The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

[tailgator]

Nonsense. Much of biblical history is prophecy. The historical events become types of things to come.

By your logic, Nebuchadnezzar could not have caused all peoples, nations, tribes and tongues to fall down and worship his image or be thrown into a furnace because "that prophecy is talking about Revelation 13", the days of which have not come yet.

There are quite a few other examples of the logic you apply to the day of the LORD.

What you can not comprehend is the day of the Lord is the commencement of the millinium.
You don't even comprehend your own topic.

Zech 14 speaking of the day of the Lord said,
Zech 14

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.





You just can't seem to grasp the idea that all the prophets were speaking of the coming of the Lord and the events of that day.


4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.






The beginning of the millinium.


11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

 

[Zao is life]

Falsehood
I thought we were talking about the day of the Lord .Now you saying it was the day of the Lord when Nebuchadnezzar said for everyone to worship his image which is a shadow of the Israelites worshiping the image of the beast.

The Israelites who worship the image of the beast will be cast into a furnace by the word of God.
The Israelites who resist worshiping the image of the beast are not cast into the lake of fire.



The word of God says day of the Lord.
Singular


You say the word of God is wrong and that it should be days of the Lord.
Plural.

It's you who says the Word of God is wrong - because you say that the prophets should not have called other times God's judgment came upon Israel or Babylon "the Day of the LORD".

According to you God should have inspired the prophets to word it as "one of the days of the LORD" so as to make it clear to you because you struggle to understand scripture.

The only group of people who the Islamic enemies of Israel hate more than the saints, are the Jews and the nation of Israel. Once they are out of the way the saints will be next.​

The only harlot the Islamic states hate is apostate Israel.

Ever heard of the burning of churches, killing of men, raping of women and kidnapping of Christian girls in West Africa, East and Central Africa at the hand of Islamist armies?

Christians are more likely to be hated if they are faithful to the Lord despite persecution. They do not have to be a harlot to be hated.

"Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Ruler of the kings of the earth" -- Revelation 17:5

"Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife." -- Revelation 21:9.

"Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication" -- Revelation 17:1-2.

New Jerusalem is a city of gold, precious stones and pearls (Revelation 21:10-11 & 18-21).

The harlot is "..gilded with gold, precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her FORNICATION" (Revelation 17:4).

In the book of Revelation, only:-

(1) Jezebel of the church at Thyatira & her followers; as well as
(2) the kings of the earth; and
(3) Babylon the Great

are said to commit fornication.

Paul taught us that New Jerusalem is OUR MOTHER, and the Revelation teaches us that there is a city which has sovereignty over the kings of the earth which is located on many waters (which are peoples, nations, tribes and tongues) who is the MOTHER of harlots.

If that city is Jerusalem and is THE MOTHER of harlots then all Christian congregations who commit spiritual fornication are her daughters and her sisters.

But that Jerusalem is not the bride of Christ or part of the bride of Christ, and only a married woman is considered a harlot when she commits adultery, and in Ezekiel 16 God says she is THE DAUGHTER of her mother.

The kings of the earth who committed fornication with Babylon the Great wept and wailed over her demise (Revelation 18:9) when she was destroyed by the 10 kings of the beast who will "hate her, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Rev 17:16).

You are very selective about who has the propensity to commit spiritual fornication because you have limited this to a woman who is not the bride of Christ.

The hatred of Israel and Jews by other antichristian nations is not of God. You need to ask yourself why you have this blind prejudice that prevents you from acknowledging that the elect of God - Christians - are capable of being equally guilty of harlotry as those whose harlotry caused them to be cut off from a covenant relationship with God, and you should beware - because you are so blinded by your prejudice against Jews and Israel that you cannot even see that the chances are equally good that the harlot the Revelation is talking about may be the antithesis of New Jerusalem - an apostate church.​

 

[tailgator]

It's you who says the Word of God is wrong - because you say that the prophets should not have called other times God's judgment came upon Israel or Babylon "the Day of the LORD".

According to you God should have inspired the prophets to word it as "one of the days of the LORD" so as to make it clear to you because you struggle to understand scripture.

False,the day of the Lord which is singular is the commencement of the millennium

You don't even comprehend your own topic..
The prophets were writing about the Lord's coming.

 

[tailgator]

It's you who says the Word of God is wrong - because you say that the prophets should not have called other times God's judgment came upon Israel or Babylon "the Day of the LORD".

According to you God should have inspired the prophets to word it as "one of the days of the LORD" so as to make it clear to you because you struggle to understand scripture.

Everytime a war breaks out and a lot of people die,you say it's the day of the Lord .It's the wrath of God.

According to your logic the day of the Lord was during WW2 even though the Lord didn't come.

 

[Zao is life]

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. -- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the anger of God, having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath.

And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. -- Revelation 14:9-11

And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world. -- Revelation 13:8

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up here. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. -- Revelation 11:7 & 11-12.

Note:

1. The two witnesses will not be martyred by the beast that ascends from out of the abyss before it ascends from out of the abyss.

2. The martyred two witnesses cannot rise again from the dead before the return of Christ, because at the time of the return of Christ, the dead in Christ will rise first.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they were alive in their bodies [záō] and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is the first resurrection of the body [anástasis]. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years. -- Revelation 20:4-5

The Greek word anástasis always refers to the resurrection of the body in the New Testament, without exception.​

 

[Davidpt]

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they were alive in their bodies [záō] and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is the first resurrection of the body [anástasis]. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years. -- Revelation 20:4-5

The Greek word anástasis always refers to the resurrection of the body in the New Testament, without exception.[/JUSTIFY]

Some of these other views that like to throw monkey wrenches into something like that because of their doctrinal bias', has any of them ever proved you wrong here? Meaning, have any of them ever found a verse a two elswehere in the NT where anástasis is also used but that it was not referring to the resurrection of one's body, therefore, supports their interpretation of the first resurrection per Revelation 20?

 

[Davidpt]

Jesus makes it unmistakable that this generation meant the generation standing before him when he told the disciples they will not go to all the cities of Israel until the So of Man be come.

But then we have Jesus being all over the place if that is true.

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Verse 33 the context involves the end of this age and the 2nd coming. Likewise, the same is true of both verse 35 and 36 as well. Therefore, verse 34 couldn't possibly mean what you are taking it to mean since Jesus would not be all over the place like that, thus causing confusion rather than being clear about things. Where one minute He is meaning in the end of this age and the 2nd coming, then in the next breath He is meaning the first century and 70 AD, then in the next breath He is once again meaning in the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

We have to interpret this to where Jesus was being consistent throughout and not all over the place instead. Unless you can undeniably convincingly prove that verse 33, 35 and 36 also fit the first century and 70 AD, your argument is not valid in the meantime. Context helps determine what something is meaning. The context of verse 33, 35 and 36 is not the first century and 70 AD, it is the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

 

[IndianaRob]

But then we have Jesus being all over the place if that is true.

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Verse 33 the context involves the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

It was the end of that age. The second coming was the resurrection but for some reason people put the second coming way out in the future.

I don’t know of anything in Matthew 24 that could possibly be seen as future.

Likewise, the same is true of both verse 35 and 36 as well. Therefore, verse 34 couldn't possibly mean what you are taking it to mean since Jesus would not be all over the place like that, thus causing confusion rather than being clear about things. Where one minute He is meaning in the end of this age and the 2nd coming, then in the next breath He is meaning the first century and 70 AD, then in the next breath He is once again meaning in the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

This again is going back to the assumption that the resurrection wasn’t the second coming. Jesus accomplished every single thing prophesied in the Old Testament.

Why would anyone be looking for another coming of Jesus? What is another second coming supposed to accomplish?

We have to interpret this to where Jesus was being consistent throughout and not all over the place instead. Unless you can undeniably convincingly prove that verse 33, 35 and 36 also fit the first century and 70 AD, your argument is not valid in the meantime. Context helps determine what something is meaning. The context of verse 33, 35 and 36 is not the first century and 70 AD, it is the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

Why do you say verses 33, 35 and 36 is not the first century?

 

[Davidpt]

Why do you say verses 33, 35 and 36 is not the first century?

There are numerous reasons why. But one of the main reasons is related to how I interpret some of 2 Peter 3, such as the following.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Regardless what all this will look like when it is being fulfilled, where I personally don't take these things in a literal sense, they will be involving the day of the Lord, nonethless, thus the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

In Matthew 24 it says the following.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Verse 36 is obviously meaning verse 35 and this--Heaven and earth shall pass away. If we then compare that to some of the following in 2 Peter 3:10-12 it becomes apparent that verse 35 and 36 the time frame and events are the same in both accounts.

For example.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only---compare with---But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night

Heaven and earth shall pass away---compare with---the heavens shall pass away with a great noise--the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

But let me guess, though. You interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12 in the same manner as you do Matthew 24? Meaning nothing in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is looking beyond the first century and 70 AD. Keeping in mind, I'm just guessing not insisting that is how you might interpret it. I simply don't know at this point, not until you tell me first. But in the event it isn't how you might interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12, and that you too interpret it to be involving the DOTL and the 2nd coming in the end of this age, how then can you ignore that what is recorded in Matthew 24:35, 36, matches to a T some of what is recorded in 2 Peter 3:10-12?

 

[Davidpt]

I don’t know of anything in Matthew 24 that could possibly be seen as future.

IOW, let's just make those dreaded unbelieving Jews in the first century the sole objects of God's wrath and punishments. Instead of the following applying to professed servants of Christ in the future, let's just make these be meaning those dreaded unbelieving Jews in the past, in the first century.

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


As if it is even remotely reasonable that any unbelieving Jew could ever be a professed servant of the Lord to begin with, where the Lord in verse 50 is obviously meaning Christ.

 

[IndianaRob]

There are numerous reasons why. But one of the main reasons is related to how I interpret some of 2 Peter 3, such as the following.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Regardless what all this will look like when it is being fulfilled, where I personally don't take these things in a literal sense, they will be involving the day of the Lord, nonethless, thus the end of this age and the 2nd coming.

I think when it comes to 2 Peter 3:10 we have to look at everything related to the day of Lord. In Acts 2 Peter says that everything from verse 16 to verse 21 was fulfilled at Pentecost. Isn't reasonable to assume the day of the Lord happened in AD70?

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

In Matthew 24 it says the following.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Verse 36 is obviously meaning verse 35 and this--Heaven and earth shall pass away. If we then compare that to some of the following in 2 Peter 3:10-12 it becomes apparent that verse 35 and 36 the time frame and events are the same in both accounts.

For example.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only---compare with---But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night

Heaven and earth shall pass away---compare with---the heavens shall pass away with a great noise--the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

But let me guess, though. You interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12 in the same manner as you do Matthew 24? Meaning nothing in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is looking beyond the first century and 70 AD. Keeping in mind, I'm just guessing not insisting that is how you might interpret it. I simply don't know at this point, not until you tell me first. But in the event it isn't how you might interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12, and that you too interpret it to be involving the DOTL and the 2nd coming in the end of this age, how then can you ignore that what is recorded in Matthew 24:35, 36, matches to a T some of what is recorded in 2 Peter 3:10-12?

I try not to interpret anything David, I try to just let the bible say what it says.

We need to do a study on Joel 2. In Acts 2 Peter said "I will pour out of my Spirit..." was fulfilled at Pentecost which means that all of the below happened BEFORE Pentecost yet there's no mention of any of that in any of the the gospels.

Joel 2 (KJV)

1. Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8. Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12. Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13. And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?
15. Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16. Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17. Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
18. Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
19. Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20. But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
21. Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things.
22. Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field; for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23. Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
28. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

 

[IndianaRob]

IOW, let's just make those dreaded unbelieving Jews in the first century the sole objects of God's wrath and punishments. Instead of the following applying to professed servants of Christ in the future, let's just make these be meaning those dreaded unbelieving Jews in the past, in the first century.

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


As if it is even remotely reasonable that any unbelieving Jew could ever be a professed servant of the Lord to begin with, where the Lord in verse 50 is obviously meaning Christ.

Those where the Scribes and Pharisees that lorded over, killed, abused, and took advantage of the righteous Jews. They were cut asunder and the kingdom was taken from them and given to the righteous Jews and Gentiles.

 

[Davidpt]

I think when it comes to 2 Peter 3:10 we have to look at everything related to the day of Lord. In Acts 2 Peter says that everything from verse 16 to verse 21 was fulfilled at Pentecost. Isn't reasonable to assume the day of the Lord happened in AD70?

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


I try not to interpret anything David, I try to just let the bible say what it says.

We need to do a study on Joel 2. In Acts 2 Peter said "I will pour out of my Spirit..." was fulfilled at Pentecost which means that all of the below happened BEFORE Pentecost yet there's no mention of any of that in any of the the gospels.

Joel 2 (KJV)

1. Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8. Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12. Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13. And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?
15. Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16. Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17. Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
18. Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
19. Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20. But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
21. Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things.
22. Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field; for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23. Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
28. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Granted, some of that began being fulfilled at Pentecost. That's not even debatable. Yet, look what some of the text says.

Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

In verse 20, what do you take 'before' to mean? I take it to mean that before that great and notable day of the Lord can come, first the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, thus the signs that the DOTL is near, thus at the door, or maybe even already in progress.

I then compare to the following in Matthew 24 and Revelation 6.

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood....

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


Matthew 24:29 then tells us that Acts 2:20 is fulfilled immediately after great tribulation. And Revelation 6:12 tells us that both Matthew 24:29 and Acts 2:20 are involving the time of the 6th seal. I can't speak for you or anyone else, but speaking for myself, no way in a million years do I think Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:12 can possibly be involving the first century and 70 AD.

 

[Davidpt]

I try not to interpret anything David, I try to just let the bible say what it says.

It might be like a speed limit sign that is posted. How should one interpret that? Does it mean that you can go any speed you want just as long as it's not the speed posted on the sign? Does it mean that you can go any speed you want up unto the speed posted on the sign? Does it mean you can go any speed you want, including exceeding the speed posted on the sign as long as you don't see any cops around? Does it mean that you cannot exceed the speed posted, under any circumstances, even if there are no cops around? Unless it was involving a dire emergency or something, maybe then it might be ok to exceed the speed posted. Therefore, 'under any circumstances' might not be correct in some cases, but in most cases it would be.

To then say you never interpret anything makes no sense as to how you cannot be doing that. You might think you are not interpreting anything, yet you are, otherwise you would not be able to form an opinion about anything.

 

[IndianaRob]

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Granted, some of that began being fulfilled at Pentecost. That's not even debatable. Yet, look what some of the text says.

Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

In verse 20, what do you take 'before' to mean? I take it to mean that before that great and notable day of the Lord can come, first the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, thus the signs that the DOTL is near, thus at the door, or maybe even already in progress.

I take "before" to mean the sun turning into darkness, and the moon into blood is a completely separate event from the day of the Lord and it happens prior to the day of the Lord.

I may be mistaken but I believe I shared Psalm 18 with you but it was your opinion that those verses were about David. Anyway I believe “before” the great and terrible day of the Lord is talking about Psalm 18 when God bowed the heavens and came down and wreaked havoc on the inhabitants of the world.

I then compare to the following in Matthew 24 and Revelation 6.

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood....

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


Matthew 24:29 then tells us that Acts 2:20 is fulfilled immediately after great tribulation. And Revelation 6:12 tells us that both Matthew 24:29 and Acts 2:20 are involving the time of the 6th seal. I can't speak for you or anyone else, but speaking for myself, no way in a million years do I think Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:12 can possibly be involving the first century and 70 AD.

Again this goes back to Psalm 18 and the story is also given in 2 Samuel 22 as a song David sang. David is singing a song about someone else, someone who went to hell for our sins. Someone who the Father cared so much about that he came to earth and punished them for killing his son.

Just like none of the things that happened in book Joel prior to "I will pour out my spirit" is mentioned in the Gospels, neither is anything prophesied about Jesus in Psalm 18 or 2 Samuel 22 mentioned. That's doesn't mean it didn't happen. It is up to us to tie all of that together to get the complete picture surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus.

The book of Revelation is not future. I can show you where all 4 horse riders are Jesus. "A measure of wheat for a penny, 3 measures of barley for a penny". A penny was a days work and the "grains" are the souls of men. Jesus work on the cross was one days work, the wheat and the barely are Jews and Gentiles souls. Sorry I got off on a tangent but consider the things I mentioned above about the sun and moon coming prior to the day of the Lord.

 

[IndianaRob]

It might be like a speed limit sign that is posted. How should one interpret that? Does it mean that you can go any speed you want just as long as it's not the speed posted on the sign? Does it mean that you can go any speed you want up unto the speed posted on the sign? Does it mean you can go any speed you want, including exceeding the speed posted on the sign as long as you don't see any cops around? Does it mean that you cannot exceed the speed posted, under any circumstances, even if there are no cops around? Unless it was involving a dire emergency or something, maybe then it might be ok to exceed the speed posted. Therefore, 'under any circumstances' might not be correct in some cases, but in most cases it would be.

To then say you never interpret anything makes no sense as to how you cannot be doing that. You might think you are not interpreting anything, yet you are, otherwise you would not be able to form an opinion about anything.

The Bible interprets itself and we have to let it do that or we’ll end up in error.

 

[Zao is life]

Some of these other views that like to throw monkey wrenches into something like that because of their doctrinal bias', has any of them ever proved you wrong here? Meaning, have any of them ever found a verse a two elswehere in the NT where anástasis is also used but that it was not referring to the resurrection of one's body, therefore, supports their interpretation of the first resurrection per Revelation 20?

The short answer is No.

The long answer is that though I gave the list of each New Testament verse that uses not only the word anastasis, but also the list of each New Testament verse that uses one of the other words associated with the resurrection: égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō,

and I said Note: The words (égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō) are not always used in reference to the resurrection: Sometimes they are used for rising up (as in "get up!"), or being raised up as a leader, or rising from sleep (in a normal sense), but wherever they are speaking about rising from death, they are speaking about the resurrection of the body from the dead.

Though I did all of that, no one has been able to to take even one of the verses in the lists I gave and actually refute the fact that the verse is clearly talking about the resurrection of the body, so they avoid almost all of the verses listed, and instead come up with nonsensical statements like this:​

You obviously haven't researched this very well.

Basically:

• The spiritual corpse must first be quickened by the supernatural voice of God (zōopoieō or suzōopoieō).
• This causes a spiritual resurrection (egeiro or anastasis)
• This then brings spiritual life to the sinner (zao).

So the actual resurrection, which is the resurrection of the body, spoken about in each one of the listed verses, gets completely ignored, and instead sweeping general statements of faith in this "spiritual anastasis/resurrection" get made (as above) as though those sweeping statements are addressing the fact that in the actual New Testament, none of the verses talking about resurrection are referring to this "spiritual resurrection" they have placed so much faith in.

In 1 Peter 1:3 Peter makes it clear that the the resurrection of the body comes though being born of the spirit:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth (anagennáō) into a living (záō) hope THROUGH the resurrection (anástasis) of Jesus Christ from the dead".

Pointing out the fact that the word zoopoieo (quickening, being made alive) is being applied to the body of an individual whose spirit has been born of the Spirit of God in all these verses quoted below, only causes them to re-state their faith in the "spiritual resurrection" that apparently Revelation 20:5-6 is talking about:

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul states,

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." -- 1 Corinthians 15:20-22.

Of course, 1 Corinthians 15 is talking only about the resurrection of the body - not "of the spirit".

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, even us being dead (the body being dead) in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

Again, in every New Testament verse where the word appears, the word egeírō (raised) is referring to the resurrection of the body, not of the human spirit. Christ's Spirit did not die. His body was quickened by the Spirit.

Paul also says the exact same thing in his letter to the Colossians (Colossians 2:12 and Colossians 3:1). This quickening of the body is also spoken about in:-

|| John 5:21; John 6:63; Romans 4:17; Romans 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15 vs. 22, 36 & 45; II Corinthians 3:6; Galatians 3:21; I Timothy 6:13; I Peter 3:18. ||

The word zōopoiéō is used in each verse.

There are many examples of this, but they will argue instead that in verses such as Romans 4:17 for example, where Paul refers once again to the fact that God "quickens [zoopoieo] the dead, and calls the things which do not exist as though they do exist", is not referring to the quickening of the body, but "of the spirit", as though Paul says one thing in one place and then contradicts what he said in another place:

"If the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:11).

In 1 Corinthians 15 verses 22, 35-36 & 45 Paul talks about how being made alive by the Spirit (zōopoiéō) results in the resurrection of the body (soma).

As can be seen from the above, throughout the New Testament the teaching of the apostles and the New Testament is consistent: The one who raised Christ from the dead will quicken your mortal bodies if His Spirit dwells in you - and the only way His Spirit will dwell in anyone, is if the person has been born of the Spirit (and I listed all the verses):

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth (anagennáō) into a living (záō) hope THROUGH the resurrection (anástasis) of Jesus Christ from the dead". -- 1 Peter 1:3

But despite all the evidence as to the fact that scripture does not say what they assert it says about the resurrection, they still call the new birth "spiritual resurrection", or they call the quickening of the body "the quickening of the spirit" (or both),

and the only response you will ever get from Amillennialists is the nonsensical repeats of the same sweeping statements expressing their faith (their solid belief in) in this so-called "spiritual resurrection" that apparently Revelation 20:5-6 is talking about,

and they claim to prove their arguments in long posts with the sweeping statements mentioned above containing scriptures quoted by them where the meanings have been changed by them in order to comply with their faith in a "resurrection of the spirit" or "quickening of the spirit" that not one verse of passage of scripture that they quote is actually talking about.

So when I see the exercise is pointless, I give up responding to all the many (many) false statements made in one post (because what I respond with gets ignored and instead their sweeping false assertions just get repeated), which then results in them telling me that I have not responded to their own non-responses to my replies to their many false assertions, and so it goes around in circles.

I could actually quote each scripture reference listed in the OP, to make it easy for them to read each and every verse, and then attempt to argue that some of the verses are not talking about the resurrection of the body, but of "the spirit", but I doubt they would be interested in that - they're only interested in changing the meaning of scriptures to comply with the human-eology masquerading as Christian theology they have placed their faith in.

So there is no point in debating the issue any further with Amillennialists. I will just keep putting posts like the OP up for those who have eyes to see that the scriptures do not necessarily teach the human-eology masquerading as Christian theology that many have placed so much faith in.

The actual quotes of each verse in the lists is at the bottom of this page (for anyone who is interested):

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[Timtofly]

Let's see if that might be true which involves pinpointing when Jesus entered the temple on that particular day. But first let's go to the book of Matthew in order to pinpoint when Jesus entered the temple on that particular day. IOW, let's try and trace some of His steps on that particular day.

Matthew 21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?


From what I can deduce, verse 23 appears to be when He entered the temple that particular day.

Let's now go to the book of Luke.

Luke 20:1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,


This appears to be when Jesus entered the temple this particular day. Now compare the following.'

Matthew 21:23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

Luke 20:1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
2 And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
3 And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
4 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
5 And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not?
6 But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet.
7 And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was.
8 And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

It is plain silly beyond belief that what is recorded in Matthew 21:23-27 and Luke 20:1-8 took place on two different days. As if some of these ppl involved were so absent-minded that they forgot that they already asked Jesus these very same things previously when He was teaching in the temple on another day prior to this one. Come on now, let's at least use some common sense here. The day He entered the temple involving what is recorded in Matthew 24 is the same day He entered the temple involving Luke 21.

What some of you are not factoring in, some of what is recorded in Luke 21 is compressed, thus missing some vital details. The missing details can be found in Matthew 24.

For example.

Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?


When and where did they ask Him this? Simple. Just look in Matthew 24, it plainly tells us the when and where.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Compared with.

Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Verse 7 is compressed. It leaves out some of the details. Matthew 24:3 gives us the details missing in Luke 21:7.

Sometimes I have to wonder if some of you ever played connect the dots when you were growing up? And if you did, I then have to wonder if you were any good at it based on how some of you around here don't appear to be very good at connecting the dots when comparing Matthew 24 with Luke 21?

This reasoning does not work. Jesus told those at the Temple one thing, and the disciples a private thing besides what was mentioned in the Temple.

What is said in the Temple in public does not fill in the gaps of what is being said in private.


It would be the other way around. You think Jesus told them in private it was the Roman Armies that described the AoD mentioned in Public. But that is not the case.


What was said in public warned all about 66AD. To leave Jerusalem and never come back. It was not about 70AD at all. You are trying to force a warning at the Temple into a totally different set of warnings about the Second Coming. Warnings that would not affect the history of the first century one iota.

Jesus would be repeating certain facts over and over to instill into their thoughts, what would be brought to their remembrance later. Not sure why repeating some points over and over again is an issue. Jesus was the teacher and they were the students. That is how a teacher teaches.

BTW:

I never said what is in Luke 21 was on a different day, even if that even mattered. Luke 21 never states Jesus was finished with His whole thought any other place than at the Temple.

From Sunday until Tuesday Jesus was teaching daily in the Temple and in the evening on the Mount of Olives, except Tuesday they were in the upper room. Those were the last 3 days of teaching about anything. What was said was reinforced over and over as the most important last words.

 

[Timtofly]

You obviously haven't researched this very well. This statement is not true. It is wrong. There are various clear passages that refute this. You should study this more thorough before misleading people.

Are we spiritually dead or alive before salvation?

The answer of course is “dead.” We are all “dead in sin” before conversion as a result of the Fall. Therefore, we all automatically inherit that fallen nature through our federal head Adam by our first birth.

In order to shift from this awful state of death to life we must first hear the quickening or life-giving voice of the Lord and then experience the joy of spiritual resurrection. By being raised from the grave of sin and debauchery we experience newness of life (or are born from above). It is the resurrection of the spirit into a state of communion with God that causes the new birth. When resurrected our spirits are brought from death to life, this causes a new birth in our being. A human being consists of body, soul and spirit. It is the spirit that is dead unto God before salvation that is (1) quickened (2) resurrected from its death that (3) begets life and therefore a new nature or the spiritual man.

Basically:

• The spiritual corpse must first be quickened by the supernatural voice of God (zōopoieō or suzōopoieō).
• This causes a spiritual resurrection (egeiro or anastasis)
• This then brings spiritual life to the sinner (zao).

Quickening

Salvation is not some mere religious decision, it is not the accomplishing of some set of religious ordinances or good deeds, it is a supernatural act. After all, without God’s help man is unable to please God.

The fact is, the only possible way that a spiritually dead man or a physically dead man can move from death to life is through responding to the quickening voice of God. This is how God awakens the dead. There is no other way.

1 Corinthians 15:45-48 explains:

“The first man Adam was made a living soul.”

“the last Adam was made a quickening [Gr. zōopoieō] spirit."

And continues, “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.”

Keeping in mind the awful separation that occurred when Adam spiritually died when he partook of the forbidden fruit in the Garden, and allowing for the fact that all mankind was represented in Adam in that Fall, we now see the great reconciliation that is realized between God and man through Christ in the act of salvation. The sinner is made spiritually alive and brought into mystical union with God through the person and work of Christ, by supernaturally receiving life and by being spiritually revitalized.

This text teaches us that our “natural” ‘soulish’ man came first; the “spiritual … heavenly” came second. This is talking about our old man and our new man. The old man is dead unto God and controlled by natural understanding and natural feelings. Our new man is our spiritual man who has been raised from spiritual death. He is God-conscience, and alive unto God. These two natures are in conflict with each other.

The Greek word interpreted "quickening" is zōopoieō meaning to produce alive, to cause to live, make alive, give life. Metaphorically, it describes seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing.

We are talking about regeneration here! We are looking at the translation of a man from death to life. This is indeed supernatural, and is instigated by the Lord. The phrase "a quickening spirit" is talking about the initiator of life Jesus Christ; a quickened spirit is the recipient of that life.

Jesus said in John 6:63, “It is the spirit that quickeneth [Gr. zōopoieō]; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”

Man’s natural body and soul remain alive (in all men saved and lost) until physical death. It is therefore the spirit of man that is dead towards God that is (1) quickened and then (2) resurrected from its grave that begets life and therefore a new nature or the spiritual man. The spiritual man is “created in righteousness and true holiness” (Ephesians 4:24) and hence alive unto God.

Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ [Gr. sunegeirō] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised [Gr. egeiro] him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzōopoieō] together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

Before salvation we were dead, obviously not physically, but spiritually. But when Christ breathed spiritual life into us, we were "quickened" (or made alive spiritually) and "raised" from the grave of our sin.

The word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the Greek word suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806), which is derived from combining the words sun (Strong’s 4862) with zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227), meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. Hence, we can see the deep meaning of this word in the aforementioned passage and the essential work that is perfected in the penitent sinner in regeneration.

This explicit passage describes the act of salvation as a resurrection feat. Moreover, the raising of the forgiven child of God in resurrection power in salvation is in turn carefully identified with, and connected to, Christ’s glorious resurrection. It confirms that our hearts “are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” in salvation, and likens this supernatural work to a death, burial and resurrection. This reading shows how the child of God is “buried with him,” “quickened together with him,” and finally “risen with him.”

Once a person gets saved they are made spiritually alive through spiritual resurrection. This involves a spiritual birth. As a result, they enter into eternal life and consequently never die.

Your spirit is not dead. Your state is both spiritual and physical death.

You are not physically changed with the new birth, nor does your spirit change with the new birth.

Your condition as a sinner changes from death to life.

You are equating your spiritual condition as being a physical part of you when you hijack the first resurrection which is physical and call it something else. The OP is more correct than you are in interpretation.

A person who accepts the gift of salvation no longer has sin imputed to them, as that sin was placed on the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. You are currently a soul under the alter. That is the symbolism of John in Revelation 6 concerning the new birth. You are covered by the Atonement Covenant. You are awaiting physical death which is the redemption of the physical body, when your soul puts on God's permanent incorruptible physical body. That is the first resurrection.

 

[Timtofly]

I showed you proof that the same Greek words used to these resurrections is also used when describing spiritual resurrection. You carefully steer around that. You did not address one single argument I posted. I wonder why not? You have to because they expose your thesis.

Your examples are called an anology.

Anology: a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

A spiritual application explains a process of the relationship between a human and God. How God sees a born again human is through Jesus Christ. We use the same English words to explain this process as well. God sees mankind as dead. But that is not physical death. That death is the physical and spiritual state of being in Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

That does not mean the second birth makes us physically alive. One still has to physically die and be physically resurrected. But the word "dead" is used to describe both the condition of sin and being physically dead. Many still refuse to see that Adam literally physically died, the instant he disobeyed God. He went from a physical body of life to a physical body of death. Even though we are called mortal/death, you all still don't get it. Neither do you get the physical resurrection necessary to change back to that physical body of life. That is the literal first resurrection. The spiritual application is just an anology of the first resurrection, not the actual first resurrection.