Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[TribulationSigns]

It was and is my contention that these verses do not speak to any group of people at the time of the end.

Not only the time of the end before the Second Coming of Christ (Consummation).

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So this final covenant week after the Cross covers the whole New Testament period where Christians (who also are Daniel's people) went forth preaching the Gospel to the world... until the Consummation! This is clear enough that this has nothing to do with "homeland after the destruction of everything by the Babylonians as you thought!

And I will fight against the false doctrine or unbiblical interpreation regardless of who.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The 70th week of Daniel 9 is still unfulfilled. And cannot be fulfilled until the time of the end because the vision in verses 21, 22, 23, 24 is that of the time of the end little horn's activities of Daniel 8.

Dougg, I appreciate your obvious enthusiasm and respect your opinions on this.... we just interpret these verses very differently... and that is okay... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and views.... and yours are no less valuable than mine.

Both of your views are wrong.

The final covenant week of Daniel 70 has been fulfilling since the Cross! The period started from when the Messiah confirmed a covenant with His people (the very people who Christ said the power was given to them for a witness to the world) until the Consummation when Christ will return. So the covenant week was NOT the fulfillment of 70AD nor the "time of the end" with their so-called 7-year peace treaty confirmed by (ahem) the antichrist which is a false doctrine set forth by the Premillennialists.

 

[Super Kal]

Personally, I take the viewpoint that Hippolytus taught in the 2nd/3rd centuries. Hippolytus was the student of Irenaeus, and Irenaeus was the student of Polycarp, who in turn was the student of the Apostle John...
It is from Hippolytus where we see the first teaching of Daniel's 70th week being a future seven year time period that deals with the Antichrist, the Mark of the Beast, and the events in the book of Revelation leading up to the return of Jesus Christ

 

[Earburner]

Again, you are wrong. This is not what God said about Daniel's people. Please allow Scripture to be its own interpreter on who Daniel's people are

Yes, the 70 weeks are determined upon thy people. The question is, who are Daniel's people? We need to go no further than the preceding verses. Verse 20 of Daniel 9 says Daniel was praying and confessing the sins of himself and "His People, Israel." We should allow Scirpture to interpret who Daniel's people are!

Dan 9:20
(20) And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

Again the question is who is his people Israel that God will make reconciliation for iniquity per Daniel 9:24?

2nd Corinthians 5:18

• "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation.
• To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

This is what Daniel means by making an end of sins and that reconciliation is made for iniquity. This verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 is clearly speaking of the Messiah's atonement FOR THE SINS OF ISRAEL, by the work of the cross. Not national Israel as you thought but covenant Israel!

Luke 1:68-70

• "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
• And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
• As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:"

There the prophecy is FULFILLED as Daniel's people Israel has their Messiah come, that their sins would be closed up (or come to an end), and that reconciliation would be made. And that is exactly what Christ, who was Israel's Messiah, did.

Hebrews 2:17

• "Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of The People."

The same as the prophecy we read in Daniel 9:20 where he was praying for the sins of His people! That Messiah would come for the reconciliation of the sins of His people. And this was fulfilled in Christ's atonement. This is WHY God was response to Daniel's prayer about His people and His City. God sees Daniel's people as all Elect from the Old Testament and New Testament including GENTILES IN CHRIST! Have you already forgotten that we Gentiles have grafted into the covenant tree along with the Jews and we all are God's people? We, Gentiles, will sit next to Adam, Job, David, and guess what Daniel in the Kingdom of Heaven since we all are God's people! Not the Jews only! So this is why God had to come down to Earth to confirm a covenant with Daniel's people (Dan 9:27) by going to the Cross and He did NOT exclude the Gentiles to be considered as Daniel's people. Perish the thought! We are indeed Daniel's people too! And we all are Holy City Jersualem since it is a bride of Christ who He has gone to the Cross for!! Not the Jews or a physical city only which is an absurd doctrine of the Preterism.

Selah!

The primal objective of God for the 70 weeks (aka 490 years), was for Jesus to "finish" the six works that could ONLY be performed by Him. Dan. 9:24.

Within the 7 years of the 70th week, Jesus performed those six works by confirming the New Covenant 3.5 years through His flesh, and then 3.5 years by His Spirit.
John.17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Other than that, Israel was just a tool for God's "end game",....OUR salvation.

But, just as equally important, God the Father for Himself required the shed blood and the work of Christ also. Otherwise, He Himself as "a Spirit", could NEVER Live within us, without first Living within Jesus.
Therefore, it is very important to understand Rom. 8:8-9; Rev. 3:20 and Luke 11:13.

 

[Earburner]

Personally, I take the viewpoint that Hippolytus taught in the 2nd/3rd centuries. Hippolytus was the student of Irenaeus, and Irenaeus was the student of Polycarp, who in turn was the student of the Apostle John...
It is from Hippolytus where we see the first teaching of Daniel's 70th week being a future seven year time period that deals with the Antichrist, the Mark of the Beast, and the events in the book of Revelation leading up to the return of Jesus Christ

But,....isn't all of that understanding, of the "cutting off" of 7 years of the 70th, and then attaching it way off into the far future, derived through "the wisdom of men"? 1 Cor. 2:5

 

[Super Kal]

But,....isn't all of that understanding, of the "cutting off" of 7 years of the 70th, and then attaching it way off into the far future, derived through "the wisdom of men"? 1 Cor. 2:5

When it concerns Daniel 927 and the different interpretation of that particular verse, you can trace back the interpretations of these verses to the first people who taught it, and every interpretation that I have read in this thread has its origins with some one other than Christ and the Apostles, even the interpretation that I believe is true.

This forum limits me to 10,000 characters every post, so I cannot post every quote from the early church leaders in this thread, but the website that I have linked to lists everyone from Josephus to Augustine on what they taught concerning Daniel's 70th week

How did the early church fathers interpret Daniel 9?

This article shows that there was a strong consensus among the early church fathers that Daniel’s seventy weeks were fulfilled in Christ.

revelationbyjesuschrist.com

 

[covenantee]

Personally, I take the viewpoint that Hippolytus taught in the 2nd/3rd centuries. Hippolytus was the student of Irenaeus, and Irenaeus was the student of Polycarp, who in turn was the student of the Apostle John...
It is from Hippolytus where we see the first teaching of Daniel's 70th week being a future seven year time period that deals with the Antichrist, the Mark of the Beast, and the events in the book of Revelation leading up to the return of Jesus Christ

The following quote of Hippolytus demonstrates his belief in the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 by Christ at His first coming, which is a diametrical disagreement with dispensational futurism:

200AD Hippolytus of Rome (70 weeks) 16. That transgressions, therefore, are blotted out, and that reconciliation is made for sins, is shown by this. But who are they who have reconciliation made for their sins, but they who believe on His name, and propitiate His countenance by good works? And that after the return of the people from Babylon there was a space of 434 years [bible.ca note: the actual number is 538 years till Christ's birth], until the time of the birth of Christ, may be easily understood. For, since the first covenant was given to the children of Israel after a period of 434 years, it follows that the second covenant also should be defined by the same space of time, in order that it might be expected by the people and easily recognised by the faithful. 17. And for this reason Gabriel says: "And to anoint the Most Holy." And the Most Holy is none else but the Son of God alone, who, when He came and manifested Himself, said to them, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me;" and so forth.

 

[CTK]

The primal objective of God for the 70 weeks (aka 490 years), was for Jesus to "finish" the six works that could ONLY be performed by Him. Dan. 9:24.

Within the 7 years of the 70th week, Jesus performed those six works by confirming the New Covenant 3.5 years through His flesh, and then 3.5 years by His Spirit.
John.17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Other than that, Israel was just a tool for God's "end game",....OUR salvation.

But, just as equally important, God the Father for Himself required the shed blood and the work of Christ also. Otherwise, He Himself as "a Spirit", could NEVER Live within us, without first Living within Jesus.
Therefore, it is very important to understand Rom. 8:8-9; Rev. 3:20 and Luke 11:13.

Very nice! God bless.

 

[Earburner]

When it concerns Daniel 927 and the different interpretation of that particular verse, you can trace back the interpretations of these verses to the first people who taught it, and every interpretation that I have read in this thread has its origins with some one other than Christ and the Apostles, even the interpretation that I believe is true.

This forum limits me to 10,000 characters every post, so I cannot post every quote from the early church leaders in this thread, but the website that I have linked to lists everyone from Josephus to Augustine on what they taught concerning Daniel's 70th week

How did the early church fathers interpret Daniel 9?

This article shows that there was a strong consensus among the early church fathers that Daniel’s seventy weeks were fulfilled in Christ.

revelationbyjesuschrist.com

Thanks for the website! It does provide good insight on how the "early church" surveyed Dan. 9 for understanding, of how accuracy was weighed out.

Today however, since many churches have gravitated towards believing that the 7 years of the 70th week were "cut off", and then attached it to "end times", I find no justification for it whatsoever.

What is even more ludicrous, they have taken (hi-jacked) those 7 years of Jesus' ministry 3.5yrs. in the flesh, + 3.5yrs. in the Spirit, of the 70th week, and applied it to a prophesied "time of great tribulation", of which scripturally, has no assigned value of time, as to when that shall be, or how long.
Matt.24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Rev.7:14-17
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Even for those who have "come out of great tribulation", we shouldn't isolate those as being only in the "end days", but rather it could be ALL the Saints combined, being both the OC and the NC., for all time.

In the words of the repentant thief on the cross, this is what he was referencing:
Malachi 3
[16] Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
[17] And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

The repentant thief said:
Luke 23
[39] And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
[40] But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
[41] And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
[42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

The repentant thief was made to be a jewel unto the Lord

 

[TribulationSigns]

The primal objective of God for the 70 weeks (aka 490 years), was for Jesus to "finish" the six works that could ONLY be performed by Him. Dan. 9:24.

Okay, and?

Within the 7 years of the 70th week,

Time out.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What is this one week (seven) that follows the cutting off of Messiah (after the 62 weeks or sevens)? Like you for example, there has been a lot of speculation and guessing of what this means. We've heard everything from 7 years, to divided into 3.5 years, 70 years, etc. etc. The reason that we have all these different ideas about this final week, is because people are not letting the scripture interpret this week. They are doing a lot of assuming, and their studies are dripping with speculation of when this Covenant is confirmed. I say that respectfully, but with passion. For we 'must' let the Bible itself tell us what it means. As Righteous Joseph said when asked his interpretation, "..Do not Interpretations belong to God?" He was right! And God speaks to us today through His word, not speculation. Let's look within His Holy Word and see what God declares.

There is a simple way to determine what period this is. We know From the context (after the 62 weeks) that it starts after the cross, after Messiah the Prince is 'Cut Off.' And we know that this Prince Confirms ([gabar], a Hebrew word which actually is Strengthened) the Covenant after these 62 weeks. Therefore, the week cannot start until Christ is cut Off! Moreover, we know that in the midst of this final week, the sacrifice and offering (for salvation where Christ is our High Priest on our behalf) will cease. Ceased becasue He has finished secured all Elect (Revleaiton 7:1-4 through the testimony of two witnesses) then that at the end of this last week, is the consummation which is obviously the Second Coming. Not 70AD. This much is clearly told us in the verse. And so God has told us that that this week is from the cross (after 62 weeks when Messiah is cut off), and goes all the way from there, to the Consummation (the End of the World). So God was not talking about 7 years here! So what need is there to speculate? On several levels we see that it signifies the New Covenant week. In fact, the only reason anyone would speculate differently would be if they (you, too) didn't understand how sacrifice and offering ceases in the middle of the week since many people believe this refers to the 'literal' sacrifice of lambs in the literal temple, and so they are confused by a New Covenant week, with sacrifice ceasing, after the cross.

Jesus performed those six works by confirming the New Covenant 3.5 years through His flesh, and then 3.5 years by His Spirit.

NO where in Scripture that taught this exactly! 3.5 years through HIS FLESH and then 3.5 years by His spirit? How Absurd!

But, just as equally important, God the Father for Himself required the shed blood and the work of Christ also. Otherwise, He Himself as "a Spirit", could NEVER Live within us, without first Living within Jesus.
Therefore, it is very important to understand Rom. 8:8-9; Rev. 3:20 and Luke 11:13.

Huh?! No way that is not what Bible says! By the way, when did the 3.5 years by his spirit start and end in your doctrine then? What happened in 3.5 years after the Cross when Christ shed His blood?

 

[covenantee]

Therefore, the week cannot start until Christ is cut Off!

Who of these early defenders of the true faith believed that?

 

[Earburner]

Okay, and?

Study Dan. 9:24. God was "determined" to accomplish six things within 70 weeks [490 years].
What are those six things that He was determined to DO?

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Time out.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What is this one week (seven) that follows the cutting off of Messiah (after the 62 weeks or sevens)? Like you for example, there has been a lot of speculation and guessing of what this means. We've heard everything from 7 years, to divided into 3.5 years, 70 years, etc. etc. The reason that we have all these different ideas about this final week, is because people are not letting the scripture interpret this week. They are doing a lot of assuming, and their studies are dripping with speculation of when this Covenant is confirmed. I say that respectfully, but with passion. For we 'must' let the Bible itself tell us what it means. As Righteous Joseph said when asked his interpretation, "..Do not Interpretations belong to God?" He was right! And God speaks to us today through His word, not speculation. Let's look within His Holy Word and see what God declares.

Surely, you do agree that Messiah was cut off AFTER 62 weeks. Even after the 69th!!

You do know, that God the Father purposely intended to keep the actual date of His Son's first appearance, a SECRET? 1 Cor. 2:7-8.

There is a simple way to determine what period this is. We know From the context (after the 62 weeks) that it starts after the cross, after Messiah the Prince is 'Cut Off.' And we know that this Prince Confirms ([gabar], a Hebrew word which actually is Strengthened) the Covenant after these 62 weeks. Therefore, the week cannot start until Christ is cut Off! Moreover, we know that in the midst of this final week, the sacrifice and offering (for salvation where Christ is our High Priest on our behalf) will cease. Ceased becasue He has finished secured all Elect (Revleaiton 7:1-4 through the testimony of two witnesses) then that at the end of this last week, is the consummation which is obviously the Second Coming. Not 70AD. This much is clearly told us in the verse. And so God has told us that that this week is from the cross (after 62 weeks when Messiah is cut off), and goes all the way from there, to the Consummation (the End of the World). So God was not talking about 7 years here! So what need is there to speculate? On several levels we see that it signifies the New Covenant week. In fact, the only reason anyone would speculate differently would be if they (you, too) didn't understand how sacrifice and offering ceases in the middle of the week since many people believe this refers to the 'literal' sacrifice of lambs in the literal temple, and so they are confused by a New Covenant week, with sacrifice ceasing, after the cross.
NO where in Scripture that taught this exactly! 3.5 years through HIS FLESH and then 3.5 years by His spirit? How Absurd!

It's very plain to see and know by the Holy Spirit's teaching. In the "midst" of the week (7 years), the sacrificing of animals was immediately superceded by the sacrifice of Christ and the shedding of His blood.
On that Day, in God's mind the sacrificing of animals was no longer necessary or required for the forgiveness of sins. The Temple process was ceased. Unfortunately, the Jews kept on doing it for 40+/- years later.

Huh?! No way that is not what Bible says! By the way, when did the 3.5 years by his spirit start and end in your doctrine then? What happened in 3.5 years after the Cross when Christ shed His blood?

"BC time" ended when Jesus was Crucified/Resurrected, then the recording of time continued in "AD. Time" ever since then.
The ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus, in the flesh was a joint ministry for 3.5 years. John (6 mos.) and Jesus, from His baptism (3 years). Zech 4:14.

After Jesus resurrection and ascension, Jesus continued confirming the NC to the early church. The words of the Apostles are inspired and delivered through them by the Spirit of Christ for 3.5 years after Pentecost.
The 70th week came to an end in 3 years and six months, aka 3.5 AD

 

[Super Kal]

Today however, since many churches have gravitated towards believing that the 7 years of the 70th week were "cut off", and then attached it to "end times", I find no justification for it whatsoever.

So... those were taught by the Apostles and the students of the Apostles have no meaning to you, then?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Study Dan. 9:24. God was "determined" to accomplish six things within 70 weeks [490 years].
What are those six things that He was determined to DO?

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Actually, 7 things that God determined:

1. Who are "Thy People and upon thy holy city?"
2. How is it determined to "finish (restrain) the transgression?"
3. What is the, "make an end" (sealing up) of Sins?
4. What is the, "making reconciliation" for iniquity?
5. How is this "Everlasting Righteousness" brought in?
6. Why is it determined to "Seal up the vision and the prophet?"
7. What is the "Anointing of the Most Holy?"

So then, we have seen in Daniel 9:24 that "all" these things were determined to happen to Israel, more specifically True Covenant Israel. It was determined by God that the transgression would be withheld or restrained, and that sin would be brought to an end or sealed up, that reconciliation for iniquity would be made to bring in everlasting righteousness, that there would be the sealing up of the vision and the prophet in Israel, and finally, that there would be the anointing of the Hallowed Holy. All this we read was determined to happen in these 70 weeks. And we have seen how all this relates to the Messiah's appearing and was fulfilled. Let's now look at the next passage to see how this all ties into the timing of this prophecy.

Daniel 9:25

• Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build again Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

The words, 'know therefore' tie the preceding verses with these verses. It's just as if I were to say, 'The skies are cloudy, know therefore that there may be rain.' The first part of the sentence is intimately related to the second part. Likewise, 'know therefore' shows that the preceding verses are intimately related to the following verses. And we'll see that as we go along.

We can also notice something peculiar in this verse. Namely, God has separated the seven weeks (sevens), from the sixty-two weeks. God could have very easily said sixty-nine weeks, but He didn't! This should give us all a reason for pause, since we know that God does nothing without a purpose. I am amazed at the number of people doing a study of Daniel chapter 9 who just pass over this obvious division as if it doesn't even exist. Like you, they just add the two periods together, never giving it a second thought. That is not careful, nor sound exegesis. God did NOT separate these just to add more words, nor to have us ignore it. He DID it for a REASON, and it's our job to study the scriptures diligently to find out why.

From the language of verse 25, the 7 weeks come first, and then the 62 weeks follow. That's not a division that I made, that's a division that God Himself made. We should 'not' ignore it! Actually the 70 weeks are broken down into 3 periods by God:

1.) 7 weeks
2.) 62 Weeks
3.) Final week that the Covenant is confirmed.

We should not lose sight of that 'Fact,' because it's very important!

Surely, you do agree that Messiah was cut off AFTER 62 weeks. Even after the 69th!!

Whoa. Be careful what you say. Please read my statement above. God did not say after 69th week.

You do know, that God the Father purposely intended to keep the actual date of His Son's first appearance, a SECRET? 1 Cor. 2:7-8.

Okay... and?

It's very plain to see and know by the Holy Spirit's teaching. In the "midst" of the week (7 years), the sacrificing of animals was immediately superceded by the sacrifice of Christ and the shedding of His blood.
On that Day, In God's mind the sacrificing of animals was no longer necessary or required for the forgiveness of sins. The Temple process was ceased. Unfortunately, the Jews kept on doing it for 40+/- years later.

...The words of the Apostles are inspired and delivered through them by the Spirit of Christ for 3.5 years after Pentecost.

The problem is that you got the sacrifice and the obligation part wrong. This has nothing to do with the physical sacrifice of animals in Jerusalem. Let me explain some more...

Note the number 7 question, "What is the "Anointing of the Most Holy?"

The question now becomes, does this bring us to the year of the coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST? (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince?). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

This is why John said that now he had to decrease, while Christ increased. This is why Jesus said, 'the TIME is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand.' This is the acceptable year, this is the time of His anointing. This is when Jesus went to the Temple, opened up the book of Isaiah, and read:

Luke 4:18-21

• "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath Anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
  
  
• to preach the Acceptable Year of the Lord.
  
  
• and He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on Him.
  
  
• and He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture Fulfilled in your ears."

Is this the acceptable Year? That's what the scriptures tell us! Not only is it confirmed by Christ Himself that this is the acceptable year, Jesus goes a step further and tells us plainly, "This DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." In other words, that prophecy of the coming of Messiah the Prince was talking about THIS YEAR, THIS TIME! And Jesus went out and was ANOINTED by the Holy Spirit. This was the year of the official anointing of the Messiah. John had prepared the way, and Jesus came after (John 1:30), to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And He preaches for 3 and 1/2 years, and was crucified in 33 A.D.

Malachi 3:1

• "Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the MESSENGER of The COVENANT, whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come, saith the LORD."

Clearly, the prophesy of His coming is after John the Baptist prepares the way. And the year of His coming, the year when John decreased and He increased, the year John baptized Him, the year when He was anointed, the year when the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove and God spoke saying, This is My beloved, the year He took on His office had come, this year was 29 A.D. And so we see a direct path from the 7 weeks Jubile year, and 62 weeks, to the coming of the Messiah. The Scriptures bear this out consistently. From the word to build again Jerusalem to Messiah the Prince, is a Jubile year (7 x 7 weeks) plus 434 years. Understanding this, we can comprehend why this, 'from' the word to restore Jerusalem is 7 sevens, and then 62 sevens, and not just written as "69 sevens". And the verse further informs us by stating that we are to know and understand or consider wisely. When God uses language like that (as in Matthew 24:15, and Revelation 13:18), He is alerting us that it's not easily understood. This understanding, this wisdom to know, comes 'only' with careful study and comparisons of the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit of Truth working within each true Believer revealing truth..

Make sure not to get confused with the Baptism of Christ with the Confirmation of the Covenant. They are not speaking about the same thing. The baptism of Christ is about Christ to start His Office before He dies. Remember in Hebrew 9 that stated that the covenant cannot be confirmed until one has to die first which Jesus did in 33AD. That was when the covenant was confirmed to start a covenant week that spans much longer than your suggestion that the whole 70 weeks of Daniel 9 will end 3.5 years after Pentecost.

 

[Earburner]

Actually, 7 things that God determined:

1. Who are "Thy People and upon thy holy city?"
2. How is it determined to "finish (restrain) the transgression?"
3. What is the, "make an end" (sealing up) of Sins?
4. What is the, "making reconciliation" for iniquity?
5. How is this "Everlasting Righteousness" brought in?
6. Why is it determined to "Seal up the vision and the prophet?"
7. What is the "Anointing of the Most Holy?"

So then, we have seen in Daniel 9:24 that "all" these things were determined to happen to Israel, more specifically True Covenant Israel. It was determined by God that the transgression would be withheld or restrained, and that sin would be brought to an end or sealed up, that reconciliation for iniquity would be made to bring in everlasting righteousness, that there would be the sealing up of the vision and the prophet in Israel, and finally, that there would be the anointing of the Hallowed Holy. All this we read was determined to happen in these 70 weeks. And we have seen how all this relates to the Messiah's appearing and was fulfilled. Let's now look at the next passage to see how this all ties into the timing of this prophecy.

Daniel 9:25

• Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build again Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

The words, 'know therefore' tie the preceding verses with these verses. It's just as if I were to say, 'The skies are cloudy, know therefore that there may be rain.' The first part of the sentence is intimately related to the second part. Likewise, 'know therefore' shows that the preceding verses are intimately related to the following verses. And we'll see that as we go along.

We can also notice something peculiar in this verse. Namely, God has separated the seven weeks (sevens), from the sixty-two weeks. God could have very easily said sixty-nine weeks, but He didn't! This should give us all a reason for pause, since we know that God does nothing without a purpose. I am amazed at the number of people doing a study of Daniel chapter 9 who just pass over this obvious division as if it doesn't even exist. Like you, they just add the two periods together, never giving it a second thought. That is not careful, nor sound exegesis. God did NOT separate these just to add more words, nor to have us ignore it. He DID it for a REASON, and it's our job to study the scriptures diligently to find out why.

From the language of verse 25, the 7 weeks come first, and then the 62 weeks follow. That's not a division that I made, that's a division that God Himself made. We should 'not' ignore it! Actually the 70 weeks are broken down into 3 periods by God:

1.) 7 weeks
2.) 62 Weeks
3.) Final week that the Covenant is confirmed.

We should not lose sight of that 'Fact,' because it's very important!



Whoa. Be careful what you say. Please read my statement above. God did not say after 69th week.


Okay... and?



The problem is that you got the sacrifice and the obligation part wrong. This has nothing to do with the physical sacrifice of animals in Jerusalem. Let me explain some more...

Note the number 7 question, "What is the "Anointing of the Most Holy?"

The question now becomes, does this bring us to the year of the coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST? (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince?). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

This is why John said that now he had to decrease, while Christ increased. This is why Jesus said, 'the TIME is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand.' This is the acceptable year, this is the time of His anointing. This is when Jesus went to the Temple, opened up the book of Isaiah, and read:

Luke 4:18-21

• "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath Anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
  
  
• to preach the Acceptable Year of the Lord.
  
  
• and He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on Him.
  
  
• and He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture Fulfilled in your ears."

Is this the acceptable Year? That's what the scriptures tell us! Not only is it confirmed by Christ Himself that this is the acceptable year, Jesus goes a step further and tells us plainly, "This DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." In other words, that prophecy of the coming of Messiah the Prince was talking about THIS YEAR, THIS TIME! And Jesus went out and was ANOINTED by the Holy Spirit. This was the year of the official anointing of the Messiah. John had prepared the way, and Jesus came after (John 1:30), to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And He preaches for 3 and 1/2 years, and was crucified in 33 A.D.

Malachi 3:1

• "Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the MESSENGER of The COVENANT, whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come, saith the LORD."

Clearly, the prophesy of His coming is after John the Baptist prepares the way. And the year of His coming, the year when John decreased and He increased, the year John baptized Him, the year when He was anointed, the year when the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove and God spoke saying, This is My beloved, the year He took on His office had come, this year was 29 A.D. And so we see a direct path from the 7 weeks Jubile year, and 62 weeks, to the coming of the Messiah. The Scriptures bear this out consistently. From the word to build again Jerusalem to Messiah the Prince, is a Jubile year (7 x 7 weeks) plus 434 years. Understanding this, we can comprehend why this, 'from' the word to restore Jerusalem is 7 sevens, and then 62 sevens, and not just written as "69 sevens". And the verse further informs us by stating that we are to know and understand or consider wisely. When God uses language like that (as in Matthew 24:15, and Revelation 13:18), He is alerting us that it's not easily understood. This understanding, this wisdom to know, comes 'only' with careful study and comparisons of the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit of Truth working within each true Believer revealing truth..

Make sure not to get confused with the Baptism of Christ with the Confirmation of the Covenant. They are not speaking about the same thing. The baptism of Christ is about Christ to start His Office before He dies. Remember in Hebrew 9 that stated that the covenant cannot be confirmed until one has to die first which Jesus did in 33AD. That was when the covenant was confirmed to start a covenant week that spans much longer than your suggestion that the whole 70 weeks of Daniel 9 will end 3.5 years after Pentecost.

Sorry that you wrote a book. My reply is in the post below:

 

[Earburner]

The baptism of Christ was when He was anointed (Zech. 4:14) by the the Holy Spirit of God the Father Himself (He enjoined Him). That was the beginning of the 70th week, being that of His fleshly ministry, until in the midst of that week, He was "cut off (crucified), but not for Himself".

After His crucifixion (mortal death), Jesus continued His ministry by His Eternal Holy Spirit to the early church, still confirming the NC for the remainder of the 3.5 years.

As the first 3.5 years were literal, so also were the latter 3.5 years literal, which is what is meant by "to seal up the vision and prophecy" in Dan. 9:24.

All of The 70th week was fulfilled by Jesus, along with all of the six works of God, as was "determined" by God, and is described in Dan. 9:24.

In Dan. 9:27 was the final work of God, for our salvation, which was the pouring out of what was "determined" (in vs. 24), by Him upon the desolate (those who were void of God), which was the Gift of the Holy Spirit made available to all, who are of faith in Christ.
[27] And he shall confirm the [New] covenant with many FOR ONE week : and in the midst of the [one] week he [Jesus] shall cause the [temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations [the continuance of animal sacrifices] he [Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that "determined" [vs. 24] shall be poured upon the desolate
[those who are void of God].

Again, that fulfillment was on Pentecost, 50 days later after Jesus Ascended into Heaven. The Holy Spirit is NOW freely available to ALL for the ASKING, through faith in Christ's shed blood, for the REMOVAL of sins.
Acts 10
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out ["upon the desolate"] the gift of the Holy Ghost.

As Jesus said, while mortally DIEING on the cross: "It is FINISHED". See also: John 17
[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Dan. 9:24.

Now you know WHAT work was "FINISHED", the 70th week, of which was in 3.5 AD., the end of Jesus' work of confirming the New Covenant.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The baptism of Christ was when He was anointed (Zech. 4:14) by the the Holy Spirit of God the Father Himself (He enjoined Him). That was the beginning of the 70th week, being that of His fleshly ministry, until in the midst of that week, He was "cut off (crucified), but not for Himself".

This is in error. No OT prophet said Messiah would come when he got baptized. In fact, Jesus said over and over "it is not my time yet" Because he know when the time would come, and when it came, he sent them off to get what he needed, and he entered jersualem on a donkey, just like the OT prophet said he would..

After His crucifixion (mortal death), Jesus continued His ministry by His Eternal Holy Spirit to the early church, still confirming the NC for the remainder of the 3.5 years.

As the first 3.5 years were literal, so also were the latter 3.5 years literal, which is what is meant by "to seal up the prophecy".

I agree it would be literal. But it starts with a prince confirming a covenant for 1 week (7 years) what covenant did Jesus confirm with many for 7 years?

All of The 70th week was fulfilled by Jesus, along with all of the six works of God, as was "determined" by God, and is described in Dan. 9:24.

In Dan. 9:27 was the final work of God, for our salvation, which was the pouring out of what was "determined" (in vs. 24), by Him upon the desolate (those who were void of God), which was the Gift of the Holy Spirit made available to all, who are of faith in Christ.
Again, that fulfillment was on Pentecost, 50 days later after Jesus Ascended into Heaven. The Holy Spirit is NOW freely available to ALL for the ASKING, through faith in Christ's shed blood, for the REMOVAL of sins.
Acts 10:45

As Jesus said, WHILE MORTALLY DIEING on the cross: "It is FINISHED". See also:
Now you know WHAT was FINISHED!

But this is not what Daniel 9 was about

1. It was about Jerusalem,
2. It was about Daniels people (Israel)
3. It was about the temple.

Israel is still in sin
the temple is still left desolate
the city is still left desolate.

non of the things in vs 24 have been accomplished withe exception of maybe one, and that depends on what context you put it in.

 

[Douggg]

None of the arguments, I have been reading in this thread regarding the 70th week address the vision in Daniel 9:21, 22, 23, 24.

That vision is of the time of the end vision in Daniel 8 of the little horn's activities which is 2300 days - requiring the full 70th week to be completed in the time of the the end.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Sorry that you wrote a book. My reply is in the post below:

You do not need to quote ALL of my lengthy post to make room for yours. You can just clip one sentence out of my post then you can go ahead and post yours.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The baptism of Christ was when He was anointed (Zech. 4:14) by the the Holy Spirit of God the Father Himself (He enjoined Him).

First, Zechariah 4:14 has nothing to do with the baptism of Christ. Oddly that you are as confused as Phoneman777 that I recently deal with. Zechariah 4 is talking about two branches and a candlestick representing God's people being anointed ones.

Second, Christ being baptized in the Jordan River was NOT a confirmation of a final week of Daniel.

That was the beginning of the 70th week, being that of His fleshly ministry, until in the midst of that week, He was "cut off (crucified), but not for Himself".

No, the final week of Daniel did not start with the baptism of Christ, nor his ministry. It was His Death at the Cross.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The confirmation of the covenant takes place after Messiah be cut off when His people came against him. How can you have a baptism occur AFTER Messiah be cut off? You do not make any sense.

After His crucifixion (mortal death), Jesus continued His ministry by His Eternal Holy Spirit to the early church, still confirming the NC for the remainder of the 3.5 years.

False. The confirmation was made the moment Christ died. Didn't you read Hebrew 9 at all?
Heb 9:15-18
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
(18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

The covenant (also known as Testament) was not confirmed or strengthened until Christ died, not when he was baptized! The confirmation of a covenant was not process that took 3.5 years which is absurd.

As the first 3.5 years were literal, so also were the latter 3.5 years literal, which is what is meant by "to seal up the vision and prophecy" in Dan. 9:24.

Again, you got the timing all wrong. You are fixated on 3.5 being "literal years" thinking the final covenant week is a literal 7 years. This is not what God see that way!

We have seen in this verse God talk about the blessings to come upon Israel, and now He is talking about the curse. To seal up (close up) the vision and the Prophet means to shut up their understanding, a judgement of God upon the people. It's the same word we saw earlier translated 'make an end' of sins. It means that the vision and the prophets of Israel have come to an end. For example, when talking about the stumbling stone, the rock of offense (Which is their Messiah), Isaiah's prophesy reads:

Isaiah 8:14-16

• "And He shall be for a Sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence to both the house of Israel, for a gin and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
• And many among them shall stumble and be snared, and be taken.
• bind up the testimony, Seal the law among My Disciples."

That is the language of God's mercy, but it is also language illustrating His judgement upon His people at the coming of Messiah. Note carefully the two distinctions. He (Christ) is a Sanctuary for some "but" it says He is also a stone of stumbling for others. God says, "bind up the testimony." That plainly means that the testimony of God is closed up to them. And God continues saying, "Seal the law among the disciples." That means they (his people) will not have understanding. The understanding of the law (word of God) will be sealed shut to them. The Messiah will be a stumbling stone to them instead of a foundation stone. We can get a better understanding of this in the prophecy of Isaiah chapter 29:

Isaiah 29:10

• "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of Deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath He covered."

Cross reference this to where Paul, speaking of this judgement upon Israel, declares:

Romans 11:8

• "According as it is written, God hath given them the Spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day."

So, comparing scripture with scripture, we can see what God means by the phrase, "sealing up the vision and the Prophet." It is His judgement upon Old Testament Israel that they would not see, which took place at the time of the cross. Spiritual blindness (sealing shut as far as the word of God is concerned) is happened to Israel! That is exactly what we have read in Isaiah Chapter 29, verse 10. And verse 11 continues in that same vein making it even clearer.

Isaiah 29:11

• "And the Vision of all is become unto you as the words of a letter that is Sealed, which when men deliver to one that is learned, saying read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed."

This is the vision that is sealed in Israel. And this is the prophet that is sealed in Israel. It signifies their inability to see spiritually and their inability to understand the prophecy. This is what God has determined should come upon Israel in these 70 weeks of Daniel chapter 9.

Selah!

(Now my response to the rest of your post continue on next post due to space)