Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[TribulationSigns]

In Dan. 9:27 was the final work of God, for our salvation, which was the pouring out of what was "determined" (in vs. 24), by Him upon the desolate (those who were void of God), which was the Gift of the Holy Spirit made available to all, who are of faith in Christ.

Huh? Doesn't make sense.

[27] And he shall confirm the [New] covenant with many FOR ONE week

Right. But the question is, how do you understand one week as? A literal 7 years, or a long span of time covering God's work through the Church?

: and in the midst of the [one] week he [Jesus] shall cause the [temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

No, not literal temple sacrifice. YOu missed the point. Christ was still building the Church through sacrifice and the obligation until all Elect are secured, THEN HE (Christ) WILL cause the sacrifice and the oblation needed for salvation to end for there will be no more salvation after He has secured all Elect through the testimony of Two Witnesses. Nothing to do with physical temple at the cross or in 70AD.

and for the overspreading of abominations [the continuance of animal sacrifices] he [Jesus] shall make it desolate,

The overspreading of abominations that Christ make it desolate is the abomination of desolation standing in the church where it ought not "AFTER" all Elect are secured. Nothing to do with the continuance of animal sacrifice you thought was in 70AD.

even until the consummation, and that "determined" [vs. 24] shall be poured upon the desolate
[those who are void of God].

The consummation is the Second Coming after the judgment of the whore (church) with abomination of desolation is finished.

Again, that fulfillment was on Pentecost, 50 days later after Jesus Ascended into Heaven. The Holy Spirit is NOW freely available to ALL for the ASKING, through faith in Christ's shed blood, for the REMOVAL of sins.
Acts 10
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out ["upon the desolate"] the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Just as Christ was baptized in the Jordan River which signifies the beginning of His Office to preach Gospel, the church was baptized by the Holy SPirit to start their great commission to preach the Gospel to the world. See this has nothing to do with the Preterism interpreation in 70AD where you have admitted that the Holy Spirit has ALREADY poured upon the Church and have gone into countries long before your 70AD vision! You need to understand that the Holy Spirit already poured upon New Testament church where she already started her ministry while the physical temple was still standing in Jersualem. So you can see that God has no use with your physical temple in 70AD, and you got wrong temple!

As Jesus said, while mortally DIEING on the cross: "It is FINISHED". See also: John 17
[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Dan. 9:24.

1st John 2:27

• "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

There is no anointing of this Spirit "in us" without Christ dying on the cross first. To say anything less is for the Christian to dabble in absurdity. His death is what makes this anointing that we hear His word, and receive the truths He teaches us, and by which Spirit we are sealed so that it is impossible that we will not enter the Kingdom of heaven. It's only possible as a "result" of His death on the cross to make it possible. It is done, it is finished, it is completed, it is fulfilled, we are thus saved by the washing (away of sins) by this Spirit poured out upon us. It does not mean the final covenant week was finished at the Cross which is absurd!

Now you know WHAT work was "FINISHED", the 70th week, of which was in 3.5 AD., the end of Jesus' work of confirming the New Covenant.

LOL, of course not. The death of Christ upon the Cross was a confirmation of a covenant week. Period. Not "confirming" until 35AD. No, the covenant week that Christ confirmed lasts until the CONSUMMATION. Do you even know what is consummation?! The end is the consummation! It is on the last day of Mankind! Not in 35AD which again is absurd! No, The church had a job to do until today which his what covenant week covers!

Here is a basic overview of the final covenant week. The FIRST HALF of this final week is the time, times and a half that we read about in Revelation 12. The Woman there gave birth to the Man Child (Christ) and she spent Time, Times and 1/2 (3 1/2) fed and nourished with Gospel to the world under the wings (Protection) of God, away from the face of the serpent. This is the first half of the week. The Holy People on this side of the Cross are CHRISTIANS, whether Jewish or Gentiles, are PROTECTED from the Serpent (because he was bound by Christ as long as the church is being built, symbolically 1,000 symbolic years). And fed with the preaching of the Gospel until the time their testimony is finished. Then at that time is the second half of the week. This is the midst (middle) when the other half of the week, the time, times, and 1/2 that is spoken of in Daniel 12 takes place. It's a time of great trial or tribulation which God says 'will not end' until the power of the Holy People has been scattered (Dan. 12:7), then the End will come. The end is the consummation. This obviously did not take place in 35AD with all those prophecies! That's the end of the last week of Daniel chapter 9. Curious (not Really), That's "exactly" what 2nd Thessalonians 2 says. The end will not come unless there comes an apostasy first, and the Holy Temple will have an abomination seated in it. Hello?! That is the scattering of the Holy People! it means that their power to preach the Gospel for salvation has been scattered or ended becasue all Elect has been secured! Remember God has the power to the Two Witnesses for 1,260 days, then after this, their power has been removed or scattered BECAUSE Satan has been loosened by God since He has secured all Elect through the testimony of Two Witnesses FIRST. This is the scattering of the Holy People spoken about in Daniel. Nothing comes out consistently inconsistent like your idea of 35AD! But here we have total consistency with everything else that is written about these things. That's because it's true. We must seek to understand God's Word correctly. It's when we go from one verse to another and there is a contradiction (as with other theories out there, including the Preterism and Premillennialism) that we know they have the wrong interpretation.

 

[CTK]

None of the arguments, I have been reading in this thread regarding the 70th week address the vision in Daniel 9:21, 22, 23, 24.

That vision is of the time of the end vision in Daniel 8 of the little horn's activities which is 2300 days - requiring the full 70th week to be completed in the time of the the end.

Dougg, I sent you this response in the other topic... would you mind discussing this interpretation of the 2300 days. I also provided my interpretation on the "visions and prophecies" regarding their timing - where there are two separate Hebrew terms for vision - the chazon and the mareh. Now, you certainly do not have to agree with any of them, but I do not get any understanding why they are not acceptible or why you might have a stronger / better interpretation of these specific issues.



Thanks Dougg. It was some 5 months attempting to understand and interpret this time element. Every interpretation I read turned it into a secular event... whether they converted it to years or even cut the 2300 into 2 or 1150 days and attempted to match it to a event around the time of AE... But none of that made any sense to be and I believed it was just another of the most difficult verses in the Bible to unpack and properly interpret. After around 5 monts, I went back to my "approach" which I had used up to Chapter 7. This "approach" departed from what I believe everyone has applied - that is, the historical approach. Meaning, they would sit at their desk with the Book of Daniel on the left side, and their history books on the right side and attempt to find those actors and events in the history books that might fit those actors and events within Daniel's verses. And they would feel somewhat comfortable doing that since they would believed that Daniel was written, not only to matchup with our history, but also be written in chronological fashion. Example: who comes after Alexander and his 4 generals? Well, it has to be the Ptolemy's, the Seleucid's, and even further out, AE. But God is not writing a history book. And one other major flaw in their "approach:" they almost exclusively refused to try and interpret these verses as if they might apply to the coming Messiah. They continued their "secular" or "historical" approach even within the Hebrew chapters. When our history books failed to keep pace or provide a close match to the actors and events mentioned in Daniel, they would adopt a new approach - they would declare that since they could not be found in our history books, they must not have happened yet and so many were thrown far into the future some 2000 years later -and they still have not occurred according to their theory. But indeed they did take place around the time of the Messiah and they do speak to the coming Messiah and His plan of salvation for the Jews and mankind. If the coming Messiah is not found within the most prophetic book in the Bible... where is He mentioned? The 70 weeks of years prophecy is all about the restoration of His people and His city... and the most important component of that restoration is the presence of God in the Sanctuary that was taken away by Jeremiah before the Babylonians could obtain it. God would not allow the Babylonians to take the Ark of the Covenant and God would also not allow man to kill His Messiah.... Jesus said in John 10:18,

"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

So, I went back to my desk and I believe that God allowed me to find this (and remember, the time element of the 2300 evenings and mornings meant the Sanctuary would be cleansed. Who is the ONLY One that could do this? The Messsiah at His first coming.


Jesus would arrive on the very first day of the 70th week. That means, there would be exactly 2520 days within the last week of the prophecy (360 @ 7). There would be exactly 7 Passover feasts within this last week. However, the very first Passover was held in Jerusalem exactly 6 months AFTER He was baptized and anointed in the Jordan. From the first day of His ministry to the day of the 7th Passover within the last 7 years of the prophecy, there are exactly 2340 days. (6.5 years @ 360). Remember, this last week was "set aside" by God for His Messiah to fulfill not only the 6 elements mentioned in 9:24, but also to cleanse the Sanctuary, establish His church and within 50 days, He would send His Holy Spirit to mankind. But of course, He would be rejected and crucified... but we all can agree, that God certainly knew what was going to take place and this was always designed within His plan or salvation. But after the 7 Passover feast days within this last week, the Sanctuary, attended by Jesus would have been cleansed. There is only two remaining issues to consider:

1) The exact time period from the beginning of His ministry to that 7th Passover day was 2340 days. However, the Messiah would arrive, not only to be the Perfect sacrifice, but the High Priest, our Temple. And if you look into Leviticus, you will find that each one of these three items MUST be declared to be pure and cleansed - the Priest must be cleanese, the Temple must be declared clean, and the sacrificial animal must be free of any defects. Thus, the Messiah could not perform any of these three items unless He was also declared to be clean and pure and free of any defect / sin. (Of course we all know that Jesus had never and would not ever sin, but He would still honor the laws within Leviticus established by His Father. Consequently, to prepare Himself as being "clean or cleansed." immediately after He was baptized in the Jordan, Jesus went into the desert for exactly 40 days to be tempted by the devil. And of course, He did not disobey His Father and honored His laws and commands and did not succumb to his temptations. He would be declared free or sin and thus be able to perform as our High Priest, our Temple, our Passover lamb... all cleansed. So, these 40 days are to be subtracted from the 2340 days to arrive exactly at 2300 days. If you look for the Messiah within Daniel's verses, you will find Him.

2) Now, I am sure there may be many who would argue that Jesus did not continue on earth to the 7th Passover... and of course they are correct, but that certainly should not be enough to throw out this interpretation... only God could design such an unbelievable plan of salvation. But for those that need more.... I would ask that you accept a very different interpretation that is found in the Gospels. It also has been improperly applied to an end time scenerio (false teachings of a 7 year tribuation). In Matthew 24:22, almost everyone claims this verse speaks about some mythical antichrist figure who will destroy man / Jews after a 3.5 year midpoint of the fictitious 7 year tribulation. But that is not what Matthew was referring to...(in my opinion).

"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."
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In this verse, Matthew is pointing squarely at the work of the Messiah on the cross..... not looking forward some 2000 years but backwards to the cross. It was the Messiah who WILLINGLY went to the cross for the salvation of mankind. This was 3.5 years before the 7th Passover feast would have taken place. Therefore, it was JESUS WHO WILLINGLY SHORTENED THOSE DAYS (OF THE LAST WEEK) AND WENT TO THE CROSS FOR THE SALVATION OF MANKIND - without the cross, NO flesh would ever be saved... He is the only way to salvation.

 

[Douggg]

So, I went back to my desk and I believe that God allowed me to find this (and remember, the time element of the 2300 evenings and mornings meant the Sanctuary would be cleansed. Who is the ONLY One that could do this? The Messsiah at His first coming.

The Sanctuary was not desolate at the time of Jesus's first coming. So it did not need to be cleansed.

 

[CTK]

The Sanctuary was not desolate at the time of Jesus's first coming. So it did not need to be cleansed.

Dougg, the term "desolate" in Chapter 9 means that, as a result of their rejection and crufifying their Messiah, He would "make desolate" Himself from His people for over 2000 years. They rejected Him and now He would turn to offering His plan of salvation to the Gentiles. At the end of the time of the Gentiles, Jesus will remove the blindness from their eyes and they will recognize the One they had pierced.

The Temple, the Sanctuary, the 7 feast days, the holy vessels, the animal sacrifices and offerings were a "type and shadow" of the comimg Messiah. He would fulfill each of them by His coming and His sacrifice on the cross. They are no longer needed for anything - He is our Temple, our Passover Lamb, our Sanctuary, our High Priest. They have been fufilled by Jesus.. They have no importance ever again.

 

[Douggg]

The Temple, the Sanctuary, the 7 feast days, the holy vessels, the animal sacrifices and offerings were a "type and shadow" of the comimg Messiah. He would fulfill each of them by His coming and His sacrifice on the cross. They are no longer needed for anything - He is our Temple, our Passover Lamb, our Sanctuary, our High Priest. They have been fufilled by Jesus.. They have no importance ever again.

The little horn person in Daniel 8:11-13 stops the daily sacrifice in the time of the end. And commits the transgression of desolation act in Daniel 8:12-13.

That little horn person becomes the beast (king) of Revelation 13-19.

 

[covenantee]

Dougg, the term "desolate" in Chapter 9 means that, as a result of their rejection and crufifying their Messiah, He would "make desolate" Himself from His people for over 2000 years. They rejected Him and now He would turn to offering His plan of salvation to the Gentiles. At the end of the time of the Gentiles, Jesus will remove the blindness from their eyes and they will recognize the One they had pierced.

The Temple, the Sanctuary, the 7 feast days, the holy vessels, the animal sacrifices and offerings were a "type and shadow" of the comimg Messiah. He would fulfill each of them by His coming and His sacrifice on the cross. They are no longer needed for anything - He is our Temple, our Passover Lamb, our Sanctuary, our High Priest. They have been fufilled by Jesus.. They have no importance ever again.

Amen.

Here's some revealing history on an attempt to resurrect the "decayed vanished" temple. Hebrews 8:13

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and oppressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

 

[CTK]

The little horn person in Daniel 8:11-13 stops the daily sacrifice in the time of the end. And commits the transgression of desolation act in Daniel 8:12-13.

That little horn person becomes the beast (king) of Revelation 13-19.

I disagree Dougg. The little horn would not come to power until AFTER pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed around 470 AD. It was the sacrifice of Jesus that stopped the daily sacrifice and offerings. His sacrifice was perfect and a one time fulfillment for the atonement of all sin. After the cross, the animal sacrifices, the offerings, the Temple, the Sanctuary were no longer needed for anything. The Messiah had done away with any further need for animal sacrifices and offerings - once and for all.

 

[Earburner]

First, Zechariah 4:14 has nothing to do with the baptism of Christ. Oddly that you are as confused as Phoneman777 that I recently deal with. Zechariah 4 is talking about two branches and a candlestick representing God's people being anointed ones.

Second, Christ being baptized in the Jordan River was NOT a confirmation of a final week of Daniel.



No, the final week of Daniel did not start with the baptism of Christ, nor his ministry. It was His Death at the Cross.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The confirmation of the covenant takes place after Messiah be cut off when His people came against him. How can you have a baptism occur AFTER Messiah be cut off? You do not make any sense.




False. The confirmation was made the moment Christ died. Didn't you read Hebrew 9 at all?
Heb 9:15-18
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
(18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

The covenant (also known as Testament) was not confirmed or strengthened until Christ died, not when he was baptized! The confirmation of a covenant was not process that took 3.5 years which is absurd.



Again, you got the timing all wrong. You are fixated on 3.5 being "literal years" thinking the final covenant week is a literal 7 years. This is not what God see that way!

We have seen in this verse God talk about the blessings to come upon Israel, and now He is talking about the curse. To seal up (close up) the vision and the Prophet means to shut up their understanding, a judgement of God upon the people. It's the same word we saw earlier translated 'make an end' of sins. It means that the vision and the prophets of Israel have come to an end. For example, when talking about the stumbling stone, the rock of offense (Which is their Messiah), Isaiah's prophesy reads:

Isaiah 8:14-16

• "And He shall be for a Sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence to both the house of Israel, for a gin and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
• And many among them shall stumble and be snared, and be taken.
• bind up the testimony, Seal the law among My Disciples."

That is the language of God's mercy, but it is also language illustrating His judgement upon His people at the coming of Messiah. Note carefully the two distinctions. He (Christ) is a Sanctuary for some "but" it says He is also a stone of stumbling for others. God says, "bind up the testimony." That plainly means that the testimony of God is closed up to them. And God continues saying, "Seal the law among the disciples." That means they (his people) will not have understanding. The understanding of the law (word of God) will be sealed shut to them. The Messiah will be a stumbling stone to them instead of a foundation stone. We can get a better understanding of this in the prophecy of Isaiah chapter 29:

Isaiah 29:10

• "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of Deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath He covered."

Cross reference this to where Paul, speaking of this judgement upon Israel, declares:

Romans 11:8

• "According as it is written, God hath given them the Spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day."

So, comparing scripture with scripture, we can see what God means by the phrase, "sealing up the vision and the Prophet." It is His judgement upon Old Testament Israel that they would not see, which took place at the time of the cross. Spiritual blindness (sealing shut as far as the word of God is concerned) is happened to Israel! That is exactly what we have read in Isaiah Chapter 29, verse 10. And verse 11 continues in that same vein making it even clearer.

Isaiah 29:11

• "And the Vision of all is become unto you as the words of a letter that is Sealed, which when men deliver to one that is learned, saying read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed."

This is the vision that is sealed in Israel. And this is the prophet that is sealed in Israel. It signifies their inability to see spiritually and their inability to understand the prophecy. This is what God has determined should come upon Israel in these 70 weeks of Daniel chapter 9.

Selah!

(Now my response to the rest of your post continue on next post due to space)

It's sad to hear, that to you, Jesus had nothing to say, in regards to the New Covenant BEFORE He was crucified (cut off- not for himself), in the MIDST of The 70th week.
It's not that hard to figure out by the Holy Spirit's teaching, however "books" are required for the explanation by the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. 2:5

 

[CTK]

Amen.

Here's some revealing history on an attempt to resurrect the "decayed vanished" temple. Hebrews 8:13

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and oppressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

Wow! That is powerful. I have never read that before... thanks so much.... I have to mention this... I believe you are the very first person who interprets Daniel in the same manner as myself.... I am so surprised!!!!!! Anyway, I don't know if you would be interested in this or not, but I would like to offer you an authors copy of my commentary on the Book of Daniel that came out this week. I can have it sent directly to a mailing address of your choice directly from Amazon. I do not believe you will be receiving it until the near end of the month.... still printing. And that offer is for others here that might want to "waste their time" reading a very new and different interpretation on Daniel. It is an easy read and as you can tell by my responses here, it will give you details or attempt to provide reasons for the truly new interpretations . Let me know and thanks.

 

[covenantee]

Wow! That is powerful. I have never read that before... thanks so much.... I have to mention this... I believe you are the very first person who interprets Daniel in the same manner as myself.... I am so surprised!!!!!! Anyway, I don't know if you would be interested in this or not, but I would like to offer you an authors copy of my commentary on the Book of Daniel that came out this week. I can have it sent directly to a mailing address of your choice directly from Amazon. I do not believe you will be receiving it until the near end of the month.... still printing. And that offer is for others here that might want to "waste their time" reading a very new and different interpretation on Daniel. It is an easy read and as you can tell by my responses here, it will give you details or attempt to provide reasons for the truly new interpretations . Let me know and thanks.

Yes, I'd certainly like to receive it. Do you or will you have an e-version?

Your interpretation reflects that of the Protestant Reformation historicists, which was the sole and exclusive interpretation from the 14th to the 19th centuries. You're in discerning company.

 

[CTK]

Yes, I'd certainly like to receive it. Do you or will you have an e-version?

Your interpretation reflects that of the Protestant Reformation historicists, which was the sole and exclusive interpretation from the 14th to the 19th centuries. You're in discerning company.

Unfortunatly no. I am working on the eBook but are having some real formatting concerns when the docx file is converted to epub and then uploaded to KDP. But it will happen. I don't know how to receive someone's mailing address here without it being made know to everyone else on the forum... if there is a way for you and others to provide that in a safe manner, let me know.. Thanks.

 

[CTK]

Yes, I'd certainly like to receive it. Do you or will you have an e-version?

Your interpretation reflects that of the Protestant Reformation historicists, which was the sole and exclusive interpretation from the 14th to the 19th centuries. You're in discerning company.

Oh, I forgot... some folks have given me the mailing address of a PO Box or their church address.... and then asked me to also give a copy for their Pastor.

 

[Douggg]

I disagree Dougg. The little horn would not come to power until AFTER pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed around 470 AD.

The little horn person stops the daily sacriice in the time of the end.

470 AD...
1. was not time of the end.
2. there were no daily sacrifices going on in 470 AD to stop, because the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

The Jews of our time desire to rebuild the temple and get the daily sacrifices going again. A couple of Jewish organizations dedicated for that objective are the Temple Mount Faithful and the Temple Institute.

 

[CTK]

The little horn person stops the daily sacriice in the time of the end.

470 AD...
1. was not time of the end.
2. there were no daily sacrifices going on in 470 AD to stop, because the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

The Jews of our time desire to rebuild the temple and get the daily sacrifices going again. A couple of Jewish organizations dedicated for that objective are the Temple Mount Faithful and the Temple Institute.

Sorry Dougg, I think the way I wrote my response may have confused you. You are correct, 470 AD is not the time of the end, but this is when the little horn will surface and come to full power (around 500AD), thus he cannot be the one who stopped the daily sacrifice and offerings since the Temple, the Sanctuary and everything in Israel was already completely destroyed in 70 AD.

You are also correct in that the Jews of our time desire to rebuild the Temple and restart the sacrifices... that is because they continue to NOT accept that Jesus is their Messiah... they still have not recognized Him.... so it makes perfect sense that they are still awaiting the coming (first) of their Messiah... but what they think means absolutely nothing regarding what literally and actually took place 2000 years ago. This is exactly why theywere made "desolate" with their God - they rejected and crucified Him.....but this will soon change...

 

[Earburner]

I agree it would be literal. But it starts with a prince confirming a covenant for 1 week (7 years) what covenant did Jesus confirm with many for 7 years?

Your post 137:
Wrong!! You are attempting to hi-jack the 7 years of the 70th week, and then heave it out into the far future, calling it The 7 year Great Tribulation.
Don't you know that you are drinking the "Cool-aid" of "the wisdom of men???

The prince (Titus) IS NOT part of THE 70 week prophecy at all. He is after the fact, due to "the overspreading of abominations" (KJV) by the Jews, in their continuance of animal sacrifices, of which was an abomination unto God, now that His Son, "the Lamb OF God" had shed His innocent blood.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry Dougg, I think the way I wrote my response may have confused you. You are correct, 470 AD is not the time of the end, but this is when the little horn will surface and come to full power (around 500AD), thus he cannot be the one who stopped the daily sacrifice and offerings since the Temple, the Sanctuary and everything in Israel was already completely destroyed in 70 AD.

You are also correct in that the Jews of our time desire to rebuild the Temple and restart the sacrifices... that is because they continue to NOT accept that Jesus is their Messiah... they still have not recognized Him.... so it makes perfect sense that they are still awaiting the coming (first) of their Messiah... but what they think means absolutely nothing regarding what literally and actually took place 2000 years ago. This is exactly why theywere made "desolate" with their God - they rejected and crucified Him.....but this will soon change...

The SDA view is that the little horn is the papacy, office of the pope. However, the little horn stops the daily sacrifice. Since there have been no daily sacrifices since 70 AD, the pope(s) whether in 500 AD, thereabouts, or not - cannot fit as being the little horn person.

There has to be a temple built in Jerusalem, and animal sacrifices going again in order for the little horn person to stop those.

 

[CTK]

The SDA view is that the little horn is the papacy, office of the pope. However, the little horn stops the daily sacrifice. Since there have been no daily sacrifices since 70 AD, the pope(s) whether in 500 AD, thereabouts, or not - cannot fit as being the little horn person.

There has to be a temple built in Jerusalem, and animal sacrifices going again in order for the little horn person to stop those.

Dougg, why do you not accept that the Messiah, when He sacrificed Himself on the cross, did not "do away" with the need for any further animal sacrifices, offerings, etc. After the cross, the Temple, the Sanctuary, etc., had no value - ever again.. Their mission was fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

The prince (Titus) IS NOT part of THE 70 week prophecy at all. He is after the fact, due to "the overspreading of abominations" by the Jews, in their continuance of animal sacrifices, of which was an abomination unto God, now that His Son, "the Lamb OF God" had shed His innocent blood.

The abomination of desolation is time of the end, and is Daniel 12:11-12 as being "set up".

Daniel 21:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast (king) that the false prophet has made in Revelation 13:14.

 

[Douggg]

Dougg, why do you not accept that the Messiah, when He sacrificed Himself on the cross, did not "do away" with the need for any further animal sacrifices, offerings, etc. After the cross, the Temple, the Sanctuary, etc., had no value - ever again.. Their mission was fulfilled.

Keep in mind that the daily sacrifice was established as a requirement of the Mt. Sinai covenant between God and the children of Israel.
The Gentiles were not part of that covenant.

Yes, Jesus's death and resurrection made the daily sacrifice no longer as the means for the Jews to deal with their sins. Which of course the daily sacrifice was a interim measure, until Jesus came to be the perfect sacrifice for sins. Jesus's atoning shed blood is by which all men can be saved from the power of sin's effect to destroy a person eternally.

Eschatology is the study of events that will lead up to Jesus's return. There are things that will take place in the end times that are directly at odds with Salvation in Christ. The little horn's activities are chief among those.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I disagree Dougg. The little horn would not come to power until AFTER pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed around 470 AD. It was the sacrifice of Jesus that stopped the daily sacrifice and offerings. His sacrifice was perfect and a one time fulfillment for the atonement of all sin. After the cross, the animal sacrifices, the offerings, the Temple, the Sanctuary were no longer needed for anything. The Messiah had done away with any further need for animal sacrifices and offerings - once and for all.

No the abomination which causes desolation is the cause.. Not jesus sacrifice.. that is not a desolation and it was in the holy place