Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[covenantee]

And they're back to stay!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

But according to you, He will strike Himself with the plague.

 

[amigo de christo]

"Spiritual Israelite"? No such thing!

Rather odd my friend . rather odd indeed . WHEN IT IS clearly said and clearly written
that not even ALL of israel IS OF ISRAEL . the true ISRAEL is THE ISRAEL OF GOD who worship GOD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .
PS , if one rejectes JESUS , they didnt hear THE SPIRIT cause it TESTIFIES OF HIM
if one rejectes JESUS they are not hearing FROM GOD , cause GOD TESTIFIES OF THE SON .
Not spiritual . My friend i advice you leave the nars prophets and teachings of men
and rather just return to the bible for you and learn well .

 

[David in NJ]

New Testament scripture repeatedly says that God is not a respecter of persons (doesn't show favoritism because of nationality or anything like that) and that Christians (the church) are God's chosen.

Colossians 3:11 11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. 12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.


There was a remnant of Israelite believers in Paul's day and still is today. God never abandoned them, as Paul said in Romans 11:1-5. But, this does not mean one's nationality has any bearing on salvation as some here believe. It does not or else God would be a respecter of persons, which He is not.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

ALL GLORIOUS TRUTH my Brother,

This does not delineate from the FACT that God created ALL the nations(Jew & Gentile) from ONE Blood.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
And He has made from one blood every nation

While at the same time HE distinguishes nations by LOCATION and those LOCATIONS developed Cultural Identity by those LOCATIONS.

And HE has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,
and HE has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
Acts 17:22-31

 

[amigo de christo]

@Jack,
none of us (@Spiritual Israelite, @covenantee and myself) are trying to be the flesh nation of unRedeemed Israel.

Tha would mean we would be denouncing our Savior and Redeemer, the Only TRUE and Eternal ISRAEL = YHWH

So please drop this false argument.

Dont believe i could have said or written this better myself . Jack has zero idea what we speak of my friend .
But i am praying he will begin to learn . them wise scholars sure know how to convince and to deceive the people .
As i wrote above and afore , the children being LIED TOO and men know how to twist things .

 

[David in NJ]

I have. Many times.

In Genesis, who's name was changed from 'deceiver' to Israel???

 

[David in NJ]

Dont believe i could have said or written this better myself . Jack has zero idea what we speak of my friend .
But i am praying he will begin to learn . them wise scholars sure know how to convince and to deceive the people .
As i wrote above and afore , the children being LIED TOO and men know how to twist things .

The Holy Spirit is enemy #1 to the wise scholars of this generation who declare themselves as wiser then the Author of the Scriptures.

Since the Holy Spirit is a SPIRIT, they can only disdain those who have the Holy Spirit and speak by the Spirit of Truth = Thy Word

Thus God gave to us the Eternal RECORD of the Book of ACTS for instruction and encouragement in His Righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Spiritual Israelite"? No such thing!

There is such thing no matter what nonsense you say. I guess Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-22 and the following passage are not in your Bible.

Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

Despite what you think, circumcision (associated with religious Jews) and uncircumcision (associated with Gentiles) mean nothing and what matters and counts is being a new creation in Christ which makes you part of the spiritual Israel of God.

 

[David in NJ]

Dont believe i could have said or written this better myself . Jack has zero idea what we speak of my friend .
But i am praying he will begin to learn . them wise scholars sure know how to convince and to deceive the people .
As i wrote above and afore , the children being LIED TOO and men know how to twist things .

Media operatives on Saturday appeared to call for a government ministry of truth to save the public from “disinformation.”

The remarks were made on MSNBC’s “The Weekend,” which on Saturday featured Nina Jankowicz as a guest. Jankowicz was tapped in 2022 by the Biden-Harris administration to lead the Disinformation Governance Board (DGB), a body that was slated to work with the Department of Homeland Security to stamp out “disinformation.”

Jankowicz, who has said she “shudders” at the thought of free speech, has been a frequent source of disinformation. She vehemently claimed the Hunter Biden laptop was a “Trump campaign product” and in 2016 peddled the false conspiracy theory that Donald Trump conspired with the Kremlin to steal the presidential election.

The DGB was scrapped after backlash. Last year, leaked documents revealed that the board was meant to silence opponents of the Biden-Harris administration, including those who question the 2020 election results.

On MSNBC Saturday, Jankowicz signaled she is still bitter about the DGB’s cancelation. She spent the segment fuming against Trump and billionaire Elon Musk for spreading "disinformation," particularly by how they called out the disastrous response from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to Hurricane Helene.

“[FEMA agents] are first responders meant to be dealing with emergency assistance,” she said. “They have had to become disinformation experts and there was meant to be a bureau within DHS focusing on this that I was meant to lead.”

“This is why Nina should be employed today in the federal government,” responded host Symone Sanders-Townsend.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Holy Spirit is enemy #1 to the wise scholars of this generation who declare themselves as wiser then the Author of the Scriptures.

Since the Holy Spirit is a SPIRIT, they can only disdain those who have the Holy Spirit and speak by the Spirit of Truth = Thy Word

Thus God gave to us the Eternal RECORD of the Book of ACTS for instruction and encouragement in His Righteousness.

What were some of the last recorded words of even peter . Who soon after left this tabernacle
I will NOT be negligent to put you ALWAYS in remembrance of these things
EVEN THOUGH you already know them and be established in truth .
Peter would go on to write
THERE WOULD BE A WAY , HE would leave a way for them , EVEN after his decease , to always have these things in remembrance .
And hims mentioned paul and his letters too .
THEY DID IT my friend . GOD MADE SURE the lambs would have always these pure and holy letters of truth
SADLY MOST DONT SEEM too interested in them , rather at most they are interested
in what smooth talking scholars and men have to say as THEY TWIST what little scrips they even bother
UNTO they own destruction . Even as paul once said and wrote
FOR me to write these things to you it is not griveious for me , BUT SAFE FOR YOU .
THEM scholars WILL NOT be heeded by ME . And any and every WORD of man that even dares to try and twist something
I RECIEVE NOT A WORD outta that mouth or they book or they whatever . To many i am seen
as the enemy and judger , as the accuser of the brethren . BUT IT SURE AINT ME ACCUSING GOD
trashing HIS WORDS , ITS THEM . they jUDGE GOD THEY CALL GOD A LIAR and their men TRUE .

 

[David in NJ]

What were some of the last recorded words of even peter . Who soon after left this tabernacle
I will NOT be negligent to put you ALWAYS in remembrance of these things
EVEN THOUGH you already know them and be established in truth .
Peter would go on to write
THERE WOULD BE A WAY , HE would leave a way for them , EVEN after his decease , to always have these things in remembrance .
And hims mentioned paul and his letters too .
THEY DID IT my friend . GOD MADE SURE the lambs would have always these pure and holy letters of truth
SADLY MOST DONT SEEM too interested in them , rather at most they are interested
in what smooth talking scholars and men have to say as THEY TWIST what little scrips they even bother
UNTO they own destruction . Even as paul once said and wrote
FOR me to write these things to you it is not griveious for me , BUT SAFE FOR YOU .
THEM scholars WILL NOT be heeded by ME . And any and every WORD of man that even dares to try and twist something
I RECIEVE NOT A WORD outta that mouth or they book or they whatever . To many i am seen
as the enemy and judger , as the accuser of the brethren . BUT IT SURE AINT ME ACCUSING GOD
trashing HIS WORDS , ITS THEM . they jUDGE GOD THEY CALL GOD A LIAR and their men TRUE .

the Apostle Peter , like His Savior, are Post-Tribbers = 1 Peter 4:12-19

Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters.
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

 

[amigo de christo]

Media operatives on Saturday appeared to call for a government ministry of truth to save the public from “disinformation.”

The remarks were made on MSNBC’s “The Weekend,” which on Saturday featured Nina Jankowicz as a guest. Jankowicz was tapped in 2022 by the Biden-Harris administration to lead the Disinformation Governance Board (DGB), a body that was slated to work with the Department of Homeland Security to stamp out “disinformation.”

Jankowicz, who has said she “shudders” at the thought of free speech, has been a frequent source of disinformation. She vehemently claimed the Hunter Biden laptop was a “Trump campaign product” and in 2016 peddled the false conspiracy theory that Donald Trump conspired with the Kremlin to steal the presidential election.

The DGB was scrapped after backlash. Last year, leaked documents revealed that the board was meant to silence opponents of the Biden-Harris administration, including those who question the 2020 election results.

On MSNBC Saturday, Jankowicz signaled she is still bitter about the DGB’s cancelation. She spent the segment fuming against Trump and billionaire Elon Musk for spreading "disinformation," particularly by how they called out the disastrous response from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to Hurricane Helene.

“[FEMA agents] are first responders meant to be dealing with emergency assistance,” she said. “They have had to become disinformation experts and there was meant to be a bureau within DHS focusing on this that I was meant to lead.”

“This is why Nina should be employed today in the federal government,” responded host Symone Sanders-Townsend.

As if man can lead us into the ministry of truth to save us from anything , let alone a lie .
You will soon see a very sad fact david , WELL if you have not seen it already .
There are many so called savoirs and always they come and sit as though they are the minstirs of truth
sent to save us , help us , guide us , the only problem is , while its true they are ministirs , I SURE DONT SEE TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

the Apostle Peter , like His Savior, are Post-Tribbers = 1 Peter 4:12-19

Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters.
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

The thing is my friend . most are never gonna see it . OH they will see people getting rounded up
reeducated , sent to death . but what they will never see or know is
ITS GODS PEOPLE you doing this too , the god they followed was NOT THE GOD .
but on the day of THE JUDGMENT OF GOD and of HIS WRATH , they will soon realize that , BUT TOO LATE it will be .

 

[amigo de christo]

the Apostle Peter , like His Savior, are Post-Tribbers = 1 Peter 4:12-19

Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters.
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

they all KNEW it was a one TIME EVENT . every last one them knew this . its all over their writings .
but as i wrote earlier and as i said afore , scholars have done great damage unto this people

 

[David in NJ]

The thing is my friend . most are never gonna see it . OH they will see people getting rounded up
reeducated , sent to death . but what they will never see or know is
ITS GODS PEOPLE you doing this too , the god they followed was NOT THE GOD .
but on the day of THE JUDGMENT OF GOD and of HIS WRATH , they will soon realize that , BUT TOO LATE it will be .

When i post CLEAR as DAY scriptures that a 5th Grader can understand, they say to me: "You are twisting scripture"

AND WHY do they say this? = to protect their idols

 

[Marvelloustime]

they all KNEW it was a one TIME EVENT . every last one them knew this . its all over their writings .
but as i wrote earlier and as i said afore , scholars have done great damage unto this people

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

What were some of the last recorded words of even peter . Who soon after left this tabernacle
I will NOT be negligent to put you ALWAYS in remembrance of these things
EVEN THOUGH you already know them and be established in truth .
Peter would go on to write
THERE WOULD BE A WAY , HE would leave a way for them , EVEN after his decease , to always have these things in remembrance .
And hims mentioned paul and his letters too .
THEY DID IT my friend . GOD MADE SURE the lambs would have always these pure and holy letters of truth
SADLY MOST DONT SEEM too interested in them , rather at most they are interested
in what smooth talking scholars and men have to say as THEY TWIST what little scrips they even bother
UNTO they own destruction . Even as paul once said and wrote
FOR me to write these things to you it is not griveious for me , BUT SAFE FOR YOU .
THEM scholars WILL NOT be heeded by ME . And any and every WORD of man that even dares to try and twist something
I RECIEVE NOT A WORD outta that mouth or they book or they whatever . To many i am seen
as the enemy and judger , as the accuser of the brethren . BUT IT SURE AINT ME ACCUSING GOD
trashing HIS WORDS , ITS THEM . they jUDGE GOD THEY CALL GOD A LIAR and their men TRUE .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Dont believe i could have said or written this better myself . Jack has zero idea what we speak of my friend .
But i am praying he will begin to learn . them wise scholars sure know how to convince and to deceive the people .
As i wrote above and afore , the children being LIED TOO and men know how to twist things .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

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@amigo de christo

Notice it is at His Coming that the Resurrection of the Saints takes Place FIRST, afterwards the Rapture.

Notice that all pre-fibbers REVERSE the Holy Scriptures and say: pre-trib rapture first then the Resurrection

Notice: satanists practice REVERSING the Holy Scriptures, just as their Serpent master taught them

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Notice it is at His Coming that the Resurrection of the Saints takes Place FIRST, afterwards the Rapture.

Notice that all pre-fibbers REVERSE the Holy Scriptures and say: pre-trib rapture first then the Resurrection

Notice: satanists practice REVERSING the Holy Scriptures, just as their Serpent master taught them

Are you sure that is what they say? Why would they do that? How can the dead in Christ be raptured before being resurrected first? The word rapture itself refers to being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. I've never seen a pre-tribber claim that the rapture occurs before the resurrection of the dead in Christ and have no idea why anyone would claim that.

 

[David in NJ]

Are you sure that is what they say? Why would they do that? How can the dead in Christ be raptured before being resurrected first? The word rapture itself refers to being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. I've never seen a pre-tribber claim that the rapture occurs before the resurrection of the dead in Christ and have no idea why anyone would claim that.

Where have you been my Brother?

Go ask @Douggg and @Bladerunner and the other pre-fibbers.

They will all tell you that pre-trib rapture occurs BEFORE His Second Coming and the Resurrection
Here , watch, listen, from what they say.

What do postribs do with the fact that all take the mark????
Is it automatically transposed to "some"?
What do you do with th the passage that says power is given to the Antichrist to overcome the Saints. ?
What do you do with the passage that says, of the Believers in the tribulation, concerning the Antichrist, that they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony and they love not their lives unto death. Ahem....THEY DIE.

That is three Witnesses against your theory three biblical Witnesses that destroy every part of your theory.

CORRECT - the Saints go thru the GT and most will die for refusing the MARK

So you now know there is no truth to pre-trib rapture.