To what does the APOSTASIA refer

[David in NJ]

Do you know why 2 Thes 2.3 is listed in this Lexicon? It is the contributor's opinion. I hardly think a person's opinion (just like you have) is something to cite as proof of one's position.

Read the Scripture in Post 197

JESUS, Paul & John all bear Witness to a "falling away/apostacy" from the Truth.

JESUS says it in Matthew chapter 24
Paul says the SAME in 2 Thess ch2
John says the SAME in 1 John 2:18-19

Turn away from falsehood and BELIEVE every word that comes from the Mouth of God

 

[IndianaRob]

ONLY for the world is it a day of darkness.

You fail to understand who CHRIST is in relation to His Body and in relation to the world.

OPEN your EYES to SEE

This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Man it’s amazing how you blatantly ignore scripture!

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

 

[David in NJ]

What exactly is the topic of discussion and the -isms and schisms and diverse answers?

2. [select] In the church, a separation, schism (eccl. Lat.), Vulg. Act. 21, 21; id. 2 Thes. 2, 3.

J.

Rain has canceled my CLIMB

i am greatfull as my left hip is hurting.

 

[Johann]

Read the Scripture in Post 197

JESUS, Paul & John all bear Witness to a "falling away/apostacy" from the Truth.

JESUS says it in Matthew chapter 24
Paul says the SAME in 2 Thess ch2
John says the SAME in 1 John 2:18-19

Turn away from falsehood and BELIEVE every word that comes from the Mouth of God

I concur-so why the disagreements?
J.

 

[David in NJ]

Man it’s amazing how you blatantly ignore scripture!

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Willful ignorance only blinds you to the LIGHT of TRUTH

"and then the lawless one will be revealed,
whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming."

it is only darkness for the world rejecting Christ = "no light in it"

ONE EVENT with Two Outcomes
LIGHT for His Saints who will be Resurrected & Raptured/Transformed into LIGHT
Darkness and Judgment for the world

 

[David in NJ]

I concur-so why the disagreements?
J.

No disagreement with us Brother = we SEE what is written clearly

@Ronald D Milam and our Brother @marks is attempting to CHANGE scripture by saying the apostacy is the rapture!!!

 

[Johann]

No disagreement with us Brother = we SEE what is written clearly

@Ronald D Milam and our Brother @marks is attempting to CHANGE scripture by saying the apostacy is the rapture!!!

But shouldn't we lovingly correct the members in the household of faith instead of calling them out?
J.

 

[David in NJ]

But shouldn't we lovingly correct the members in the household of faith instead of calling them out?
J.

They refuse the love.

Love is not always cuddly & warm

Proverbs 9:8 -
Do not rebuke a mocker, or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.

They have shut the door to their hearts in regards to the scriptures because i am not the one that they have googly eyes for.

There is a plague in christianity today = "respect of persons"
"seeking honor from one another"
means 'coffee clutching only with people who agree with you' and rejecting any outside voice,
ESPECIALLY when that voice comes from 'lower level uneducated minds' (lol)

the Body of Christ has drifted away from the POWER of the simplicity in Christ

Believe Jesus anyone?
our CREATOR says: "In the mouth of babes God has perfected praise"

 

[Johann]

They refuse the love.

Love is not always cuddly & warm

Proverbs 9:8 -
Do not rebuke a mocker, or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.

They have shut the door to their hearts in regards to the scriptures because i am not the one that they have googly eyes for.

There is a plague in christianity today = "respect of persons"
"seeking honor from one another"
means 'coffee clutching only with people who agree with you' and rejecting any outside voice,
ESPECIALLY when that voice comes from 'lower level uneducated minds' (lol)

the Body of Christ has drifted away from the POWER of the simplicity in Christ

Believe Jesus anyone?
our CREATOR says: "In the mouth of babes God has perfected praise"

I don’t believe that @marks is of that sort, and I love engaging in a deep, exegetical, and hermeneutical study of the Scriptures. "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16, NKJV).

We all need one another in the body of Christ because none of us has everything figured out. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part" (1 Corinthians 13:9, NKJV). That’s why "God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as He chose" (1 Corinthians 12:18, NKJV). We need each other for growth and correction.

If you think Mark is a mocker, you can put me in that class, brother, but I believe we are called to "speak the truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15, NKJV) and to build each other up in Christ.

Paul himself said, "For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2, NKJV), emphasizing the power of the gospel above all else.

Thanks and God bless.
J.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t believe that @marks is of that sort, and I love engaging in a deep, exegetical, and hermeneutical study of the Scriptures. "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16, NKJV).

We all need one another in the body of Christ because none of us has everything figured out. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part" (1 Corinthians 13:9, NKJV). That’s why "God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as He chose" (1 Corinthians 12:18, NKJV). We need each other for growth and correction.

If you think Mark is a mocker, you can put me in that class, brother, but I believe we are called to "speak the truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15, NKJV) and to build each other up in Christ.

Paul himself said, "For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2, NKJV), emphasizing the power of the gospel above all else.

Thanks and God bless.
J.

i Never think or see marks as a mocker = never!

Hard hearted(resisting) against scripture - YES

mocker - NO NO NO

You know this - Paul said that to new born babes in Christ and when we fail to harmonize together, we must Go Back to Basics
Milk for babes, MEAT for the mature

Gospel Basics:
CHRIST alone is our Salvation
CHRIST alone is our Redeemer
CHRIST alone is our Shepherd
HOLY SPIRIT is our GUIDE to all TRUTH
HOLY SPIRIT is our Comforter
HOLY SPIRIT does NOT have respect of persons NOR does HE promote such activity as is rampant today
FATHER is watching
FATHER is waiting
FATHER is Giving to those who ask for the Holy Spirit

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t believe that @marks is of that sort, and I love engaging in a deep, exegetical, and hermeneutical study of the Scriptures. "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16, NKJV).

We all need one another in the body of Christ because none of us has everything figured out. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part" (1 Corinthians 13:9, NKJV). That’s why "God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as He chose" (1 Corinthians 12:18, NKJV). We need each other for growth and correction.

If you think Mark is a mocker, you can put me in that class, brother, but I believe we are called to "speak the truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15, NKJV) and to build each other up in Christ.

Paul himself said, "For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2, NKJV), emphasizing the power of the gospel above all else.

Thanks and God bless.
J.

P.S. If marks hates me for posting accurate/precise scripture that shows he is way-off and needs to turn around - then he made his choice!

Notice that the scripture(not me) says mockers will hate the person with wisdom from God = in the mouth of babes!

the wise man LOVES the 'turn around'

In Hockey and Martial Arts you must be able to STOP on a dime and TURN AROUND Quickly or you're getting some hard knocks!

 

[Johann]

P.S. If marks hates me for posting accurate/precise scripture that shows he is way-off and needs to turn around - then he made his choice!

Notice that the scripture(not me) says mockers will hate the person with wisdom from God = in the mouth of babes!

the wise man LOVES the 'turn around'

In Hockey and Martial Arts you must be able to STOP on a dime and TURN AROUND Quickly

I believe we all are in need of correction, David-even you. "For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives" (Hebrews 12:6, NKJV). We all must be open to being corrected by God and by one another. "If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself" (Galatians 6:3, NKJV).

But I have to agree, the majority don't take kindly to correction. "He who hates correction is stupid" (Proverbs 12:1, NKJV), and "Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you" (Proverbs 9:8, NKJV), but "fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Proverbs 1:7, NKJV).

J.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe we all are in need of correction, David-even you. "For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives" (Hebrews 12:6, NKJV). We all must be open to being corrected by God and by one another. "If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself" (Galatians 6:3, NKJV).

But I have to agree, the majority don't take kindly to correction. "He who hates correction is stupid" (Proverbs 12:1, NKJV), and "Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you" (Proverbs 9:8, NKJV), but "fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Proverbs 1:7, NKJV).

J.

Thank You Brother - warmly RECEIVED
AND
knowing your heart of prayer for me is the effectual ministry of love of the Saints

 

[Johann]

Thank You Brother - warmly RECEIVED
AND
knowing your heart of prayer for me is the effectual ministry of love of the Saints

Yom mevorach b'Yeshua, achi.
J.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe we all are in need of correction, David-even you. "For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives" (Hebrews 12:6, NKJV). We all must be open to being corrected by God and by one another. "If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself" (Galatians 6:3, NKJV).

But I have to agree, the majority don't take kindly to correction. "He who hates correction is stupid" (Proverbs 12:1, NKJV), and "Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you" (Proverbs 9:8, NKJV), but "fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Proverbs 1:7, NKJV).

J.

Did i inform you that my dead tree removal was canceled today due to rain?

i was actually relieved because i worked yesterday and need some rest-n-recuperation.

If you remember, last year i had hip replacement surgery on my right hip.

Now my left hip is hurting pretty bad when i climb = need prayer for a new way of income

 

[David in NJ]

Yom mevorach b'Yeshua, achi.
J.

You keep talking like that i am going to cry(tears of joy/love)

 

[Johann]

Did i inform you that my dead tree removal was canceled today due to rain?

i was actually relieved because i worked yesterday and need some rest-n-recuperation.

If you remember, last year i had hip replacement surgery on my right hip.

Now my left hip is hurting pretty bad when i climb = need prayer for a new way of income

Take care of yourself, brother. I thank Jesus daily for the time He gives me and the time spent in His Word. Let’s keep our eyes fixed on Christ and pray continually that we owe nothing to anyone except to love one another. "Owe no one anything except to love one another" (Romans 13:8, NKJV).

Things are rough and tough where I am, but I trust in Him.

J.

 

[David in NJ]

Take care of yourself, brother. I thank Jesus daily for the time He gives me and the time spent in His Word. Let’s keep our eyes fixed on Christ and pray continually that we owe nothing to anyone except to love one another. "Owe no one anything except to love one another" (Romans 13:8, NKJV).

Things are rough and tough where I am, but I trust in Him.

J.

In response, i would like to share this video that captures the error of stubborness and the POWER of Love

 

[covenantee]

Do you know why 2 Thes 2.3 is listed in this Lexicon? It is the contributor's opinion. I hardly think a person's opinion (just like you have) is something to cite as proof of one's position.

Show us an equivalent Lexicon in which 2 Thes. 2, 3 reflects your opinion.

 

[KUWN]

Show us an equivalent Lexicon in which 2 Thes. 2, 3 reflects your opinion.

I'm not in the habit of researching others' opinions. The listing of 2 Thes 2.3 here is the contributor's personal opinion.

Do me a favor, I want to check something. Can you tell me the pre-trib position in your own words. I really am not sure how well you understand the pre-trib position.