Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[David in NJ]

Are you sure that is what they say? Why would they do that? How can the dead in Christ be raptured before being resurrected first? The word rapture itself refers to being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. I've never seen a pre-tribber claim that the rapture occurs before the resurrection of the dead in Christ and have no idea why anyone would claim that.

@amigo de christo
Post #1 - the OP "rapture then resurrection" = REVERSE of 1 Thess 4:13-18
Post #3
Post #52
Post 64
Post 80
Post 144
Post 148

Pay ATTENTION to Posts 182 and 183

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where have you been my Brother?

Go ask @Douggg and @Bladerunner and the other pre-fibbers.

They will all tell you that pre-trib rapture occurs BEFORE His Second Coming and the Resurrection

Yes, I know that. That's why it's called "pre-trib". They see the rapture and His second coming as two different events, which, of course, is total nonsense. You think I don't know what pre-tribs believe? Of course I do. You're not understanding me. They do believe that the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then raptured (caught up) along with those who are alive and remain at the same time. They don't claim that no resurrection occurs before the rapture and that's what I thought you were saying. That's all I'm saying. But, they think this happens 7 years (or however long) before His second coming (and another resurrection) and that's where they are completely off base.

Here , watch, listen, from what they say.

CORRECT - the Saints go thru the GT and most will die for refusing the MARK

So you now know there is no truth to pre-trib rapture.

Edit: I responded to this not realizing you weren't talking to me here. Please don't respond to more than one person in the same post. Thanks.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I know that. That's why it's called "pre-trib". They see the rapture and His second coming as two different events, which, of course, is total nonsense. You think I don't know what pre-tribs believe? Of course I do. You're not understanding me. They do believe that the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then raptured (caught up) along with those who are alive and remain at the same time. They don't claim that no resurrection occurs before the rapture and that's what I thought you were saying. That's all I'm saying. But, they think this happens 7 years (or however long) before His second coming (and another resurrection) and that's where they are completely off base.


Edit: I responded to this not realizing you weren't talking to me here. Please don't respond to more than one person in the same post. Thanks.

Their Posts say CLEARLY rapture/resurrection = REVERSING Scripture

If you are going to be prideful, do not respond - dude!

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I know that. That's why it's called "pre-trib". They see the rapture and His second coming as two different events, which, of course, is total nonsense. You think I don't know what pre-tribs believe? Of course I do. You're not understanding me. They do believe that the dead in Christ will be resurrected and then raptured (caught up) along with those who are alive and remain at the same time. They don't claim that no resurrection occurs before the rapture and that's what I thought you were saying. That's all I'm saying. But, they think this happens 7 years (or however long) before His second coming (and another resurrection) and that's where they are completely off base.


Edit: I responded to this not realizing you weren't talking to me here. Please don't respond to more than one person in the same post. Thanks.

They don't claim that no resurrection occurs before the rapture and that's what I thought you were saying.

They ABSOLUTELY claim rapture BEFORE Resurrection

They claim the Resurrection is up to 7 years AFTER the fictional pre-trib rapture

I have asked them to answer which occurs FIRST in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and they refused because they MUST

If a pre-tribber admits that the Resurrection occurs BEFORE the rapture their doctrine goes up in smoke before their eyes.

So, what they do is invent multiple Comings of the Lord with multiple raptures & resurrections.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Their Posts say CLEARLY rapture/resurrection = REVERSING Scripture

If you are going to be prideful, do not respond - dude!

What is wrong with you? Nothing I said deserved this ridiculous response. I'm not defending pre-trib in case that's what you think. I'm just saying that they have the dead in Christ being resurrected and then raptured (caught up) right after that, but their timing of that event is way off. They have the resurrection of the dead in Christ and rpature occurring 7 years too early.

How can the dead in Christ be raptured without being resurrected first? That's not even possible. Is that what you're claiming that they're saying? If so, I have never seen them claim that. I don't see anyone claiming that in the posts you referenced, either, so we must not even be talking about the same thing. Get clarity on what is being discussed before you falsely accuse me of being prideful.

 

[David in NJ]

What is wrong with you? Nothing I said deserved this ridiculous response. I'm not defending pre-trib in case that's what you think. I'm just saying that they have the dead in Christ being resurrected and then raptured (caught up) right after that, but their timing of that event is way off. They have the resurrection of the dead in Christ and rpature occurring 7 years too early.

How can the dead in Christ be raptured without being resurrected first? That's not even possible. Is that what you're claiming that they're saying? If so, I have never seen them claim that. I don't see anyone claiming that in the posts you referenced, either, so we must not even be talking about the same thing. Get clarity on what is being discussed before you falsely accuse me of being prideful.

I'm just saying that they have the dead in Christ being resurrected and then raptured

No, they do not and that is the whole point - just one scripture reversal turns the Truth into a LIE.

Did you go back and SEE their posts CLEARLY stating rapture/resurrection?

The OP declares rapture BEFORE resurrection as does the posts i gave you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They ABSOLUTELY claim rapture BEFORE Resurrection

They claim the Resurrection is up to 7 years AFTER the fictional pre-trib rapture

They don't claim that no resurrection occurs when the rapture occurs. Where are you coming up with that? Just like pretty much everyone here believes, they believe the dead in Christ are resurrected and then caught up with those who are alive and remain to meet the Lord in the air. that is not what the disagreement with pre-trib is about. It's instead about them believing the resurrection of the dead in Christ and rapture (being caught up) occurs 7 (or however many) years before it will actually happen.

If a pre-tribber admits that the Resurrection occurs BEFORE the rapture their doctrine goes up in smoke before their eyes.

You and I know there's just one resurrection, but they don't believe that. I'm talking from their perspective of what they believe, so we're not on the same page here. They do believe that a resurrection occurs just before the rapture. But, the problem is they believe another resurrection occurs years later, which is false.

So, what they do is invent multiple Comings of the Lord with multiple raptures & resurrections.

Yes, of course! Hello? I'm not saying anything different. They do believe that a resurrection occurs just before the rapture occurs and that this happens before the tribulation. But, then they believe another resurrection occurs later at the second coming after the tribulation. That's where they are wrong because the rapture occurs at the second coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, they do not and that is the whole point - just one scripture reversal turns the Truth into a LIE.

Did you go back and SEE their posts CLEARLY stating rapture/resurrection?

The OP declares rapture BEFORE resurrection as does the posts i gave you.

You're not even trying to see my point. Slow down and read what I'm saying carefully. I know you can do it. I know they believe the rapture occurs before the resurrection at the second coming, but I thought you were saying that they believe no resurrection at all occurs before the rapture, but they do believe that. Understand? You haven't even been understanding what I'm saying up to this point, so you're arguing with a straw man.

 

[amigo de christo]

They ABSOLUTELY claim rapture BEFORE Resurrection

They claim the Resurrection is up to 7 years AFTER the fictional pre-trib rapture

I have asked them to answer which occurs FIRST in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and they refused because they MUST

If a pre-tribber admits that the Resurrection occurs BEFORE the rapture their doctrine goes up in smoke before their eyes.

So, what they do is invent multiple Comings of the Lord with multiple raptures & resurrections.

David you and spiritiual israelite might be misunderstanding each other .
I think i see exactly what he is trying to say . We all know pretrib should never have been taught .
But david , there is something dead wrong going on within the realm of christendom
and david , It cometh of the spirit of anti christ itself .
We got us a mega problem . most folks dont even believe the one true gospel anymore .
Oh they might lip it but they dont believe it . OR why would they be so in love
with this anti christ idea of interfaith about other religoins . SUMETHING dead wrong david .
We gots to fix this fast . I know we cannot stop it , but what we can do
is start bringing a ton or reminders about what JESUS himself said and later the apostels , specially the letters of john .
What i am about to say , to this heavily influenced interfaith generation , will be seen as judgmental and hateful .
But i gots to say it . The MYSTERY of inquity , that which is of antichrist , INTERFAITH IS ITS BABY . and all
who heading into the direction of finding common ground , etc
THEY already under its influence , AND IT WILL LEAD THEM TO THE LIE . This generation in large
has no idea what has taken over christendom . NO IDEA .

 

[David in NJ]

You're not even trying to see my point. Slow down and read what I'm saying carefully. I know you can do it. I know they believe the rapture occurs before the resurrection at the second coming, but I thought you were saying that they believe no resurrection at all occurs before the rapture, but they do believe that. Understand? You haven't even been understanding what I'm saying up to this point, so you're arguing with a straw man.

I know they believe the rapture occurs before the resurrection at the second coming,

GOOD - we are on the same page

I thought you were saying that they believe no resurrection at all occurs before the rapture,

YES, some pre-tribbers say no resurrection before the rapture AND 7 years later is His Second Coming is the Resurrection

That has been clearly stated by the member who started this Thread as well as @Douggg and others

When you cross examine them, they will scramble scripture up like eggs claiming multiple raptures.

They DO NOT believe the TRUTH of ONLY a 1st and 2nd Coming of the LORD = they can't, they are not permitted!

 

[amigo de christo]

You're not even trying to see my point. Slow down and read what I'm saying carefully. I know you can do it. I know they believe the rapture occurs before the resurrection at the second coming, but I thought you were saying that they believe no resurrection at all occurs before the rapture, but they do believe that. Understand? You haven't even been understanding what I'm saying up to this point, so you're arguing with a straw man.

I seen it . Look we have a far greater problem going on right now .
And i have never seen the depths of a delusion like the one i am watching . Its been at work
through seeker friendly and etc and has led right into interfaith , finding common ground .
THAT IS OF ANTI CHRIST . now i have long been warning against this .
Way back and years ago . back then folks , as usual , thought i was nuts
and no way is this of anti christ , no way is this how they create the one world religion .
And days turned into weeks , weeks into months , months into years .
WELL GUESS what , THEY AINT HIDING IT ANY MORE . the main man of interfaith
has announced that the christain religoin its truth , is no better than the muslims or any other religions truth .
THE LIE HAS SURFACED . THIS WAS Exactly where it was always headed .
And it will get worse and fast . JESUS has been trod under foot . And they thinks its the love of GOD they follow .

 

[David in NJ]

David you and spiritiual israelite might be misunderstanding each other .
I think i see exactly what he is trying to say . We all know pretrib should never have been taught .
But david , there is something dead wrong going on within the realm of christendom
and david , It cometh of the spirit of anti christ itself .
We got us a mega problem . most folks dont even believe the one true gospel anymore .
Oh they might lip it but they dont believe it . OR why would they be so in love
with this anti christ idea of interfaith about other religoins . SUMETHING dead wrong david .
We gots to fix this fast . I know we cannot stop it , but what we can do
is start bringing a ton or reminders about what JESUS himself said and later the apostels , specially the letters of john .
What i am about to say , to this heavily influenced interfaith generation , will be seen as judgmental and hateful .
But i gots to say it . The MYSTERY of inquity , that which is of antichrist , INTERFAITH IS ITS BABY . and all
who heading into the direction of finding common ground , etc
THEY already under its influence , AND IT WILL LEAD THEM TO THE LIE . This generation in large
has no idea what has taken over christendom . NO IDEA .

We got us a mega problem . most folks dont even believe the one true gospel anymore .

BINGO

They now believe in many gospels!

little lies turn into MONSTROUS LIES

 

[amigo de christo]

GOOD - we are on the same page


YES, some pre-tribbers say no resurrection before the rapture AND 7 years later is His Second Coming is the Resurrection

That has been clearly stated by the member who started this Thread as well as @Douggg and others

When you cross examine them, they will scramble scripture up like eggs claiming multiple raptures.

They DO NOT believe the TRUTH of ONLY a 1st and 2nd Coming of the LORD = they can't, they are not permitted!

That which is of anti christ , its finding common ground intefaith stuff ,
ITS GONNA LEAD to BLOODSHED against the true saints .
and worse , much worse , its gonna damn them all right to perdition who bought that lie .

 

[David in NJ]

I seen it . Look we have a far greater problem going on right now .
And i have never seen the depths of a delusion like the one i am watching . Its been at work
through seeker friendly and etc and has led right into interfaith , finding common ground .
THAT IS OF ANTI CHRIST . now i have long been warning against this .
Way back and years ago . back then folks , as usual , thought i was nuts
and no way is this of anti christ , no way is this how they create the one world religion .
And days turned into weeks , weeks into months , months into years .
WELL GUESS what , THEY AINT HIDING IT ANY MORE . the main man of interfaith
has announced that the christain religoin its truth , is no better than the muslims or any other religions truth .
THE LIE HAS SURFACED . THIS WAS Exactly where it was always headed .
And it will get worse and fast . JESUS has been trod under foot . And they thinks its the love of GOD they follow .

Notice how our Heavenly FATHER Laid the Foundation of all Truth that was to follow in Genesis.

Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights,
with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. James 1:17


TRUTH did not evolve = He ALWAYS Was = John 1:1

“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God.
“I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
Revelation 1:8

 

[amigo de christo]

BINGO

They now believe in many gospels!

little lies turn into MONSTROUS LIES

There is a reason some of the lambs are finding one another .
It might very well be that in the time ahead , the LORD has some us meet to endure what is coming against
us all . ALL i know is , GOD WILL LET US KNOW my friend .
You might want to possibly also start reaching out to the few. David
i know most folks will think what i type next is nuts , specially due to they think it wont happen to the saints .
BUT the GREAT TRIBULATION of all tribulations , DAVID its coming . And its gonna slam home against the true lambs
who did not conform to the anti christ interfaith diversity ONE WORLD RELIGOIN .
Which they call love and cliam is of GOD . laws are changing david .
Prolonged dentention IS REAL and i suggest folks take a peek at who is number one ON said potential terroist list .
A HINT , IT WONT BE THE ALL INCLUSIVE MANY PATH fake christendom , ITS THE REAL LAMBS my friend .
those who Actually HOLD to the truth in SCRIPTURE and wont bend or conform to this world .

 

[David in NJ]

There is a reason some of the lambs are finding one another .
It might very well be that in the time ahead , the LORD has some us meet to endure what is coming against
us all . ALL i know is , GOD WILL LET US KNOW my friend .
You might want to possibly also start reaching out to the few. David
i know most folks will think what i type next is nuts , specially due to they think it wont happen to the saints .
BUT the GREAT TRIBULATION of all tribulations , DAVID its coming . And its gonna slam home against the true lambs
who did not conform to the anti christ interfaith diversity ONE WORLD RELIGOIN .
Which they call love and cliam is of GOD . laws are changing david .
Prolonged dentention IS REAL and i suggest folks take a peek at who is number one ON said potential terroist list .
A HINT , IT WONT BE THE ALL INCLUSIVE MANY PATH fake christendom , ITS THE REAL LAMBS my friend .
those who Actually HOLD to the truth in SCRIPTURE and wont bend or conform to this world .

Of course what you and i say are 'nutz' = for we believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Whereas, most church-goers only know what they are told by their denomination and never check to SEE if they are truth.

SHOCKER in Heaven Awaits - Proverbs 30:5-6 and Isaiah 66:5

Hear the word of the Lord,
You who tremble at His word:
“Your brethren who hated you,
Who cast you out for My name’s sake, said,
‘Let the Lord be glorified,
That we may see your joy.’
But they shall be ashamed.”

 

[amigo de christo]

Notice how our Heavenly FATHER Laid the Foundation of all Truth that was to follow in Genesis.

Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights,
with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. James 1:17


TRUTH did not evolve = He ALWAYS Was = John 1:1

“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God.
“I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
Revelation 1:8

For years i warned david and NOW THE LIE has surfaced .
But something else i have been warning about too . AND ITS COMING TOO .
The greatest hour of tribulation to come against the true church who would not bend the knee to this
false love god of interfaith who has ensnared so many and is bringing them right to the LIE .
And friend . I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH TIME we got left . THINGS can move real fast . Specially
in a world that has the tech we now do . Anything can kick it off david
and when it do , the peoples are actually only gonna see us as haters of humanity , of love and of GOD .
YES they will believe they DO THE WILLOF GOD when dangerous haters like us are betrayed and killed .
BUT JESUS DID warn even HIS OWN . and we have seen things like this throughout the ages
only THIS TIME its gonna be one world wide huge tribulation . Folks better get in their bible is all i can say
and start learning that GOD , HIS CHRIST , that DOCTRINE for themselves , cause that which is of anti christ
and its leaders , SURE AS HECK aint gonna feed their churches or peoples THE TRUTH at all .

 

[Bladerunner]

There is a reason some of the lambs are finding one another .
It might very well be that in the time ahead , the LORD has some us meet to endure what is coming against
us all . ALL i know is , GOD WILL LET US KNOW my friend .
You might want to possibly also start reaching out to the few. David
i know most folks will think what i type next is nuts , specially due to they think it wont happen to the saints .
BUT the GREAT TRIBULATION of all tribulations , DAVID its coming . And its gonna slam home against the true lambs
who did not conform to the anti christ interfaith diversity ONE WORLD RELIGOIN .
Which they call love and cliam is of GOD . laws are changing david .
Prolonged dentention IS REAL and i suggest folks take a peek at who is number one ON said potential terroist list .
A HINT , IT WONT BE THE ALL INCLUSIVE MANY PATH fake christendom , ITS THE REAL LAMBS my friend .
those who Actually HOLD to the truth in SCRIPTURE and wont bend or conform to this world .

They call the Rapture of the Church both those dead and alive in Christ. We are told that we the church (those who are spirtually part of) willl not go through God's wrath as described in Rev. 6-19. It is supposed to be the Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13). trying to live through the Horror that is to come i Daniel's 70th week, is not a Blessed Hope.

 

[amigo de christo]

They call the Rapture of the Church both those dead and alive in Christ. We are told that we the church (those who are spirtually part of) willl not go through God's wrath as described in Rev. 6-19. It is supposed to be the Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13). trying to live through the Horror that is to come i Daniel's 70th week, is not a Blessed Hope.

OF course my dear friend . OF course we wont go through the wrath of GOD . BUT I SPEAK OF THE ALL OUT
wrath of the beast . WHO DO COME AGAINST the saints . I never said WE go through the wrath of GOD
NO HIS wrath will come against those who persecuted us , who worshipped this beast .
HIs wrath , as IS HIS COMING , BE A ONE TIME EVENT . when HE COMES For his CHURCH
HE ALSO lways down the wrath of GOD against the beast and all who worshipped it . OF course
WE dont go under the wrath of GOD . but beware of man , FOR IN THIS WORLD YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION .
yea , beware of men and beware of wolves in wool , of which we now have many
and they lead this christendom and the false religions to merge as one UNDER THE LIE . OH its going on RIGIHT NOW .
just saying . beware of INTERFAITH , beware of those who cry LET US FIND COMMON ground
let us break down walls and build bridges . THEY BEEN DUPING YA the whole time .
IT WAS ALWAYS to lead us to THIS HOUR wherein all would BELIEVE THE LIE . and that lie
ITS HERE . wanna hear it . POPE francis SAID IT . the christain truth is no better than the muslim truth
or any other religoins truth . JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . I REPEAT JESUS has BEEN DENIED
this IS that which is of ANTI CHRIST , and sadly more and more within Christendom BELIEVE IT
and embrace what they all thinks is GODS PLAN FOR WORLD PEACE N SAFETY as they huddle together RIGHT UNDER A LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

They call the Rapture of the Church both those dead and alive in Christ. We are told that we the church (those who are spirtually part of) willl not go through God's wrath as described in Rev. 6-19. It is supposed to be the Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13). trying to live through the Horror that is to come i Daniel's 70th week, is not a Blessed Hope.

yeah , rather odd . JESUS said BLESSED are YOU when men persecute you ,
not to mention , look at all those tribulations since the days the church began till now .
LOTS OF BLOOD flow . rather odd today folks seem to think THAT AINT FOR US . NO , we BLESSED
we TOO BLESSED to be persecuted for GOD . something has went dead wrong with many people .
BLESSED are you WHEN men shall hate you , persecute you , EVEN KILL you for my name sake .
Guess peter , paul , james and others DIDNT KNOW A THING about THE BLESSED HOPE . yeah right .
THINK .
men are deceiving us . THEY aint preparing anyone for anything , rather in truth most have already
been headed right into and towards the very LIE . this is not good friend . I just want to help you .
You go to the bible and enjoy reading it again for yourself . THings will clear up in time .