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There is no scripture which would indicate that 1 Thess 4:14-17 is not fulfilled at the same time as 1 Cor 15:50-56. Paul made it clear that ALL of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Christ returns (1 Cor 15:22-23). You order of resurrections does not match his that he gave in 1 Cor 15:22-23. I will side with Paul over you every time.
The definitive order of fulfilment, is in Revelation 19 to 21. ONLY after the New heavens and earth come is there no more Death.
That scripturally correct order includes the Millennium reign of Jesus as King over the world for a thousand years. As yet not happened as described in many other Prophesies.
The AMill belief is discredited, dead and buried.
Jesus said they will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt 25:41) at that point.
Matthew 25:41 is after the thousand years is over. Rev 20:10 says that will happen after satan has had his 'little season'.
 

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So, you do agree that all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns just as all unbelievers were killed in the flood. How do you figure that any mortals will populate the earth after that for a thousand years then? No one will repent after Jesus comes. That's a lie from hell. It will be too late at that point. Now is the time of salvation! (2 Cor 6:2).
In Zechariah 14 is Jesus's Second Coming. After Jesus returns, (during the millennium) representatives of all the families of the earth will come to Jerusalem to worship Jesus during the feast of tabernacles. Some of the nations will be heathen nations, and should they not send representatives, their punishment for not coming they will receive no rain for a period.

So not all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns.


Zechariah 14:
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 
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The definitive order of fulfilment, is in Revelation 19 to 21. ONLY after the New heavens and earth come is there no more Death.
The new heavens and new earth are formed when Jesus comes and burns up and renews the current heavens and earth, resulting in the new heavens and new earth.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[b] That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

That scripturally correct order includes the Millennium reign of Jesus as King over the world for a thousand years. As yet not happened as described in many other Prophesies.
The AMill belief is discredited, dead and buried.
LOL. In you dreams. Your weak arguments discredit nothing.

Matthew 25:41 is after the thousand years is over. Rev 20:10 says that will happen after satan has had his 'little season'.
This illustrates just how biased you are and how much you make scripture say what you want it to say. The timing of Matthew 25:41 is in relation to Christ's second coming, as we can see here.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.....41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

I left out verses 35-40 just to save some space since they are not relevant to the point I'm making. This whole passage is talking about something that will occur when Jesus comes again, not something that will happen 1,000+ years later as you are falsely claiming. Notice that both the sheep (saved) and the goats (lost) are gathered before His throne at the same time. They are then judged. How can you place the timing of Matthew 25:41, which refers to the judgment of the goats (unsaved), 1,000+ years later when they are clearly gathered before the throne when Jesus comes? That makes no sense. What do you think, that they are gathered before His throne only to just wait there for 1,000+ years before they are judged? Nonsense! You are making the text say what you want it to say. The timing of Matthew 25:41 is clearly in direct relation to the timing of the return of Jesus! Not 1,000+ years later! This couldn't be more clear and you still deny it!
 
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They are the same people. Both verses describe the Day Jesus Returns. Proved by v16: the Lord Himself will descend from heaven......
What will happen to those faithful Christians, is not a rapture or a resurrection, but simply a gathering, to meet Jesus, then be transported to Jerusalem.
This truth destroys any ideas of a rapture to heaven, as the GT - the time of world satanic control, ends as Jesus Returns, Rev 19:17-21
keras, you still have not answered the question.

What kind of bodies do you think the Christians in 1Thessalonains4:15-18 will be resurrected in and caught up in, to ever be with the Lord - i.e. eternity ?

1Thessalonians4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 

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In Zechariah 14 is Jesus's Second Coming.
No, it isn't. It's impossible. Believing that requires you to contradict much other scripture. Of course, you don't care about that because you only care about making scripture say whatever you want it to say, but it's true.

After Jesus returns, (during the millennium) representatives of all the families of the earth will come to Jerusalem to worship Jesus during the feast of tabernacles. Some of the nations will be heathen nations, and should they not send representatives, their punishment for not coming they will receive no rain for a period.
Nonsense. How does that line up with these passages?

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus said that the time had come when God's worshipers "must worship him in spirit and in truth" rather than "neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem". Where did Jesus indicate that what He said would one day no longer be true?

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Jesus made His "once for all" sacrifice long ago which was "one sacrifice for sins for ever". This made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete. No more sacrifices would ever be needed. And, as this passage says, God does not desire animal sacrifices and takes no pleasure in them. So, with all of this in mind, why would animal sacrifices ever be reinstated, as would be the case if people were required to keep the feast of tabernacles in the future? That makes no sense. Why do you not take things like this into consideration when interpreting passages like Zechariah 14?
So not all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns.
Wrong. You are not accepting what Jesus Himself, Paul and Peter all taught. You want to change what they taught just because of your faulty interpretations of OT passages like Zechariah 14. Why don't you let them teach you the truth of the matter instead of changing what they taught?

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be
.

Jesus clearly taught here that just as the flood killed all unbelievers in Noah's day, "so shall also the coming of the Son of man be", which means all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns as well. And He even pointed out that heaven and earth will pass away at that point.

Peter made the same comparison.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Peter indicated that in the last days scoffers scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming. They think it can't ever happen. But, Peter makes it clear that they will find out otherwise because just as "the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" in Noah's day, "the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire". The context of this is in relation to the second coming of Christ, as was established in verses 3 and 4. So, the heavens and earth, which are now, are reserved unto fire when Jesus returns. His wrath will come down on people like those scoffers who mock the promise of Him coming again. Peter describes that fire in more detail in verses 10-12, but then in verse 13 assures us that despite the heavens and earth being burned up when Christ return we still "according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.".

Paul described that destruction by fire that will occur when Christ returns as "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). It's no wonder he said that when Peter described the destruction as being fire upon the entire earth. No one can escape that. So, yes, all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns as all these passages show. And this one shows that as well:

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Jesus said "he who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). So, tell me, who among those who are against Jesus will survive His return and why? Do not all unbelievers fall within the description of "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ"? Where did Paul indicate that any of "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" will survive the return of Christ?
 
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Can you show me this order of resurrections that you believe in here in this passage where Paul gave the order of resurrections?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrected and glorified among men. At the time Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection event, the dead in Christ will be resurrected into eternal, everlasting bodies, and them in Christ who are live at the time will be translated into eternal everlasting bodies and caught up in the air, joining with the changed resurrected dead in Christ to meet Jesus to forever be with the Lord.
 

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No, it isn't. It's impossible. Believing that requires you to contradict much other scripture. Of course, you don't care about that because you only care about making scripture say whatever you want it to say, but it's true.


Nonsense. How does that line up with these passages?

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus said that the time had come when God's worshipers "must worship him in spirit and in truth" rather than "neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem". Where did Jesus indicate that what He said would one day no longer be true?

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Jesus made His "once for all" sacrifice long ago which was "one sacrifice for sins for ever". This made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete. No more sacrifices would ever be needed. And, as this passage says, God does not desire animal sacrifices and takes no pleasure in them. So, with all of this in mind, why would animal sacrifices ever be reinstated, as would be the case if people were required to keep the feast of tabernacles in the future? That makes no sense. Why do you not take things like this into consideration when interpreting passages like Zechariah 14?

Wrong. You are not accepting what Jesus Himself, Paul and Peter all taught. You want to change what they taught just because of your faulty interpretations of OT passages like Zechariah 14. Why don't you let them teach you the truth of the matter instead of changing what they taught?

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be
.

Jesus clearly taught here that just as the flood killed all unbelievers in Noah's day, "so shall also the coming of the Son of man be", which means all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns as well. And He even pointed out that heaven and earth will pass away at that point.

Peter made the same comparison.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Peter indicated that in the last days scoffers scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming. They think it can't ever happen. But, Peter makes it clear that they will find out otherwise because just as "the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" in Noah's day, "the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire". The context of this is in relation to the second coming of Christ, as was established in verses 3 and 4. So, the heavens and earth, which are now, are reserved unto fire when Jesus returns. His wrath will come down on people like those scoffers who mock the promise of Him coming again. Peter describes that fire in more detail in verses 10-12, but then in verse 13 assures us that despite the heavens and earth being burned up when Christ return we still "according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.".

Paul described that destruction by fire that will occur when Christ returns as "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). It's no wonder he said that when Peter described the destruction as being fire upon the entire earth. No one can escape that. So, yes, all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns as all these passages show. And this one shows that as well:

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Jesus said "he who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). So, tell me, who among those who are against Jesus will survive His return and why? Do not all unbelievers fall within the description of "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ"? Where did Paul indicate that any of "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" will survive the return of Christ?
You did not address Zechariah 14:16-19. You sought to divert instead.
 

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Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrected and glorified among men. At the time Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection event, the dead in Christ will be resurrected into eternal, everlasting bodies, and them in Christ who are live at the time will be translated into eternal everlasting bodies and caught up in the air, joining with the changed resurrected dead in Christ to meet Jesus to forever be with the Lord.
Right. And that's it. Paul made no mention of any other resurrections there in 1 Cor 15:22-23 where he gave the order of resurrections. So, why do you add more resurrections to that when Paul himself did not do that? Do you not think that Paul knew what he was talking about?
 
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keras, you still have not answered the question.

What kind of bodies do you think the Christians in 1Thessalonains4:15-18 will be resurrected in and caught up in, to ever be with the Lord - i.e. eternity ?

1Thessalonians4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Who knows if he will ever respond to you, but based on what he has said to me before, he would say that passage refers to the first resurrection of Rev 20:4. But, he would say that it's only the resurrection of martyrs and that their mortal bodies are resurrected. So, he thinks they will have mortal bodies. Which is obviously ridiculous, but I'm pretty sure that's what he believes since he doesn't believe that 1 Cor 15:50-56 occurs until after the thousand years and the GWT judgment.
 

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You did not address Zechariah 14:16-19. You sought to divert instead.
LOL. This is all you have to say in response to everything I said? What a joke.

I did address that passage. That's what my reference to John 4:19-24 Hebrews 10:1-12 was in response to. You had said this:

Douggg said:
After Jesus returns, (during the millennium) representatives of all the families of the earth will come to Jerusalem to worship Jesus during the feast of tabernacles. Some of the nations will be heathen nations, and should they not send representatives, their punishment for not coming they will receive no rain for a period.
You referenced Zechariah 14:16-19 here and I addressed this by showing how your interpretation of that passage contradicts John 4:19-24 and Hebrews 10:1-12. So, please address what I said in my post instead of making false accusations. This seems to be your way of diverting attention away from the fact that you have no answer to what I said in my post.
 

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Right. And that's it. Paul made no mention of any other resurrections there in 1 Cor 15:22-23 where he gave the order of resurrections. So, why do you add more resurrections to that when Paul himself did not do that? Do you not think that Paul knew what he was talking about?
Paul did not say how many resurrection events there would be in 1Corinthinans 15:22-23.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The order is....

(1) the rapture/resurrection event (before the great tribulation) when Jesus comes in the air,

(2) as a martyred great tribulation saints (after the great tribulation is over) at Jesus's Second Coming,

then 1000 years

(3) at the GWT judgment,
 
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LOL. This is all you have to say in response to everything I said? What a joke.

I did address that passage. That's what my reference to John 4:19-24 Hebrews 10:1-12 was in response to. You had said this:


You referenced Zechariah 14:16-19 here and I addressed this by showing how your interpretation of that passage contradicts John 4:19-24 and Hebrews 10:1-12. So, please address what I said in my post instead of making false accusations. This seems to be your way of diverting attention away from the fact that you have no answer to what I said in my post.
No, you did not explain the timing of the verses of Zechariah 14:14-19, nor what they mean.

The mount of Olives, split in half in Zechariah 14:4 has not happened yet. So the verses of Zechariah 14:14-19 could not have happened yet.
 

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keras, you still have not answered the question.

What kind of bodies do you think the Christians in 1Thessalonains4:15-18 will be resurrected in and caught up in, to ever be with the Lord - i.e. eternity ?

1Thessalonians4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Who knows if he will ever respond to you, but based on what he has said to me before, he would say that passage refers to the first resurrection of Rev 20:4. But, he would say that it's only the resurrection of martyrs and that their mortal bodies are resurrected. So, he thinks they will have mortal bodies. Which is obviously ridiculous, but I'm pretty sure that's what he believes since he doesn't believe that 1 Cor 15:50-56 occurs until after the thousand years and the GWT judgment.
I am gratified that you SI, at least know the Biblically correct sequence of resurrections.
Douggg is set in concrete; still has the European Union ruling the world.

No one has yet caused me to reconsider how the GT martyrs will be raised in mortal bodies and the rest of the dead must wait until the thousand years is over, because that is what the Words of Revelation 20:4-5 indisputably say.
 

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No one has yet caused me to reconsider how the GT martyrs will be raised in mortal bodies
keras, raised in what kind of mortal bodies ? as a little baby? a youth ? a teenager ? a 20 year old ? 30's ? 40's ? 50's ? 60's ? etc.

Back to life at the same age they die at? With the same type of body ? With all the physical issues ? I don't think you have thought it through at all, what you are claiming. They is no scriptures that say Christians will be raised in mortal bodies.
 

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Douggg is set in concrete; still has the European Union ruling the world.
The EU, the end times manifestation of the Roman Empire, will be the kingdom of the beast-king.
 

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Back to life at the same age they die at? With the same type of body ? With all the physical issues ?
Yes: they will look the same as when they were killed. Recognizable individuals.
There will be no sickness or disabilities for everyone on the holy Land:

Isaiah 35:1-10 Let the wilderness be glad, the desert rejoice and flower. The Land will again show the glory of Lebanon, Carmel and Sharon, these will see the glory of the Lord.
Strengthen yourselves, say to those with fearful hearts- be strong. For your God comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution.
[Against your enemies]
Then the blind will see, the deaf hear, all disabilities cured. Water will flow in the desert, where jackals once roamed.

A highway will appear – called the way of Holiness. No unclean person will pass on it. Wicked fools cannot trespass on it. No dangerous beast will come there. But, by that way the Lords redeemed will return.

The Lords people, set free will come back and enter the Land with shouts of joy and triumph. Gladness and joy will come upon them
All suffering and sorrow will flee away.
 

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The EU, the end times manifestation of the Roman Empire, will be the kingdom of the beast-king.
Don't you realize that the idea of the EU being the 'beast' kingdom, was a 1970's theory?
That theory has been discarded by everyone except dinosaurs hopelessly doug into the mud of prophetic confizion.

The kingdom of the Anti-Christ will be worldwide, made up from 10 world regions.
Proved by Daniel 7:23-25 and Revelation 17:12-14, 13:3b
 

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Yes: they will look the same as when they were killed. Recognizable individuals.
There will be no sickness or disabilities for everyone on the holy Land:
Then how are those individuals, if brought back in their same mortal bodies, going to reign with Christ for one thousand years ?

keras, it does not say anywhere in the bible that Christians are going to be resurrected in mortal bodies.
 

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Then how are those individuals, if brought back in their same mortal bodies, going to reign with Christ for one thousand years ?

keras, it does not say anywhere in the bible that Christians are going to be resurrected in mortal bodies.
Can't you read, why do I have to point out plainly stated scripture?
Revelation 20:6 says they can and will die again. But because their names are Written in the Book of Life, their second death will not affect their eventual. [at the GWT Judgment] conferment of immortality.

These true Words of Rev 20:4-6 tell us a lot; -
1/ There will be a Millennium
2/ Those people killed for their faith during the final 42 months, will be raised back to life, as Lazarus was.
3/ Mortal people will be in it, procreating and dying
4/ They will be required to regularly travel to Jerusalem to worship the King,
5/ Nowhere is a rapture to heaven Prophesied. That idea is a Satanic lie.
 

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Revelation 20:6 says they can and will die again.
No, Revelation 20:6 does not say they will die again.

The second death is being cast into the lake of fire. They don't appear before the GWT judgment for that possibility. So the second death has no power over them.

The rest of the dead though will be resurrected after the thousand years are finished and appear before the GWT judgement.

And, in order to reign with Jesus for one thousand years they can't be resurrected in their former mortal bodies which have less than a century life expectancy.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [the first resurrection of the millennium will be that of the martyred great tribulation saints]
 
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