A few shall be left

[VictoryinJesus]

This is your understanding of 2 Peter 3:10-12? I assume so since this was your response after 2 Peter 3:10 was quoted to you.

Is that your understanding of the following passage, also?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

“But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.”
Be prepared??

“You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.(strange how those who eat of His flesh and drink off His blood unworthy are made drunken.) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. (Against the thief that comes to steal, kill and destroy?) For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation (from being overcome by the thief…deliver us from evil) by our Lord Jesus Christ, it is for His Mercy we are not consumed)

“For you had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that you have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.”

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Tell me what melts in ‘Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.’

That prophecy is shown here….

Isaiah 13:6-13

King James Version

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6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

“But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.”
Be prepared??

“You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.(strange how those who eat of His flesh and drink off His blood unworthy are made drunken.) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. (Against the thief that comes to steal, kill and destroy?) For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation (from being overcome by the thief…deliver us from evil) by our Lord Jesus Christ, it is for His Mercy we are not consumed)

“For you had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that you have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.”

Not really sure what you're saying here, so can you be more specific? What is the "sudden destruction" that Paul said would occur unexpectedly as a thief on the night upon the arrival of the day of the Lord from which "they shall not escape"? The sudden destruction of what exactly from which they shall not escape?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I simply showed that people believed in Amil before him and then suddenly you don't want to talk about these ancient guys anymore.

I really don’t care who started that false doctrine. I will never be convinced of it because it is false. Only Gods elect will not be deceived by all these false doctrines. You can believe it if you want, but I never will.

You have been warned.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I really don’t care who started that false doctrine.

Oh, now you suddenly don't care who started Amil after lying and saying that Augustine started it. You're backtracking after I showed evidence that people believed it before Augustine did.

I will never be convinced of it because it is false.

It's true, but you clearly only believe what you want to believe when it comes to Revelation 20. You have decided that the best approach to interpreting that passage is to assume it's literal despite the fact that it's contained within the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture.

Only Gods elect will not be deceived by all these false doctrines. You can believe it if you want, but I never will.

Closed-mindedness never leads to the truth. You have shown that you still don't even understand Amil, so it's foolish to not even try to understand it and consider it.

You have been warned.

LOL! About what exactly? Your imagined authority is only in your own head. You have no authority over me and can warn me about nothing.

Now, I will warn you about something. It's a very bad idea to pit scripture against scripture and make it contradict itself the way you do. And, it's also a bad idea to be so inconsistent in your interpretations. You interpret one passage to supposedly say that few mortals will survive Christ's coming. Then you interpret another passage to say that 3 world kingdoms will survive His second coming. Then you interpret another passage to say that entire nations will survive His second coming. Obviously not all of those things can be true. But, you don't care. Being so reckless with scripture leads to false doctrine. You have been warned.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Not really sure what you're saying here, so can you be more specific? What is the "sudden destruction" that Paul said would occur unexpectedly as a thief on the night upon the arrival of the day of the Lord from which "they shall not escape"? The sudden destruction of what exactly from which they shall not escape?

Having their goods they trusted in spoiled.
He instructs to not sleep but stay awake, to not be drunk (I don’t think it mean’s literally) but to be sober and watch— and to put on the whole armor of God. ‘Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Having their goods they trusted in spoiled.
He instructs to not sleep but stay awake, to not be drunk (I don’t think it mean’s literally) but to be sober and watch— and to put on the whole armor of God. ‘Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

I see no explanation for the description of "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" here. Are you a full preterist? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ? How would you describe your beliefs? Is there any label that would help identify it?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I see no explanation for the description of "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" here. Are you a full preterist? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ? How would you describe your beliefs? Is there any label that would help identify it?

“Sudden destruction” …Saul knew what sudden destruction was when those things He had trusted in were spoiled. Don’t underestimate how destroying it is to have your false image or false doctrines or false opinions destroyed. People go to therapy for this stuff. How it will nearly kill a person to let go of their lies or deceit or false facade to cover up their truth within. Just look at the Pharisees spitting on Him when He came to take away their prestige and their taking the high seats for themselves. What is the saying about wounded pride… like an animal wailing in pain that kind of destruction produces when pride is stolen.

thievery of all our idols and things we have put our trust in…don’t underestimate the destruction of the goods man trust in. To me that is what He means to put His trust in Him. To welcoming the spoiling of the thief coming to steal, kill and destroy. he can only take away and overcome those things not of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

“Sudden destruction” …Saul knew what sudden destruction was when those things He had trusted in were spoiled. Don’t underestimate how destroying it is to have your false image or false doctrines or false opinions destroyed. People go to therapy for this stuff. How it will nearly kill a person to let go of their lies or deceit or false facade to cover up their truth within. Just look at the Pharisees spitting on Him when He came to take away their prestige and their taking the high seats for themselves. What is the saying about wounded pride… like an animal wailing in pain that kind of destruction produces when pride is stolen.

thievery of all our idols and things we have put our trust in…don’t underestimate the destruction of the goods man trust in. To me that is what He means to put His trust in Him. To welcoming the spoiling of the thief coming to steal, kill and destroy. he can only take away and overcome those things not of God.

I completely disagree with your interpretation of the passage. I think he was clearly speaking of physical destruction, as was Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Are you a full preterist? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ? How would you describe your beliefs? Is there any label that would help identify it?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Oh, now you suddenly don't care who started Amil after lying and saying that Augustine started it.

I didn’t care before because I knew it was false doctrine when you Amils first explained it. I was just curious as to who started this false doctrine so I searched it online. And several sources says it was that Augustine of Hippo. If you think anyone is lying about that take it up with internet sources who posted it.

I really don’t care about who you think started it because I know it is not of the Truth. No lie is of the Truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I didn’t care before because I knew it was false doctrine when you Amils first explained it. I was just curious as to who started this false doctrine so I searched it online. And several sources says it was that Augustine of Hippo. If you think anyone is lying about that take it up with internet sources who posted it.

I don't need to do that because I know they're wrong. Justin Martyr, in one of his writings in the 2nd century, indicated that there were many true Christians who did not agree with his premil belief. These beliefs have been around from the beginning and disagreements like we still have today have been around since the beginning. You are too naive to understand that. And what Justin Martyr wrote predated Augustine. So, that claim that it started with Augustine is false. Period. Those people are liars. There are a lot of liars on the Internet, including you.

I really don’t care about who you think started it because I know it is not of the Truth. No lie is of the Truth.

Well, you cared about it not that long ago when you insisted that Augustine started it. Now you're backtracking. Maybe you should not be so quick to believe what you read on the Internet. You have a lot to learn.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Justin Martyr, in one of his writings in the 2nd century, indicated

I DON’T CARE if it was the Pope, it is False doctrine. Go peddle your lies somewhere else because I am not buying the lies you reprobates are trying to sell. Good Bye!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I DON’T CARE if it was the Pope, it is False doctrine. Go peddle your lies somewhere else because I am not buying the lies you reprobates are trying to sell. Good Bye!

LOL. It's not a Catholic doctrine. You fell for that lie.

But, here's your childish, judgmental true colors coming out for all to see. Calling people reprobates just because we disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20. As if our salvation depends on how we interpret that passage. You are so ignorant. Incredible. I hope you grow up some day and learn that it's sinful to condemn others just for having the gall to disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20. You are creating your own doctrine of salvation that isn't taught anywhere in scripture. Goodbye, buddy!

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

LOL. It's not a Catholic doctrine.

It’s FALSE doctrine, so I DON’T CARE!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s FALSE doctrine, so I DON’T CARE!

LOL! You used to care just recently. How sad that you suddenly don't care about that anymore.

You forgot to say goodbye again. You said goodbye in your previous post and now you've talked to me again, so you need to say goodbye to me again.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I completely disagree with your interpretation of the passage. I think he was clearly speaking of physical destruction, as was Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Are you a full preterist? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ? How would you describe your beliefs? Is there any label that would help identify it?

I was raised Baptist. Full blown belief from youth up in the rapture and hell-fire and brimstone teachings. I also wanted God to love me but saw him as a tyrant, a judge and never pleased with me. I despised being called the weaker vessel mostly because it was all too often used in a superior context as if God was a male chauvinist and thought less of those who are weak.

Now I don’t know what I am.

You said “the sudden destruction” has to be literal destruction yet ““But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.(.He speaks of building up and careful what you build upon the foundation of Christ) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The Chaff and stubble…make that literal

Even “a thief in the night” make “night” literal. Or “thief” for that matter. Or “the New heavens and new earth, wherein dwells righteousness”. If any man be in Christ he is a New Creature. All the text surrounding it we pick and choose what parts are Spiritual and what is not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I was raised Baptist. Full blown belief from youth up in the rapture and hell-fire and brimstone teachings. I also wanted God to love me but saw him as a tyrant, a judge and never pleased with me. I despised being called the weaker vessel mostly because it was all too often used in a superior context as if God was a male chauvinist and thought less of those who are weak.

Now I don’t know what I am.

You said “the sudden destruction” has to be literal destruction yet ““But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.(.He speaks of building up and careful what you build upon the foundation of Christ) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The Chaff and stubble…make that literal

Even “a thief in the night” make “night” literal. Or “thief” for that matter. Or “the New heavens and new earth, wherein dwells righteousness”. If any man be in Christ he is a New Creature. All the text surrounding it we pick and choose what parts are Spiritual and what is not.

Sorry, but I can't understand anything you're saying. Can you please answer the question I asked? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ?

Followup question. Where do you think Christians will spend eternity?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Sorry, but I can't understand anything you're saying. Can you please answer the question I asked? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ?

Followup question. Where do you think Christians will spend eternity?

Yes I believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ. But what that looks like I’m still open to, because He says we are His body. So I do have hope that with His appearance, His body will include the revealing of the Sons of God. I believe in His return bodily. But I also believe He has come in the flesh, and the second time He comes it is unto salvation of His body, to redeem His body.

Where do I think Christians will spend eternity? I have a Hope in something better than what now is. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be able to get out of bed every day. But at the same time I’m skeptical of all the (our)contradictions on what that will be. I believe we won’t be disappointed and it will be better than we could ever hope for. I also am waiting for what’s ahead. But (I say that “but” a lot) I don’t consider Him a thief.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You forgot to say goodbye again. You said goodbye in your previous post and now you've talked to me again, so you need to say goodbye to me again.

That is because you keep coming back trying to peddle that false doctrine, which I don’t care for. Maybe I should just say go away instead.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is because you keep coming back trying to peddle that false doctrine, which I don’t care for. Maybe I should just say go away instead.

I'm not going anywhere. Amillennialism is the truth and is overwhelmingly supported by scripture which explicitly teaches that Christ has been reigning since His resurrection (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6), that His followers have been a royal priesthood since then (1 Peter 2:9, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 5:9-10), that all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:17-18), that all of the dead, saved and lost will be resurrected at generally the same time (John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15), and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46). You deny the truth of all those scriptures I listed there and more.