I have met mentally handicapped believers that were an absolute fountain of joyous transformation.
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ChristinaL
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ChristinaL
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both- transformation means little without knowledge. You can see people apparently transformed by joining the Mormons or RCC- does that mean they are saved?
There is no salvation in doctrine. Only God can save.
"My doctrinal opinion is true; you're doctrinal opinion is false." - Got it?
The (potential) Treachery of Doctrine > My way, or the highway >
What makes a doctrine false?
Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey
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ChristinaL
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Yes. If they are capable of understanding their sin and the need to accept Christ then they must do so. However if they are so extremely intellectually deficient that they are incapable of knowing and understanding sin, then God treats them as babies. They are covered
ChristinaL
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that is not a loophole- God does not judge and condemn people who cannot be held accountable for their sin. They must reach the age of spiritual maturity- an age that was set in biblical times but nowadays it depends on the child. In Exodus times the age was under 20- trying to find the right passage and having trouble- its something about the young people not knowing their right hand from their left. then over the centuries it got dropped to 12. The Jews today would say 13 but Jesus was 12 so I go by that. Nowadays it depends on the maturity of the child and what age they are exposed to evil
Right. It's an unbiblical doctrine created by those who rightly oppose the hell doctrine on the basis of God's good character.
But they reserve the hell doctrine for those that they call the enemies of God. Even though not everyone even knew who God/Jesus was.
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ChristinaL
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Hell is not unbiblical. Look it up, there are more than adequate resources online to answer any questions you have. Dont be lazy. Do it. Unless you fear the truth. Get your head out of this fantasyland you have locked yourself into. Not only that you didnt even pay attention to what I said.
I'm a recovering Evangelical.
I was formerly an Elder in the church. I reject the hell doctrine.
Did you know that there are three primary hell doctrines?
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You probably support the doctrine of the final judgement known as Damnationism. (eternal conscious torment)
But you are probably also familiar with the contradictory biblical doctrine of Annihilationism. (complete destruction of the damned)
And both of these biblical doctrines are in contradiction with the biblical doctrine of Universal Reconciliation.
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Yes He did. As you say, God is love..........but that isn't all He is. He is also a consuming fire.
The scriptures are able to make one wise unto salvation. There is value in the washing of the water of the word.....to wash and cleanse, to encourage, to warn, to instruct and exhort.....since we have a race to run in order to win the prize.
We are warned in scripture too that the time would come when men would not longer endure sound doctrine.
1Ti 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
2Ti 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Tit 1:9
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine
There are so many other scriptures that speak about the importance of doctrine as well. And we have (if we have) the Holy Spirit to witness the truth and lead us into all truth as well. Since this is a walk of (genuine) faith after all.
Death is the natural consequence and result of sin. Which man chose, and continues to choose, to do. But God in His mercy for our great folly and rebellion provided a way to escape it....through Christ. God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever would believe in Him would have eternal life. (But we can only grasp the sovereignty of God in this and all things by the Holy Spirit.....the carnal mind can't perceive it.)
You say you don't know which viewpoint is right.......which is funny because it's obvious from the slant of all your questions which one you favour and are trying to influence others to.
Are you unwilling to take a stand for fear it will interfere with "unity"? In which case that would be putting "unity" before Truth.
Everlasting punishment.....couldn't that just mean there is no coming back from it (death)? That it is permanent for those who remain outside of Christ? Jesus said, "Fear not he who can only kill the body, but fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell." And then in the end death and hell itself will be thrown into the lake of God's consuming fire, ending this present order of things. (This is why there will be no more death and no more tears of mourning or pain in the new heavens/earth when only what can't be "shaken" remains, ie, the spiritual heavenly realm.) As I understand it.
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