There is only one true church

[Brakelite]

I have already shown you where Paul explains this in his Epistle to the Colossians:

Col. M2:16-17
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

We see the same language used in Hebrews when speaking of “shadows” - the things that were fulfilled in Christ.

Heb, 10:1
For the law, having but a shadow (Gr.—skian) of the good things to come, and not the exact image (Gr.—eikona) of the objects, is never able by the sacrifices which they offer continually, year after year the same, to perfect those who draw near.

The shadow presupposes a fulfillment.
The fulfillment supersedes the shadow.

Everything you said about shadows I agree with. And I also agree that there are Sabbath days that are shadows, the thing is though that Paul qualifies those things on verse 16 by the word shadows. He is talking about the sabbaths that are shadows, along with meats and drinks and holy days and new moons, and there are other things that could be added such as the ritual sacrifices etc, all of which pointed forward to the ministry of Jesus. All of them were intimately associated with the yearly process of atonement for the Israelite nation. What you f fail to establish is whether the weekly Sabbath is a part of that. I could cure numerous quotes from your own church theologians and writers , including the Archbishop of Reggio who is quoted above, who disagree with you. The weekly Sabbath is not a shadow. It was never established as a part of the process of atonement fulfilled by Jesus. It was eatables established at creation, before sin entered this world, before man needed atonement.

And you are once again arguing from the man-made Protestant invention of Sola Scriptura, which is a Scripturally-untenable position.

This is what I LOVE about anti-Catholics – it’s your hypocrisy.
You drone on and condemn those “Catholic Traditions” - while clinging to the CATHOLIC Canon of Scripture.

Sunday observance, thew fulfillment of the Sabbath, is BOTH am Oran - AND a written Tradition (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2).

Sunday observance came about for many reasons. Not one of them was because Jesus or any of the apostles taught it. Nor practised it. It took the church in Rome 400 years to the council of Laodicea to create a law concerning it, and at that time Rome and Alexandria were the only 2 cities observing it. Everywhere else Christians were still observing the seventh day. Your doctrine is based on tradition yes. But tradition alone. And that tradition completely nullifies a sprightly commandment of God. Which is why all the world should be astonished at the arrogance of a church that "thinks to change times and laws", which pertain to God's holy law.
"To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. " Isaiah 8:20

 

[Augustin56]

A catholic church would be a church that has voluntarily submitted to papal authority yes? You would be hard pressed to prove that the Celtic church, even beyond the time Augustine visited Britain, was at any time submitted to papal authority. That came later. Much later. And it wasn't voluntary. Arranged marriages, war and bloodshed, forced takeover of property, and threats were the Catholic methods of discipling the Celtic people and converting them to, well... Catholicism. Not Christianity. They were already that. Read d'Aubigne's History of the Reformation for more insight. Even beyond the 10th century, b the Celtic church in Wales was resisting the imposition of papal authority and doctrine. For example, the Celtic church for over 1000 years continued to honour the Bible sabbath, despite protestations from papal emissaries and monks and the pressures from Anglo Saxon pagan armies.

Papal authority was established by Jesus Christ. Nothing you've said with regard to the Celtic people, etc., had anything to do with Catholic doctrine. Not one thing. Christ identifies as one with His Church. Attack His Church and you attack Christ.

Your main problem, as I see it, is that you either don't understand what authority is, or you rebel against it. Authority is always given, not taken.

 

[PinSeeker]

Sunday observance came about for many reasons. Not one of them was because Jesus or any of the apostles taught it. Nor practised it.

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day..." (Revelation 1:10)

For those who think that the Sabbath is completely ended with the coming of Jesus and that “all days are alike” in the new covenant (Romans 14:5), they misuse a statement of Paul. The fact that John says there is a “Lord’s day” in the new covenant shows there is a day set apart in a unique way for the Lord.

Paul writes in Colossians 2 about the Sabbath being past and shows that the old Sabbath ~ the “Sabbaths” literally in Greek (Colossians 2:16) ~ are passed away. The Apostolic practice was to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day. The pattern that emerges in the New Testament is that Christians rest and worship on the first day of the week (again, Sunday).

When God created the world He gave all mankind ~ not just His people, but all mankind before the fall ~ the Sabbath day to establish a pattern of work and then rest... so, the six days of work, and then the Sabbath on the seventh (Saturday). But with the coming of Christ that pattern changes, because Christ has brought that ultimate rest to us. So we begin with rest, and then we work out of that rest... so, the Sabbath on the first day of the week (Sunday), and then the six days of work (the second day of the week through the seventh, or Monday through Saturday). The resurrection of Christ is absolutely central in the life and experience of the church.

Grace and peace to you, Brakelite.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Surely you agree with me that 2 Tim. 3:16-17's reference to "Scripture" was a reference to ONLY the OT.

Ummmmm, YOU referenced the OT (1, 2 Sam. Chron.) on your post about how NOT every word of Scripture is breathed out by God.

Care to edit that claim?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I TOTALLY accept oral tradition! How many times do I need to say it? The ONLY thing you and I disagree on here is whether 2 Thess. 2:15 is or is not evidence of that fact. It's NOT!!!! READ THE VERSE, WOULD YOU PLEASE?

NO – you don’t.

You CLAIM to accept it – yet you repeatedly question and reject it. Your consistent protest has been, “We don’t know what Paul said verbally because we weren’t there!”

Sacred Oral Tradition is the Word of God transmitted through the Church. And YOU treat it as nothing more than an unsubstantiated “rumor” . . .

 

[RedFan]

Ummmmm, YOU referenced the OT (1, 2 Sam. Chron.) on your post about how NOT every word of Scripture is breathed out by God.

Care to edit that claim?

No, I don't care to edit my claims. And I don't care to bother explaining a third time how you have misunderstood my claims.

 

[RedFan]

NO – you don’t.

You CLAIM to accept it – yet you repeatedly question and reject it. Your consistent protest has been, “We don’t know what Paul said verbally because we weren’t there!”

OK, smarty pants, enlighten us all. What did Paul verbally tell the Thessalonians?

Sacred Oral Tradition is the Word of God transmitted through the Church.

I agree. (For the fourth time!)

And YOU treat it as nothing more than an unsubstantiated “rumor” . . .

What tradition of the church do you think I consider a rumor?

 

[BreadOfLife]

OK, smarty pants, enlighten us all. What did Paul verbally tell the Thessalonians?

Paul is talking about Sacred Oral Tradition. He said the same thing to the Corinthians:

1 Cor. 11:2
“I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you”

Whatever he taught them with regard to faith and morals that he didn’t wrote down is.

Regarding Tradition, he wrote to Timothy:
2 Tim. 2:2
“What you have HEARD from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also”

A good example of this Tradition is Infant Baptism, which the apostolic Fathers and beyond ascribe as having been handed down by the Apostles.

I agree. (For the fourth time!)

The STOP arguing that can’t be sure what it is.

What tradition of the church do you think I consider a rumor?

When YOU say, “Well, we weren’t there, so we can’t be sure” – THAT’S treating it like a rumor.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Everything you said about shadows I agree with. And I also agree that there are Sabbath days that are shadows, the thing is though that Paul qualifies those things on verse 16 by the word shadows. He is talking about the sabbaths that are shadows, along with meats and drinks and holy days and new moons, and there are other things that could be added such as the ritual sacrifices etc, all of which pointed forward to the ministry of Jesus. All of them were intimately associated with the yearly process of atonement for the Israelite nation. What you f fail to establish is whether the weekly Sabbath is a part of that. I could cure numerous quotes from your own church theologians and writers , including the Archbishop of Reggio who is quoted above, who disagree with you. The weekly Sabbath is not a shadow. It was never established as a part of the process of atonement fulfilled by Jesus. It was eatables established at creation, before sin entered this world, before man needed atonement.

Sunday observance came about for many reasons. Not one of them was because Jesus or any of the apostles taught it. Nor practised it. It took the church in Rome 400 years to the council of Laodicea to create a law concerning it, and at that time Rome and Alexandria were the only 2 cities observing it. Everywhere else Christians were still observing the seventh day. Your doctrine is based on tradition yes. But tradition alone. And that tradition completely nullifies a sprightly commandment of God. Which is why all the world should be astonished at the arrogance of a church that "thinks to change times and laws", which pertain to God's holy law.
"To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. " Isaiah 8:20

WRONG.
It is based on Scripture (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2) and Tradition.

As I have shown you ad nauseam – Pail tells us that we are no longer bound by the letter of the Law, as it was fulfilled in Christ.

Col. 2:16-17
Therefore do not let ANYONE judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a SHADOW of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in CHRIST.

"Anyone" includes YOU, . . .

 

[RedFan]

Paul is talking about Sacred Oral Tradition. He said the same thing to the Corinthians:

1 Cor. 11:2
“I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you”

Whatever he taught them with regard to faith and morals that he didn’t wrote down is.

Regarding Tradition, he wrote to Timothy:
2 Tim. 2:2
“What you have HEARD from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also”

A good example of this Tradition is Infant Baptism, which the apostolic Fathers and beyond ascribe as having been handed down by the Apostles.

The STOP arguing that can’t be sure what it is.

When YOU say, “Well, we weren’t there, so we can’t be sure” – THAT’S treating it like a rumor.

I am totally in agreement with infant baptism as a sacred tradition handed down from the early Church. But we haven't a clue as to whether Paul mentioned it or instituted it, it Thessalonika. Ditto for any other tradition you care to name.

We cannot know what Paul said -- or whether a single word he uttered -- to the Thessalonians has been handed down as part of the Church's sacred tradition. That's my point. Nothing more. It's not even a rumor. It's an unknown. Period. Why can't you accept that?

 

[Brakelite]

I have shown you ad nauseam – Pail tells us that we are no longer bound by the letter of the Law, as it was fulfilled in Christ.

Since when did English grammar direct that to fulfil something it must mean it's cancelled. The letter of the law is cancelled? So adultery is no longer sinful, because Jesus "fulfilled" the 7th commandment? Please explain in practical terms how that works.
You might like to start with Matthew 5:17-19.

Your vain tradition of exalting Sunday is contrary to God's explicit commandment. We both know what Jesus had to say about such traditions.

 

[Brakelite]

WRONG.
It is based on Scripture (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2) and Tradition.

“7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. ”
Acts 20:7-8 KJV

The Hebrews counted their days from sunset. This meeting was on Saturday night because it was dark. They had just finished a final farewell meal with Paul as he was departing in the morning. They no doubt had been honouring the true Sabbath previously that day as was the custom of Paul, Jesus, and the early church. Paul was travelling Sunday morning, the meeting you refer to had nothing to do with Sunday sacredness.

As for this...
“Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. ”
1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV
I cannot believe your audacity in thinking you can throw a scripture in the face of God, with the intention of using it to justify something that is no where suggested or even hinted at, and can only be construed by giving it an understanding totally contrary to the original meaning. You are arguing here not with me, but with the Creator of the 4th commandment, who established the Sabbath as a memorial of creation. And you dare use the above to justify it? Even your own church disagrees with you.



The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”
Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”
One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day..." (Revelation 1:10)

For those who think that the Sabbath is completely ended with the coming of Jesus and that “all days are alike” in the new covenant (Romans 14:5), they misuse a statement of Paul. The fact that John says there is a “Lord’s day” in the new covenant shows there is a day set apart in a unique way for the Lord.

Paul writes in Colossians 2 about the Sabbath being past and shows that the old Sabbath ~ the “Sabbaths” literally in Greek (Colossians 2:16) ~ are passed away. The Apostolic practice was to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day. The pattern that emerges in the New Testament is that Christians rest and worship on the first day of the week (again, Sunday).

When God created the world He gave all mankind ~ not just His people, but all mankind before the fall ~ the Sabbath day to establish a pattern of work and then rest... so, the six days of work, and then the Sabbath on the seventh (Saturday). But with the coming of Christ that pattern changes, because Christ has brought that ultimate rest to us. So we begin with rest, and then we work out of that rest... so, the Sabbath on the first day of the week (Sunday), and then the six days of work (the second day of the week through the seventh, or Monday through Saturday). The resurrection of Christ is absolutely central in the life and experience of the church.

Grace and peace to you, Brakelite.

One thing Sunday keepers all have in common. None of them can produce a "thus sayeth the Lord" in support of a change in the day, but plenty of "thus sayeth man", which lets be honest here, holds no authority to change God's commandments.

 

[PinSeeker]

One thing Sunday keepers all have in common. None of them can produce a "thus sayeth the Lord" in support of a change in the day, but plenty of "thus sayeth man", which lets be honest here, holds no authority to change God's commandments.

Hmm, well, Paul and John and Luke and the writer of Hebrews were all just men, for sure, but... <smile>

I mean, you did state that the apostles and the early church worshiped on the seventh day, and it doesn't take much of a dive at all ~ as I showed ~ much less a deep one, to see that without a doubt, they actually worshiped on the first day of the new week, the Lord's Day, Sunday. So, then you have to at least ask yourself, "Okay, why was that...?" <smile>

Hey, if you are a Seventh Day person, then, more power to you; I have no problem with that... as long as you worship in spirit and truth (John 4:24). <smile>

This is just not a hill to die on. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

“7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. ”
Acts 20:7-8 KJV

The Hebrews counted their days from sunset. This meeting was on Saturday night because it was dark. They had just finished a final farewell meal with Paul as he was departing in the morning. They no doubt had been honouring the true Sabbath previously that day as was the custom of Paul, Jesus, and the early church. Paul was travelling Sunday morning, the meeting you refer to had nothing to do with Sunday sacredness.

The Sabbath was OVER at sunset on Saturday, so the FIRST day of the week, Sunday had begun.
Nice try . . .

As for this...
“Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. ”
1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV
I cannot believe your audacity in thinking you can throw a scripture in the face of God, with the intention of using it to justify something that is no where suggested or even hinted at, and can only be construed by giving it an understanding totally contrary to the original meaning. You are arguing here not with me, but with the Creator of the 4th commandment, who established the Sabbath as a memorial of creation. And you dare use the above to justify it? Even your own church disagrees with you.

The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”
Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”
One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

WRONG.

My Church doesn’t disagree with me. You posted the opinion of a single person – not the consensus of the Magisterium. Besides – the above opinion is an indictment of Protestantism – not the Catholic Church.

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day..." (Revelation 1:10)

For those who think that the Sabbath is completely ended with the coming of Jesus and that “all days are alike” in the new covenant (Romans 14:5), they misuse a statement of Paul. The fact that John says there is a “Lord’s day” in the new covenant shows there is a day set apart in a unique way for the Lord.

Paul writes in Colossians 2 about the Sabbath being past and shows that the old Sabbath ~ the “Sabbaths” literally in Greek (Colossians 2:16) ~ are passed away. The Apostolic practice was to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day. The pattern that emerges in the New Testament is that Christians rest and worship on the first day of the week (again, Sunday).

When God created the world He gave all mankind ~ not just His people, but all mankind before the fall ~ the Sabbath day to establish a pattern of work and then rest... so, the six days of work, and then the Sabbath on the seventh (Saturday). But with the coming of Christ that pattern changes, because Christ has brought that ultimate rest to us. So we begin with rest, and then we work out of that rest... so, the Sabbath on the first day of the week (Sunday), and then the six days of work (the second day of the week through the seventh, or Monday through Saturday). The resurrection of Christ is absolutely central in the life and experience of the church.

In the first century Church document, the Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles) – we see the use of the language “The Lord’s Day” being referred to as the day of Christian worship.

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day​

But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.

One thing Sunday keepers all have in common. None of them can produce a "thus sayeth the Lord" in support of a change in the day, but plenty of "thus sayeth man", which lets be honest here, holds no authority to change God's commandments.

Jesus gave His Church supreme earthly Authority – that WHATEVER His Church bound or looses on earth would be bound and loosed in Heaven. That WHOEVER listens to or rejects His Church listened to or rejects HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

I’d say that’s a pretty loud and clear, “Thus sayeth the Lord” . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Since when did English grammar direct that to fulfil something it must mean it's cancelled. The letter of the law is cancelled? So adultery is no longer sinful, because Jesus "fulfilled" the 7th commandment? Please explain in practical terms how that works.
You might like to start with Matthew 5:17-19.

Your vain tradition of exalting Sunday is contrary to God's explicit commandment. We both know what Jesus had to say about such traditions.

WHO said anything about the Sabbath being “cancelled”??
Is circumcision cancelled?? NO – it’s just not done the same way.
Is Passover cancelled?? NO – it is fulfilled in the Eucharist.

We still observe the Sabbath – only we observe it on the Lord’s Day because it pointed to Him in the first place . . .

 

[Brakelite]

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day​

But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.

You don't have scripture to support your false idol, tradition doesn't verify any Apostolic roots of first day sacredness, so you have to resort to the above? You remind me of the centuries that passed whereby popes used the donation of Constantine to extend papal power.

The Sabbath was OVER at sunset on Saturday, so the FIRST day of the week, Sunday had begun.

Isn't that what I said?

My Church doesn’t disagree with me. You posted the opinion of a single person – not the consensus of the Magisterium. Besides – the above opinion is an indictment of Protestantism – not the Catholic Church.

You have a statement from the magisterium then confirming your interpretation of Colossians?

 

[Brakelite]

Besides – the above opinion is an indictment of Protestantism – not the Catholic Church.

Of course it's an indictment against Protestantism, and that's the whole point. Sometimes you are very slow BoL.
So. How is it an indictment against protestantism? As the Archbishop of Reggio said, and he was correct, (remember, this is the council of Trent) Protestants cannot claim any integrity with their exaltation of sola scriptura because they observed the first day of the week, Sunday, and in doing so revealed their continuing obedience to a tradition of the Catholic Church, a tradition not found any where in scripture.

 

[Brakelite]

@BreadOfLife
That is one of the prime differences between Catholicism and true Protestantism. Catholicism claims tradition as being equal to scripture*. Protestantism claim scripture alone as the basis for all faith and practise. Two different religions, two different faith paradigms, both having different doctrines as a result. Some are similar, because Catholicism has some doctrines that are based on Scripture, although tradition, such as sacramentalism, has affected their purity.
There is a loose basis for Sunday observance in scripture, the resurrection, but nowhere in scripture did any apostle nor the Lord suggest it be celebrated as a day that replaces the Sabbath. Nor was the resurrection spoken of as something to be celebrated as a day. The resurrection (and death) of Christ was celebrated in baptism. Hence why sprinkling doesn't cover the true meaning of baptism.
As for authority. Catholicism sees its authority as justifying the persecution of other religions, including Protestants. While they may not be so actively in such a pursuit as they did a few centuries ago, the teachings of the church doctors such as Aquinas and Augustine are still held in sacred awe, therefore church policy may change in accordance to the times, but as soon as the times are more appropriate and of benefit to Catholicism, then we can be assured that persecution will raise its ugly head again. In fact, prophecy affirms this to be the case.

* The claim by Rome is that tradition is the equal to scripture. Sunday sacredness however, that finds no basis in the Bible aside from a couple of loose connections, exists only by the word of catholic say so. The first official say-so being the council of Laodicea in the 5th century. Intruding that at that time the first real suggestion of persecution arose against Sabbath keeping by calling Christians who chose to keep all the commandments "Judaizers". Nothing new under the sun huh.
In effect then, the say-so of the Catholic Church, and hence tradition, has become greater than scripture.

 

[PinSeeker]

No response to this, so, again...

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day..." (Revelation 1:10)

For those who think that the Sabbath is completely ended with the coming of Jesus and that “all days are alike” in the new covenant (Romans 14:5), they misuse a statement of Paul. The fact that John says there is a “Lord’s day” in the new covenant shows there is a day set apart in a unique way for the Lord.

Paul writes in Colossians 2 about the Sabbath being past and shows that the old Sabbath ~ the “Sabbaths” literally in Greek (Colossians 2:16... "let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath") ~ are passed away, and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5). The Apostolic practice was to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day. The pattern that emerges in the New Testament is that Christians rest and worship on the first day of the week (again, Sunday).

When God created the world He gave all mankind ~ not just His people, but all mankind before the fall ~ the Sabbath day to establish a pattern of work and then rest... so, the six days of work, and then the Sabbath on the seventh (Saturday). But with the coming of Christ that pattern changes, because Christ has brought that ultimate rest to us. So we begin with rest, and then we work out of that rest... so, the Sabbath on the first day of the week (Sunday), and then the six days of work (the second day of the week through the seventh, or Monday through Saturday). The resurrection of Christ is absolutely central in the life and experience of the church.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Brakelite]

No response to this, so, again...

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day..." (Revelation 1:10)

For those who think that the Sabbath is completely ended with the coming of Jesus and that “all days are alike” in the new covenant (Romans 14:5), they misuse a statement of Paul. The fact that John says there is a “Lord’s day” in the new covenant shows there is a day set apart in a unique way for the Lord.

Paul writes in Colossians 2 about the Sabbath being past and shows that the old Sabbath ~ the “Sabbaths” literally in Greek (Colossians 2:16... "let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath") ~ are passed away, and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5). The Apostolic practice was to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day. The pattern that emerges in the New Testament is that Christians rest and worship on the first day of the week (again, Sunday).

When God created the world He gave all mankind ~ not just His people, but all mankind before the fall ~ the Sabbath day to establish a pattern of work and then rest... so, the six days of work, and then the Sabbath on the seventh (Saturday). But with the coming of Christ that pattern changes, because Christ has brought that ultimate rest to us. So we begin with rest, and then we work out of that rest... so, the Sabbath on the first day of the week (Sunday), and then the six days of work (the second day of the week through the seventh, or Monday through Saturday). The resurrection of Christ is absolutely central in the life and experience of the church.

Grace and peace to all.

Yes, all I can say is that you are confused. You would be better off if you rewrote that post, and removed everything that is speculation. In fact, that would be great if all of us did that.
The only information we have regarding the first day are a couple of incidental events, and the resurrection, none of which include a declaration of a change to the very laws of God. This topic of a change from Sabbath on the 7th day to Sunday sacredness, the first day, is purely a matter of authority. Whose authority are you surrendered to? God, or man. The commandments of God, or the tradition of man . The laws of God, or the doctrines of a fallen apostate institution?

We still observe the Sabbath – only we observe it on the Lord’s Day because it pointed to Him in the first place . . .

That has to be one of the most contradictory and insulting posts I've read. It's like you are saying to your wife, we celebrate our anniversary, but we do it on the 14th instead of the 26th because the 14th is more convenient.