A few shall be left

[Spiritual Israelite]

When does this present heaven and earth pass away?????

2 Peter 3:5-14​

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5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.”

If you will notice in the above the heavens and earth that are now is shall be dissolved when “the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night”

So when does the Lord come as a thief in the night? Before Rev. 20 and 21 or after?

What do you mean before Rev. 20 and 21 or after? Rev. 20 and 21 are not referring to the same thing, so that question makes no sense. It occurs when Rev 20:9 occurs which is before Rev 21. Did you not say that you believe Revelation 21 is referring to something that occurs after the thousand years? If so, why are you asking the question in relation to both Rev. 20 and 21? When exactly do you think the heavens and earth will be burned up and renewed in relation to the second coming of Christ? The day He returns or 1,000+ years later?

The day of the Lord comes BEFORE Rev. 20 and 21.

Wrong. How can that be the case? The day of the Lord involves the burning up and renewing of the heavens and the earth, resulting in "the new heavens and new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness" (2 Peter 3:10-13). When are the new heavens and new earth ushered in? AFTER the thousand years, according to John. Did you not say that you believe the events of Revelation 21 follow the events of Revelation 20? If so, what you're saying in this post doesn't make any sense and you seem to be contradicting what you've said previously.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3​

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2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Revelation 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

That is clearly referring to what will happen on the day Christ returns. Agree? Is that not when Peter indicates that the new heavens and new earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness" will be ushered in, according to 2 Peter 3:10-13? Sure seems so to me. And John indicates that happens AFTER the thousand years. So, how are you concluding that the new heavens and new earth are ushered in BEFORE the thousand years? You're not making any sense.

Also, I wanted you to address what it means for Peter to say that the new heavens and new earth will be where righteousness dwells. You say that wickedness will also dwell there for 1,000+ years, right? So, do you think it would be accurate if 2 Peter 3:13 said: "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness and wickedness"?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

What do you mean before Rev. 20 and 21 or after? Rev. 20 and 21 are not referring to the same thing,

The coming of the Lord happens right BEFORE the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the judgement given to the saints seen in Rev. 20.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

SO this means this current heaven and earth you see NOW will pass away BEFORE the thousand year reign of those resurrected saints on earth.

Pay attention to WHEN this present heaven and earth pass away….

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in (((the which the heavens shall pass away )))with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, (((the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.)))

So this present heaven and earth pass away BEFORE the thousand year reign of Christ seen in Rev. 20

 

[ewq1938]

There is no more death for God’s immortal saints During the thousand year reign.​

It says no death, not no death for some. Death does not exist in the NHNE.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It says no death, not no death for some. Death does not exist in the NHNE.

Revelation 21:1-8​

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21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The same way some animals will also survive….

Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Do you take the wolf and the lamb shall dwell together as literal proof animals speak for who makes it through? I remember when I was a child and I was given a children’s book with the picture of a wolf and a lamb laying down in peace together. That no longer means the same as I thought as a child from my picture book. So I am curious if you think what I saw as a child was the message?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Do you take the wolf and the lamb shall dwell together as literal proof animals speak for who makes it through? I remember when I was a child and I was given a children’s book with the picture of a wolf and a lamb laying down in peace together. That no longer means the same as I thought as a child from my picture book. So I am curious if you think what I saw as a child was the message?

I believe it signifies a time of rest and peace, but I also believe there will be both mortal animals and mortal humans left on earth after the judgement by fire in order to repopulate the earth during the millennium.

Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I believe it signifies a time of rest and peace, but I also believe there will be both mortal animals and mortal humans left on earth after the judgement by fire in order to repopulate the earth during the millennium.

Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

I guess that is also the angst between how one interprets eating of His flesh and Drinking of His blood.

The above reminds me of those who are alive and remain in the New Testament. I’m not sure how you pull the few men out as moral men—from men who are burned but a few animals and men remain and it’s those who repopulate during the 1000 year reign. Is repopulate..having babies during the thousands year reign? That’s assuming a literal 1000 years and also making how they burn as by fire, also a literal fire. Have I misunderstood what you are saying?

To me it’s bold to give a picture of the Lamb and wolf lying down together. That says something I think. Proverbs 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
He gives us definitions for a wolf?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

That’s assuming a literal 1000 years and also making how they burn as by fire, also a literal fire. Have I misunderstood what you are saying?

To me it’s bold to give a picture of the Lamb and wolf lying down together. That says something I think. Proverbs 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
He gives us definitions for a wolf?

This present earth is to be burned by fire before the thousand year reign of Christ on earth along with His immortal saints. But a few mortal men shall be left in order to repopulate the earth during that time.

That is how the number of the Nations grows to “as the sand of the sea in number” before Satan is loosed again to deceive those Nations.

Revelation 20:7-9

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7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This present earth is to be burned by fire before the thousand year reign of Christ on earth along with His immortal saints. But a few mortal men shall be left in order to repopulate the earth during that time.

That is how the number of the Nations grows to “as the sand of the sea in number” before Satan is loosed again to deceive those Nations.

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7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

Why can’t the Fire that devours and eats and consumes away mens flesh, be the trial of fire that comes ? It’s of the Lords mercy we are not consumed.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Why can’t the Fire that devours and eats and consumes away mens flesh, be the trial of fire that comes ? It’s of the Lords mercy we are not consumed.

The trial by fire is the trying of the saints faith. The coming destruction of the earth and the wicked is a literal burning by fervent heat.

2 Peter 3:7-13

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7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[quietthinker]

A few shall be left​

....compared to those on the right.

 

[quietthinker]

Why can’t the Fire that devours and eats and consumes away mens flesh, be the trial of fire that comes ? It’s of the Lords mercy we are not consumed.

God's fire is that of his love. Men feel threatened by it and interpret it as fire sent in vengeance but no, it is the fire of his love that consumes sin. Just look at Calvary; God's love displayed in a way no mind could imagine; a love which dies for its enemies.....a love that pleads with men to come and live in the reality of God's Kingdom where joy and long-suffering, peace and kindness, goodness and faithfulness, gentleness and self control are the M.O. (Galatians 5:22-23).......a love that has routed the kingdom of darkness and one in which our hope is centred by faith....till the dawning of that glorious day when what we have now by faith we shall have in the reality of the present.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 21:1-8​

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21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

What good are a bunch of out of context scriptures?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God's fire is that of his love. Men feel threatened by it and interpret it as fire sent in vengeance but no, it is the fire of his love that consumes sin. Just look at Calvary; God's love displayed in a way no mind could imagine; a love which dies for its enemies.....a love that pleads with men to come and live in the reality of God's Kingdom where joy and long-suffering, peace and kindness, goodness and faithfulness, gentleness and self control are the M.O. (Galatians 5:22-23).......a love that has routed the kingdom of darkness and one in which our hope is centred by faith....till the dawning of that glorious day when what we have now by faith we shall have in the reality of the present.

James 1:19-21 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: [20] For the wrath of man works not the righteousness of God. [21] Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

The above tells me mens wrath works not the righteousness of God. I agree with you about His Love. I’m confused over His wrath. I try to define His wrath and mens wrath as the same, when mens wrath works not the Righteousness of God. His Wrath working His Righteousness. by the word I do see He overcomes evil with good. People will say to mention God is Love—is to ignore God is also Vengeance and Wrath. I do agree with you (if I understood you correctly) that Gods Love avenges and overcomes sin and the proud, and overcomes all vanity.. For a better outcome…? When they are afraid to come to the Light for their deeds are wicked, and they don’t want those deeds to be made known….hating the Light and therefore not coming to Him. Crazy …their coming to the Light is for their benefit that the flesh may be destroyed and the spirit saved. They avoid their own benefit (Imo) calling the Light of God evil when really it’s remaining in the darkness that is harmful destruction to them. …just thinking out loud…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The trial by fire is the trying of the saints faith

So first the trial of your Faith is spiritual …not a literal Fire but a fiery trial (think it’s not strange when I comes upon you to try you) nonetheless. A fiery trial said to be “more precious than of gold that perishes…that through your Faith (hope, love, patience wait)in Christ being tried with fire, that your Faith (trust, hope, loving and trusting in the appearance of Christ)in Him your Hope might…makes not shame— being found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearance of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 1:7

The coming destruction of the earth and the wicked is a literal burning by fervent heat.

the second trial of the wicked is literal …isn’t that out of order with everything in the word where that which is flesh is first and then that which is Spirit afterwards?

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I read another of your threads on men’s hearts melting …Old Testament speaking of that which “melts” the hearts of men. In your thread concerning hearts will melt …what melts their hearts is no literal raging fire. Can a literal fire melt the elements with fervent heat…if those elements are Forest of wood then yes, a literal fire can consume a forrest. Yet and the earth also and the works thereof are burned up with fervent heat. Is the works thereof the houses men have built for themselves to live in, made of wood which become stubble? What works of evil men is burned up? What is “the weak and beggarly elements” burned with fire? a …cleansing fire?. What weak and beggarly elements should one not return to? No I don’t understand how you see it’s spiritual in men’s hearts “melt” but then make it literal in what Fire has the strength and power to fervently burn up the (weak and beggarly)elements with fervent heat and the works there of. Does literal fire and it’s fervent heat have the power and strength to destroy and consume up the weak and beggarly elements? is that even the focus or is the Fire that burns up the earth and the works there of —only focus like a doomsday literal fire to cleanses the hills and mountains of all that civilization has built where a “few men” and “a few animals” make it through the fire to repopulate during the thousand years? What works make it through the fire? Can you at least see any cause for questions on what is said to be burned up with fervent heat?


I love your insight. But I’m the opposite of those telling you that you went too far into over spiritualizing it. I’m the opposite. I’m grateful for your insight in so many passages…you’ve been blessed (Imo) with a understanding that is needful (again, I think). what I question is how far you have gone the other way concerning end times to make it literal.

2 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[amadeus]

Why can’t the Fire that devours and eats and consumes away mens flesh, be the trial of fire that comes ? It’s of the Lords mercy we are not consumed.

Even so:

De 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Heb 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Da 3:22

Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

Da 3:25

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

1co 3:11

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1co 3:12

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1co 3:13

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I love your insight. But I’m the opposite of those telling you that you went too far into over spiritualizing it. I’m the opposite. I’m grateful for your insight in so many passages…you’ve been blessed (Imo) with a understanding that is needful (again, I think). what I question is how far you have gone the other way concerning end times to make it literal.

I’m glad you love the insight, but the insight is not my own, but it as the Lord has taught me. I’m not trying to over or under spiritualize the words of God, but to rightly divide between that which is natural and that which is spiritual. This can only be done by the Holy Spirit, as the things of God no man knows but only the Spirit of God.

The Lord showed in the OT that He cleanses by both water and fire. This cleansing and purification can be done in both a natural way and also in a spiritual way. But in each case we need to discern if it is natural, or is it spiritual?

For instance, in the days of Noah God cleansed the world that then was by natural H20 waters and destroyed all flesh. But in the latter days a spiritual flood was to occur that comes out of the mouth of the Red Dragon. This spiritual flood would be just as destructive as it would also consume all those who are still of “the flesh.”

So in the one case we understand the flood waters to be natural, but in the other they are to be spiritually discerned. The natural man can only see the natural, but he cannot see the spiritual.

But not all things are to be understood as natural, neither are all things to be understood as spiritual. And even though some things are to be spiritually discerned, the effects of them will often be seen in the natural world, although not understood by the natural man.

So rightly dividing the natural from the spiritual is important to have a proper understanding into what the Spirit is saying in God’s words. And this can only be done by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I’m glad you love the insight, but the insight is not my own, but it as the Lord has taught me.

That is why I love your insight. I think of when He told the religious leaders they had never at any time heard His voice, and they had never heard the voice of the prophets. I know I can be wrong a lot! But to me if I have ever truly heard His Voice at any time…to me that is better than never having heard His Voice at all. I don’t doubt you’ve heard His Voice. In no way do I think you’ve learned the insight you share from the flesh, but were taught it of the Lord. Even if I disagree on some things(I can be wrong), I’m still conscious you have heard His Voice.

I’m not trying to over or under spiritualize the words of God, but to rightly divide between that which is natural and that which is spiritual. This can only be done by the Holy Spirit, as the things of God no man knows but only the Spirit of God.

Isaiah 58:7 Lexicon: "Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry And bring the homeless poor into the house; When you see the naked, to cover him; And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?

To rightly divide your bread—the word of truth with the hungry.
The above stood out to me a while back. It changed my view on what it is to rightly divide(deal out?) the word of truth. Maybe I’m wrong but to divide the word of truth …first what is divided (dealt out to the hungry and poor) has to be the truth. The above verse to me blows apart our imaginations of what is means to “rightly divide” so you need not be ashamed 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing(to deal out) the word of truth.

The Lord showed in the OT that He cleanses by both water and fire. This cleansing and purification can be done in both a natural way and also in a spiritual way. But in each case we need to discern if it is natural, or is it spiritual?

You said: The cleansing and purification can be both a natural way…
but bathing with natural water doesn’t clean that which is within. Natural water (H2O) only temporarily cleanses the dirt off man’s skin…where we get sayings like “cleanliness is next to godliness” in how much H2O we use having good hygiene. Yes…H20 cleanses as does soap…but like Fire, there is the natural and the spiritual John 13:8 Peter said unto him, You shall never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash you not, you have no part with me.

For instance, in the days of Noah God cleansed the world that then was by natural H20 waters and destroyed all flesh. But in the latter days a spiritual flood was to occur that comes out of the mouth of the Red Dragon. This spiritual flood would be just as destructive as it would also consume all those who are still of “the flesh.”

Yet the New Testament says that if you see your neighbor without and your bowels of compassion are not moved, having this worlds good…then the Love of God is not within you. Says I a lot about Noah’s Ark (I think) and why it only saved a few.

So in the one case we understand the flood waters to be natural, but in the other they are to be spiritually discerned. The natural man can only see the natural, but he cannot see the spiritual.

What I see in Noah’s Ark is Jesus Christ going underneath the water and rising up out of it. we also having been buried in the likeness of death, have been raised up into newness of Life. Yes literal fire can level, burn up, all in its path from the fervent heat. But I truly don’t think it can cleanse the world of sin. Especially if there are a few men and animals left. What you have is Noah’s Ark all over again.

But not all things are to be understood as natural, neither are all things to be understood as spiritual. And even though some things are to be spiritually discerned, the effects of them will often be seen in the natural world, although not understood by the natural man.

Agree.

So rightly dividing the natural from the spiritual is important to have a proper understanding into what the Spirit is saying in God’s words. And this can only be done by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Agree. I also read under your end times about His opening of your graves. I still don’t understand why it’s a plot at the cemetery unless you are cremated…instead of the Pharisees were graves of dead men that don’t appear, and men walk over their graves full of dead men bones not realizing it. Why can’t His opening of your graves be …His opening of the heart, the stone rolled away, bringing us out of the grave unto Life?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You said: The cleansing and purification can be both a natural way…
but bathing with natural water doesn’t clean that which is within. Natural water (H2O) only temporarily cleanses the dirt off man’s skin…where we get sayings like “cleanliness is next to godliness” in how much H2O we use having good hygiene. Yes…H20 cleanses as does soap…but like Fire, there is the natural and the spiritual John 13:8 Peter said unto him, You shall never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash you not, you have no part with me.

True, but the natural can be symbolic of the spiritual. Just as water baptism is done by the hands of men, but the Holy Spirit baptism is done by God. Only the Holy Spirit baptism is necessary to bring us into the body of Christ, but water baptism is necessary to fulfill all righteousness. So both the natural and the spiritual have a role to play unto salvation.

What I see in Noah’s Ark is Jesus Christ going underneath the water and rising up out of it. we also having been buried in the likeness of death, have been raised up into newness of Life. Yes literal fire can level, burn up, all in its path from the fervent heat. But I truly don’t think it can cleanse the world of sin. Especially if there are a few men and animals left. What you have is Noah’s Ark all over again.

Both the destruction by literal water and by literal fire also serves the will and purpose of God, and that is to destroy sinners from off the face of the earth.

Agree. I also read under your end times about His opening of your graves. I still don’t understand why it’s a plot at the cemetery unless you are cremated…instead of the Pharisees were graves of dead men that don’t appear, and men walk over their graves full of dead men bones not realizing it. Why can’t His opening of your graves be …His opening of the heart, the stone rolled away, bringing us out of the grave unto Life?

There again there is both a spiritual and there is a physical. When we are born again of the Holy Spirit we are made a new creature in Christ by the renewing of our heart/mind/spirit. We have passed from being spiritually dead to being made spiritually alive in Christ. But we are still in this corruptible physical body. And thus also a part of God’s plan is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and being given new incorruptible glorified bodies.

I personally look forward to putting off this corruptible body and putting on a new glorified body.

 

[WPM]

God’s mercy and grace.

Psalm 10:30 says, “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth."

What earth is the Psalmist talking about? An impending earth that only the righteous can inherit. The wicked are not qualified to inherit the new glorified earth and the perfect age to come. That is because one needs to be glorified to inherit a glorified environment.

Psalm 25:12-13 says: “What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.”

The glorified saints are said to inherit the earth. This is assuredly talking about a new glorified earth, not this current corrupt arrangement that they have just departed. Their inheritance is not another period of corruption, rebellion and despair. They have just escaped that. The promised earth in view is actually depicted as a reward for the faithful. It cannot therefore be shared with the wicked.

Psalm 37:9-11 says, “For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”

This is a truth that is repeated clearly and unambiguously throughout both Testaments.

Psalm 37:22 says, “For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.”

Psalm 37:28-36 continues, “For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever ... Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.”

Here, “evildoers” and “the wicked” are synonymous titles that refer to the unrighteous whereas the designations “those that wait upon the LORD,” “the meek” and “His saints” refer to the righteous.

Christ confirmed this in Matthew 5:5 saying, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”

The meek alone possess the new earth – those that have been redeemed by His precious blood. The meek are the glorified believers. They are the antithesis of the wicked. There are only ever 2 peoples. The meek alone possess the new earth - those that have been redeemed by His precious blood.