The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[David in NJ]

I think what confuses those who are adamantly opposed to the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved.

the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved.

Specifically this what you said.

Is your statement 'truth' or falsehood???
AND
How can you know either way???

 

[Biblepaige]

Specifically this what you said.

Is your statement 'truth' or falsehood???
AND
How can you know either way???

You can if you read Romans 11. And other passages.

 

[Biblepaige]

Question: Do you really and truly believe this to be truth?

Do you believe what God tells you in his word?

 

[David in NJ]

You can if you read Romans 11. And other passages.

Please post your evidence of: "the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved."
from Romans 11

Do you believe what God tells you in his word?

EVERY WORD HE Speaks

Now post the evidence that you claim to know - Thank You

 

[Biblepaige]

Please post your evidence of: "the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved."
from Romans 11



EVERY WORD HE Speaks

Now post the evidence that you claim to know - Thank You

No. Read Romans 11. Accept it or do not.

 

[MA2444]

JESUS says:
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;

You cant just cherry pick scriptures and build a doctrine on it. That is John 16 31
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;/

It says we will go through the normal tribulations of life which is comon to all men. But it isnt talking about the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 24: 21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.../KJV

There is so much difference between tribulation and great tribulation that is like comparing getting into an argument with your Wife and going to war on Normandy beach on D-Day.

I have tribulations every day almost. Some people have financial tribulations, others have wifely tribulations, others are persecuted and stolen from and robbed and raped...but that is not Great Tribulation and you not understanding that doesnt make it not so.

JESUS says:
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

JESUS says:
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”


Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

When did JESUS ever say 'pre-trib' I will come for you???

Go tell the men you follow they do not stand a chance against the Holy Spirit in this little stone!

Blah blah blah, word salad. You havent proven anything. WHy wont you address the scripture?

 

[Biblepaige]

Revelation 7:
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation to our God,

who sits on the throne,

and to the Lamb!”

11And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[MA2444]

Now post the evidence that you claim to know - Thank You

WHy? You wont address it.

 

[MA2444]

I think what confuses those who are adamantly opposed to the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved.

The souls under the altar! They will be saved but most will die or be beheaded.

 

[David in NJ]

No. Read Romans 11. Accept it or do not.

i read Romans 11 immediately after you made a claim that it says: "the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved."

You should never shy away from posting the Holy Scriptures of Truth.

FYI - i accept every word spoken in Romans chapter 11 and there is not one verse that even suggests what you said.

 

[David in NJ]

WHy? You wont address it.

i never shy away from seeking the Truth in God's word.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 7:
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation to our God,

who sits on the throne,

and to the Lamb!”

11And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Do you believe this is the pre-trib rapture?

 

[David in NJ]

You cant just cherry pick scriptures and build a doctrine on it. That is John 16 31
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;/

It says we will go through the normal tribulations of life which is comon to all men. But it isnt talking about the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 24: 21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.../KJV

There is so much difference between tribulation and great tribulation that is like comparing getting into an argument with your Wife and going to war on Normandy beach on D-Day.

I have tribulations every day almost. Some people have financial tribulations, others have wifely tribulations, others are persecuted and stolen from and robbed and raped...but that is not Great Tribulation and you not understanding that doesnt make it not so.



Blah blah blah, word salad. You havent proven anything. WHy wont you address the scripture?

Why are you running from the Truth?

Why would you deny CHRIST when HE says you will have tribulation in the world!

 

[Biblepaige]

i read Romans 11 immediately after you made a claim that it says: "the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved."

You should never shy away from posting the Holy Scriptures of Truth.

I never shy away from speaking or proclaiming God's word of truth.

What I avoid are those who would misrepresent God's message in order to engage in a conflict of their own invention so to insinuate the scriptures mean to say what they prefer.

FYI - i accept every word spoken in Romans chapter 11 and there is not one verse that even suggests what you said.

That's unfortunate. And yet, is not actually true.

 

[Biblepaige]

Do you believe this is the pre-trib rapture?

Those are ones saved during the great tribulation.

 

[David in NJ]

I never shy away from speaking or proclaiming God's word of truth.

What I avoid are those who would misrepresent God's message in order to engage in a conflict of their own invention so to insinuate the scriptures mean to say what they prefer.

That's unfortunate. And yet, is not actually true.

What I avoid are those who would misrepresent God's message in order to engage in a conflict of their own invention so to insinuate the scriptures mean to say what they prefer.

This is EXACTLY what you are doing when you say:"the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved."

So please share the scripture that you claim.

 

[David in NJ]

Those are ones saved during the great tribulation.

100% AGREE

How were they saved?

 

[Biblepaige]

This is EXACTLY what you are doing when you say:"the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved."

So please share the scripture that you claim.

Oh, my. And you sound so angry to learn of this. That the word of God shall not be mute during the great tribulation.

Oh,and you said that what you post there in bold. I did not .

 

[Biblepaige]

I'll share this in case anyone is concerned the gospel will be mute during the great Tribulation.
The full article is found here.

Will people be saved during the tribulation?

This Q&A answers the question when the Holy Spirit stops restraining the antichrist, will people be saved during the tribulation?

www.neverthirsty.org

Zechariah 12:10-14 – Massive Conversion In The Tribulation​

The Holy Spirit will still be present at the end of the tribulation drawing many to Christ. Zechariah 12:10-14 gives us a peek of an event that will occur at the end of the tribulation when the armies of the world will surround the city of Jerusalem. Zechariah 12:10-14 prophesies that the Holy Spirit (called the Spirit of Grace) will still be present at the end of the tribulation. Verse 10 says the Holy Spirit will be poured out and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will see Jesus and finally understand that He is their Messiah. They will mourn and a massive conversion of the Jews will occur. It is a fulfillment of Romans 11:25-26. This means that the Holy Spirit will be in the tribulation and a massive number of people will become Christians.

Conclusion:​

The testimony of Revelation is that the gospel will be preached throughout the tribulation. The gospel will be preached by the 144,000 witnesses, the two witnesses and an angel. God had the gospel preached so that people could hear the gospel and become Christians and people will believe. In Matthew 24:14 Jesus tells us that the gospel will be preached throughout the tribulation and until the end arrives at the second coming of Christ.

This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14 (NASB)

Therefore, scripture reveals that people will continue to become Christians in the tribulation.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh, my. And you sound so angry to learn of this. That the word of God shall not be mute during the great tribulation.

Oh,and you said that what you post there in bold. I did not .

i am not angry and i KNOW that God is saving people DURING the Great Tribulation


You said this

I think what confuses those who are adamantly opposed to the pre tribulation rapture is that those left behind are yet able to be saved.

Your own words from your own Post #1,699