurrections and Christ's resurrection was first in order. In your view there is no order to them at all. You only have a first resurrection and no second resurrection. But, a first implies a second or else Paul talking about an order to them would be pointless. So, he has Christ's resurrection being the first in order and then next in order are "afterward those who are Christ's at His coming". So, what you are calling the first resurrection is actually the second resurrection in order according to Paul.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Scripture explicitly says that Christ's resurrection itself is the first resurrection. You are trying to add other resurrections to the first resurrection, but you can't change what scripture says is the first resurrection. The question to answer should not be what is the first resurrection because scripture explicitly tells us that it was Christ's resurrection. The question instead should be but rather is how does someone have part in the first resurrection? Here's how...

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 3 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Note carefully what the following says...

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This verse indicate that having part in the first resurrection results in the second death having no power over someone. Tell me, do we need to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us? Does the second death have power over us right now? It doesn't, right? What does that tell you about what it means to have part in the first resurrection and what the timing of that is?

You are making 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 say what you want it to say. You're ignoring that Paul said that there is an order to the resurrections and Christ's resurrection was first in order. In your view there is no order to them at all.

In FACT i Posted 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 which CLEARLY states: "But each one in his own order"

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

CRYSTAL CLEAR

You only have a first resurrection and no second resurrection.

i referenced Revelation chapter 20 which has the FIRST Resurrection AND the second resurrection as well.

My limited discussion was focused on the FIRST resurrection

So, what you are calling the first resurrection is actually the second resurrection in order according to Paul.

Falsehood

NEVER = Not once does the Apostle Paul ever speak of a second resurrection pertaining to the Saints

Scripture explicitly says that Christ's resurrection itself is the first resurrection.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE and i NEVER said otherwise.

You are trying to add other resurrections to the first resurrection, but you can't change what scripture says is the first resurrection.

INCORECT AGAIN

CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection and when HE Returns all who died in Him is Part of the FIRST Resurrection because we are in HIM.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

No one can change what scripture says is the first resurrection = SEE 1 Cor 15:20-23 above

Do you understand that CHRIST is Coming Again to Resurrect the dead in Him??? = 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[David in NJ]

If Christ's Second Coming ushers in the first bodily resurrection to immortal life, followed by one thousand years, the Bible is a contradictive book we should simply toss away.

Only to those who are not yielding to the COMPLETE Prophetic Picture that began in Genesis and culminates with the Gospel and Revelation

 

[David in NJ]

Which is why a/the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years! You prove my argument for a/the thousand years symbolically equating to time that began with the first coming of Christ and shall not end until the seventh/last trumpet begins to sound. You want to equate the symbolic time written in the Revelation to the literal/physical twenty-four hour days of creation. That does not compute! Time given this earth from creation to the end of days shall be physically fulfilled until this physical earth is utterly burned up. The time for which Satan is bound equates to the same period of time that Christ came to earth a man that the Gospel would be proclaimed unto all the nations of the world so the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God would be spiritually complete. Prior to the first advent of Christ, the nations of the world (Gentiles) were without God, in darkness & unbelief.

But now, since Christ has come and bound Satan by His cross and resurrection, the nations are no longer in bondage to darkness and death when they turn to Christ through HIs Gospel proclaimed in the power of His Spirit and believe Christ for everlasting life. Why? Because to believe in Christ is to have part in His resurrection life by being born again of the Spirit. When they have been born again they have entered into another realm that is NOT of this world of literal time, they are spiritually of the Kingdom of God in heaven, a spiritual, not physical realm where they do not worship Christ through their works, but they worship Him in spirit and in truth.

You cannot make spiritual what GOD has made LITERAL.

You can only accept or reject "It is written"

There is not one word from the Mouth of God where HE says the 1,000 Years are only symbolic/spiritual.

GOD did EMPHASIZE that the 1,000 Years are LITERAL.

 

[David in NJ]

God already knows the outcome for everyone. He doesn't need to sit down later and figure it out.
Everyone will realize their outcome the last day.
Can any of the dead change their outcome or are they judged already??

John 3:18
Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].

John 12:48
Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.

There are TWO last days.

 

[jeffweeder]

No one gets a fair trial then, right? Even in the real world most are given the opportunity for a fair trial and that it usually involves a period of time more than a mere 24 hour day.

They have their whole lives to respond to the Lord God.

Acts 17
26 And He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands and territories. 27 This was so that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grasp for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28 For in Him we live and move and exist [that is, in Him we actually have our being], as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ 29 So then, being God’s children, we should not think that the Divine Nature (deity) is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination or skill of man.

30 Therefore God overlooked and disregarded the former ages of ignorance; but now He commands all people everywhere to repent [that is, to change their old way of thinking, to regret their past sins, and to seek God’s purpose for their lives], 31 because He has set a day when He will judge the inhabited world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and destined for that task, and He has provided credible proof to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

 

[jeffweeder]

There are TWO last days.

I was referring to the one when the heaven and the earth will pass away, ensuring that it will be the last day.

Lk 21
25 “There will be signs (attesting miracles) in the sun and moon and stars; and on the earth [there will be] distress and anguish among nations, in perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting from fear and expectation of the [dreadful] things coming on the world; for the [very] powers of the heavens will be shaken.

27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with [transcendent, overwhelming] power [subduing the nations] and with great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to occur, stand tall and lift up your heads [in joy], because [suffering ends as] your redemption is drawing near.”

 

[Davidpt]

If Christ's Second Coming ushers in the first bodily resurrection to immortal life, followed by one thousand years, the Bible is a contradictive book we should simply toss away. Yes, Christ is the "first resurrection", the ONE and only resurrection man MUST have part in to overcome the second death.

Let's be honest here. Amils are mainly the ones who are making the Bible contradict itself, in regards to your point here. Amil won't allow some prophecies to be fulfilled, thus making them false prophecies, the fact, per Amil, there is no era of time for these prophecies to be fulfilled. For example, prophecies such as the following.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Obviously, this is meaning after Christ returns, yet is meaning prior to 1 Corinthians 15:28 being fulfilled. Obviously, what is recorded in Matthew 19:28 can't be fulfilled within a 24 hour day or less. Therefore, it requires that there be an era of time reserved for this, post the 2nd coming, yet prior to 1 Corinthians 15:28 being fulfilled. Amil has no era of time to allow for this, therefore, making Matthew 19:28 another false prophecy brought about by Amil theology. And I can find plenty more examples. But all it takes is just one example to prove or disprove something. Therefore, this alone should be enough to debunk Amil.

Roger, I think one of your problems is this. You are not allowing for compressed passages. You are treating compressed passages as if they are uncompressed. An example of a compressed passage.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This passage is compressed. The end meant in verse 24 is not meaning when this is meaning in verse 23-- afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Keeping in mind that I brought up Matthew 19:28, that passage has to be fulfilled after when this in verse 23 is meaning----afterward they that are Christ's at his coming--before the end meant in verse 24 can arrive. Your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 ignores the fulfilling of Matthew 19:28, as if Matthew 19:28 is not even relevant, that it's just idle words taking up space in the NT for no apparent reason, not something that is actually going to be fulfilled eventually.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I’m amazed at how many cannot grasp this Truth. The first resurrection of the physically dead is to those who are in Christ.

Notice those who are of the first physical resurrection are called blessed and holy…

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Also notice in verse 5 it says “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished”

This clearly states that not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time.

The dead in Christ rise FIRST as is written, they are the “blessed and holy” who are of the FIRST resurrection.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace

The Dead ? the Saints ! of past.
And the Saints of todays etc are as one on the day ! and this is a Spiritual Power ! that is the issue !
No one is being Raptured up off the Earth at all ?
We are as one here on Earth Raptured up in regards the Holy Spirit in fact !

Only Carnal Religious people believe that one will be Raptured out of this Earth.

The Rapture is about being in Rapture = by The Power of the Holy Spirit ! their is nothing more Powerfull in fact !

If one is on about being taken away off this Earth, whats that's got to do with reality ? like who peddles such nonsense, that's a Deception and a Delusion !

When one is Dead passed away ? your Spirit is not Dead ! it still lives on. and that same Spirit that is in regards the Holy Spirit, is alive in one who has the Holy Spirit who walks alive in your body now.

Now the people who are not truly born again do not have the Holy Spirit in fact for they are Lost to the Holy Spirit because they are only Carnal or only Religious Carnal Dupes ! for They are of this world that Jesus said is Full of Deceptions and Delusions, for that is in fact Who they are in fact ! They have another spirit ?

But the Holy Spirit is always willing ? but the Flash is weak, their lies the problem in fact ! for the Carnal of this world are gaining power over the Sainst in fact ! I can see that ! Such is being erroded by Socialist ! who demand everything is done their way and the majority are to pathetic to understand that they are being Played for Fools by this world that Jesus pointed out is all about !

So the Nazis and Communist Satanic Greed driven Mob have it all sowen up and in the Bag ! They are dominating over the world in fact ! But when Trump is out of the way then comes the great Power of total Evil over everyone, a lot of people are going to fall for it all, thinking that they all have it made ? the Utopia is coming ! everything is going to be fantastic ! we are going to have everything that we want ? we can have sex with whoever, children, anything as long as it's within the new laws ? Marraige is finished and responcibility to your Children etc is finished ? all will be Equal ! You will serve the equality god ! not to mention many do all such now in fact ! all such is being ramped up as the years have gone by in fact ! you can have an abortion regardless in fact up to 9 months ! you are all free ? to be a total idiot !
People have given up their true rights under God ! in fact ! to be a person of God ! worthy of such ? remember that Sin is the wages of Death in fact ! So who is it that is selling out the People of God in fact ! we will all reap what has been Sowen in fact !

But the day will come that the whole rotten pox of mans works will come crashing down like a Pox from Hell ! and only truly responcible People will come out of such a Hellfire in fact ! why do we have Gods Laws ? it's all to do with Love for others in fact, not to be a goose !

I will say that i was Raptured up as Jesus said regarding Natheniel ! why was Jesus saying such to Nathaniel ? because he was worthy of Israel in fact ! Nathaniel was Israel it's self in fact ! The very Key too such in fact !

The Day will come that Christ Jesus will be respected totaly, because the Deceptions and Delusions will be exposed in fact !

That day is the Rapture ! no one is running away ! such will be standing up for they will have Virtue !

Where is the Virtue gone nowadays ? do you hear of such ? do you hear of Malice being called out nowadays ? No you only see Malice being promoted !