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Spiritual Israelite

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Already did. Israel is home to stay in the Land of the Bible! You're not an Israelite!
I'm not a national Israelite, but I am a Spiritual Israelite. Learn the difference. Here, I'll show you the difference.

Romans 9: It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

National Israel is highlighted in blue in this passage and spiritual Israel is highlighted in red. Now, you have no excuse for not knowing the difference. Spiritual Israel consists of those who are God's children and are children of the promise and regarded as Abraham's spiritual offspring. All who are in Christ meet those criteria.
 

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I'm not a national Israelite, but I am a Spiritual Israelite.
BALONEY!
Learn the difference. Here, I'll show you the difference.

Romans 9: It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

National Israel is highlighted in blue in this passage and spiritual Israel is highlighted in red. Now, you have no excuse for not knowing the difference. Spiritual Israel consists of those who are God's children and are children of the promise and regarded as Abraham's spiritual offspring. All who are in Christ meet those criteria.
 

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You sound just like one of these:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Maybe we can pull you out of the fire! Maybe.
Who do these sound like?

They were the fellows that you adore.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
 

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All you have shown is HATRED for Israel, just like Satan!
Your lies do nothing but expose you as a liar. I do not hate Israel. I love all people. I simply don't count Christ rejecters among God's people because scripture doesn't. I hope those in Israel who reject Christ will repent and become children of God. Until then, they are children of Satan.
 

amigo de christo

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The Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture.
One must know the Spirit of Truth in order to understand His words.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness

Those who argue against scripture are arguing against God.
Those who add to God's words what HE never said, to change the Truth are followers of men and not of Christ.

As more then one person on here has said: "my pastor says....."

The falling away is in full swing and will only get worse.
Just as the Apostle John said: "no lie is of the Truth"

Just as the Apostle Paul said:
For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.

These teachers of falsehood wear paper crowns and call themselves 'masters and doctors of divinity' for they love praise from men.
I must agree my friend . I seem to notice a very common characteristic amongst these great so called scholars .
They can take up to half a page to explain their so called wise view
they can speak long speeches
They can speak and write and yet all they do is twist what is plainly written in order to fit SOMETHING they believed
and what they believed actually caused one thing . DISOBEDIANCE and unbelief in what
the original actually said .
For example they often do this . Now please bear with me and see what it is they really do .
The ever wise and highly intellectual scholars is liken unto a man
who went unto a child . This child had been well instructed by their father
who had told this child that he desired only good for the child . That he desired joy for child and that he wanted
his child safe , and happy and having the joy of the LORD . And that the child needed to always heed
his advice .
Now before the child left to go to school the father had said , my dear son today
when you get home i want you to take out the trash and if you do not then i will have to discpline you .
SO off the child went to school . After the school the child was headed home
and a wise highly intellectual scholar met him . And said to the child
did you father tell you that he wanted you to take out the trash .
And the child said , YES he did and that if i did not he would punish me .
NAY nay said the scholar , did you father not tell you that he wanted you to have joy . does taking out the trash
bring you joy . TO which the child said , well no not really i had rather be playing .
WELL then you go and play and later when you father arrives AT THE TIME appointed this evening
And he sees that you have not taken out the trash , you remind him , but dad you said you wanted me to have joy .
AND Now a word .
When the father of said child gets home and sees that trash was not taken out
DO ya really think he is gonna buy it when the child says , but daddy i thought you wanted me to have joy
so i went to play . Exactly . these folks twist crap non stop in order to find a way
to go around something that was clearly said . GUESS who dont heed them scholars . THIS LAMB . not a word
out of their mouths do i heed . and my advice is , We get a nose in that bible for ourselves
cause GOD and HIS CHRIST meant WHAT THEY SAID
and he or she who listens to any one who tries to say otherwise and takes things out of text
in order to justify why they do as they do , GONNA find out the HARD WAY why it was THEY SHOULD have TRUSTED
GOD and not men .
 

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Who do these sound like?

They were the fellows that you adore.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Somehow, that doesn't seem like how Jesus would talk to those He considers to be His chosen people, but maybe it's just me? I'm pretty sure He said His sheep are those who follow Him and not those who don't follow Him, but maybe my memory is fuzzy?
 

Jack

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Your lies do nothing but expose you as a liar. I do not hate Israel. I love all people. I simply don't count Christ rejecters among God's people because scripture doesn't. I hope those in Israel who reject Christ will repent and become children of God. Until then, they are children of Satan.
Then stop trying to STEAL Israel's identity! You ain't Israel!
 
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This is the spirit of antichrist = it duplicates what God has said but redirects it away from God to man

The MOST CLEAR example of the spirit of antichrist is the Vatican.

The Harlot has many children and Her children will mimic Her ways = "my priest/pastor says.................."

Just imagine how GLORIOUS it could be right now, Today, if God's people (Jew & Gentile) listened to the only Voice of Truth
and went to their rabbis, pastors, priests and imam with the Word of their Heavenly FATHER and spoke the Truth to them,
just as JESUS and the Apostles and Stephen did.

For that my Brother, is the definition of REVIVAL
and yet whose voice do they heed . apparently a large part of christendom
and of the ever merging religoins , SEEM TO BELIEVE another voice as though that voice
be the VOICE OF GOD HIMSELF preparing them for PEACE .
Rather odd it says the HARLOT has power and influence over the kings and etc of this world
and rather odd i seem to see THE WILL of THE HARLOT GETTING DONE as everyone
seems to have run their denomination to UNITY with it and now to UNITY with all religoins .
DO you ever get the FEELING that it is possible for the devilhimself and his men
to come FROM WITHIN and teach this people lies and falsehoods and promise them peace
WHEN THERE IS NO PEACE ,
and that these minstirs so called can actually RUN OFF the true few who do warn
and tell of the coming SWORD , who warn the wicked to repent of his way,
WELL LETS EXAMINE what occured even in JERUSALEM , whom GOD himself said YE HAVE BECOME as SODOM UNTO ME
ye not longer even HIDE your sins , HECK you honor them in the streets .
WHO did the mass majority heed and who did they reject . THEY HEEDED THE FALSE
and their message of peace , and none repented of his wicked ways for they promise them life
DO YA EVER get the feeling THIS IS GOING ON HUGE WITHIN CHRISTENDOM
and the very few who do warn are the ones getting run off , told to NOT JUDGE , stop hating
I never seen a delusoin so great that has taken so many into its web and they THINK
OH ITS LOVE , ITS OF GOD , only IT SURE seems to embrace certain sins , IT SURE seems to embrace UNBELIEF IN CHRIST
IT sure seems to CONTRADICT GOD , CHRIST , The apostels , THE TRUTH .
and the only truths it brings , it has taken out of text to cause this people to do one thing , TO BELIEVE A LIE
and NOT GOD .
 

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I must agree my friend . I seem to notice a very common characteristic amongst these great so called scholars .
They can take up to half a page to explain their so called wise view
they can speak long speeches
They can speak and write and yet all they do is twist what is plainly written in order to fit SOMETHING they believed
and what they believed actually caused one thing . DISOBEDIANCE and unbelief in what
the original actually said .
For example they often do this . Now please bear with me and see what it is they really do .
The ever wise and highly intellectual scholars is liken unto a man
who went unto a child . This child had been well instructed by their father
who had told this child that he desired only good for the child . That he desired joy for child and that he wanted
his child safe , and happy and having the joy of the LORD . And that the child needed to always heed
his advice .
Now before the child left to go to school the father had said , my dear son today
when you get home i want you to take out the trash and if you do not then i will have to discpline you .
SO off the child went to school . After the school the child was headed home
and a wise highly intellectual scholar met him . And said to the child
did you father tell you that he wanted you to take out the trash .
And the child said , YES he did and that if i did not he would punish me .
NAY nay said the scholar , did you father not tell you that he wanted you to have joy . does taking out the trash
bring you joy . TO which the child said , well no not really i had rather be playing .
WELL then you go and play and later when you father arrives AT THE TIME appointed this evening
And he sees that you have not taken out the trash , you remind him , but dad you said you wanted me to have joy .
AND Now a word .
When the father of said child gets home and sees that trash was not taken out
DO ya really think he is gonna buy it when the child says , but daddy i thought you wanted me to have joy
so i went to play . Exactly . these folks twist crap non stop in order to find a way
to go around something that was clearly said . GUESS who dont heed them scholars . THIS LAMB . not a word
out of their mouths do i heed . and my advice is , We get a nose in that bible for ourselves
cause GOD and HIS CHRIST meant WHAT THEY SAID
and he or she who listens to any one who tries to say otherwise and takes things out of text
in order to justify why they do as they do , GONNA find out the HARD WAY why it was THEY SHOULD have TRUSTED
GOD and not men .
my Brother in Christ Jesus our LORD

you must print this out and hand them out = Truth
 
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You sound just like one of these:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
The Lord fought against and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. Will He strike Himself with the plague? :laughing:
 

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The Lord fought against and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. Will He strike Himself with the plague? :laughing:
And they're back to stay!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.
 

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Then stop trying to STEAL Israel's identity! You ain't Israel!
@Jack,
none of us (@Spiritual Israelite, @covenantee and myself) are trying to be the flesh nation of unRedeemed Israel.

Tha would mean we would be denouncing our Savior and Redeemer, the Only TRUE and Eternal ISRAEL = YHWH

So please drop this false argument.
 
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