Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple
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Dougg, I would like to offer an alternative interpretation:
1) The AOD or the "abomination that CAUSES desolation," is the cross. It is the most "abominable"act that mankind could ever inflict against their God... Nothing could compare to this! The destruction of the Temple, the Sanctuary, His people, etc., could not begin to rise to the level of an "abomination that causes desolation." That was already done by the Babylonians. But God would restore His people and His city in time for His coming. He would allow the Babylonians to completely destory everything knowing that He would restore everything in His perfect plan of restoration. And the most important part of that "restoration process" was His arrrival on earth. But He knew they would reject and crucify Him... this too was in His plan of salvation. But He would punish His people for their transgressions by "making desolate" His people from Him for the next 2000 years - time of the Gentiles.
2) So, what is the definition of the AOD - it is the cross which took place exactly 3.5 years after He began His ministry in the final week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy. It was at this time (cross) that the Messiah would take away the sacrifices and the offerings - they were no longer necessary due to His perfect sacrifice. Consequently, the time of the cross is the one end of this time prophecy / element.
3) Now, what is the "set up" of the AOD? This is the other side of the calculation for the 1290 days? It is the first day of His ministry when He would not only be baptized in the Jordan but also anointed by His Father.
4) So we have the beginning time element and the ending time element to calculate this time period of 1290 days. From the first day of His ministry to the day of the cross, would be exactly 1260 days (3.5 years @ 360 days). This was the total time of His ministry on a prophetic understanding. However, there is one more step to complete to bring this calculation to its end. Here is a cut / past from my Chapter 12 commentary that speaks directly to the 1290 day calculation:
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Verse 11 represents two separate timed events: the period between when the daily sacrifice was taken away and the setting up of the abomination of desolation. These two events are referenced in Chapter 9. The "abomination of desolation" signifies the crucifixion of the Messiah in the middle of the final week, which equates to 3.5 years of the last seven-year period. The "setting up" of the abomination of desolation begins on the first day of His ministry, marked by His baptism in the Jordan River.
Daniel’s seventy-weeks-of-years prophecy is given in years, with the last week representing seven years. Using 360 days for each prophetic year, the period from the first day of the seventieth week to His crucifixion is 3.5 years or 1,260 days (3.5 years x 360 days per year). However, an adjustment is necessary to account for the Jewish calendar's reconciliation of the solar and lunar calendars, ensuring the spring feast days occur in the spring. Over a nineteen-year cycle, the calendar is adjusted seven times in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19, adding a 30 day adjustment to that year. During any three-year period within this cycle, there must be at least one 30-day adjustment.
Thus, the 1,260-day span between the "set up of the abomination" and the crucifixion includes an additional 30 days, totaling 1,290 days. This adjustment is crucial because it aligns with the prophecy’s timeline and helps us understand the timing of His second coming.
Dougg, this is why the definition of the AOD represents the cross and not some unimportant destruction of a supposedly rebuilt Temple, etc. Daniel is really all about Him... not some boogeyman coming some 2000 years in the future..... That was ALL started by Father Ribera of the Jesuits in the 16th century and was commissioned by the little horn (papacy).
Now, if you accept this calculation, it should be very easy to calculate the 1335 days prophecy... God has purposely given us the formula for His first coming and we should use that same formula for His second coming ---- it is all about HIM.
Why do you say that? If His sacrifice on the cross fulfilled any further need for animal sacrifices and offerings and the purpose of the Temple and the Sanctuary and the first 4 feast days were fulfilled by the Messiah, why would you think it will happen again? And that is the point I tried to make - it does not matter what the unbelievers in the Messiah do or not do.... they can rebuilt the Temple, the Sanctuary and if they wanted to, they could construct it out of pizza dough... who cares.... Jesus has already fulfilled His God given mission and those physical elements were also "done away" with at the time of the cross. They are no longer of any importance....
The abomination is the rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah. Nothing could be more horrific / abominable / unbelieveably evil, etc. By their unbelief and crucifying Him, God would "make desolate" His relationship with His people for the next 2000 years (time of the Gentiles).
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I agree with you, but I am saying these things did happen at the time of the Messiah.. I believe you and others may be saying they WILL happen... that is the difference, I believe.
Why do you say that and can you really disagree that their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah is not CAUSE for Him to "make desolate" His relationship with them until the times of the Gentiles is completed?
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No man made temple, at any time, is going to be built or rebuilt!!
You are not hearing Dan. 9:27.
And he [Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he [Jesus] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that "determined" [vs. 24] shall be poured upon the desolate [those who are void of God].
See Acts 10:45.
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Yes, that is correct because the abomination of desolation was prefigured by what Antiochus IV had done did by placing a statue of Zeus in the temple.
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
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This is a direct rejection of many Prophesies.
Jesus will Return to and rule from a new Temple, built by the Christian peoples, as per Ezekiel 40 to 46 and offerings will be made in it; Isaiah 56:6-7, Jeremiah 33:18, +
Obviously there will be a new Temple for the Anti-Christ to take it over and sit in it; 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27
In Matthew 24:15, Jesus said...
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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In the kjv bible, "abomination of desolation" is found in two places...
Matthew 24:15
Mark 13:14
"abomination that maketh desolate" is found in two places...
Daniel 11:31
Daniel 12:11
"transgression of desolation" is found in one place...
Daniel 8:13
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I don't agree. There is no antichrist figure... there is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.... But the Temple, the Sanctuary, the sacrifices and offerings were done away with by the Messiah. The "rejection of many prophesises" is a rejection of their interpretatons only... Most of Daniel has been thrown some 2000 years in the future and have been tied to some verses in Revelation or other passages. But most of Daniel belongs at the time of the Messiah - it does cover the period from 606 BC to the end of time, but the focus is largely on the 70 weeks of years prophecy from 457 BC to 33/34 AD... and most importantly, the last week of the prophecy when the Messiah arrives on the first day of the last week and is crucified "in the midst of the week."
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Though not many have figured this out, ALL the unsaved ARE the potential Temples of God!! Unfortunately satan and his fallen angels ARE SITTING IN those would be temples of God.
Re-read the synopsis of the parable of "The strong man", and He who is the Stronger,
in conjunction with the man's issue of "his house [temple body]" being cleansed, but became worse off for it, thus having many of the demons to return, taking up residence within him. Mat. 12:43-45.
Why? He neglected the words of Rev. 3:20 about He who is the Stronger.
Edit: There are many professing christians in that dire situation. They have received the forgiveness and the removal of their sins through faith in Christ, BUT.....they NEGLECT to personally INVITE/ASK for Him [His Holy Spirit] to come into their life!!
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Dougg, it would not be wise of me to comment on Chapter 11 and this time since it is easily the most difficult chapter in the Bible - my opinion, and today's accepted interpretations of Chapter 11, even though no one has been able to interpret many of the verses in Chapter 11 and have left them unaddressed, has nothing to do with AE or the Ptolemy's or the Seluecid's, Cleapatra, etc., They are not found anywhere in Daniel and have nothing to do with God's plan of salvation. But, it is too much to bring it in here at this time when we really cannot get through 9:24-27.... which, in my opinion, compared to Chapter 11 is a piece of cake. Chapter 11 is brutal!!!!!
Hey Dougg, earlier I provided you with a very detailed response regarding my interpretation of the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy... I have not heard from you about this ... would you mind sharing your thoughts? Thanks.
What I think is the Matthew 24:15 abomination of desolation standing in a holy place - is the abomination of desolation "set up" in Daniel 12:11, at the time of the end. "set up" is in the text of Daniel 12:11.
"standing" because it will be a statue image of the beast-king in a standing position.
The statue image will be made at the instruction of the false prophet in Revelation 13:14. It will be placed on the temple mount, out in the open where it will be clearly visible from different parts of Jerusalem.
When it is set up on the temple mount - that event triggers the beginning of the great tribulation. The great tribulation will then last for the next 1335 days, to end on the day that Jesus Returns. The 1335 days is from Daniel 12:12.
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later, after being set up on the temple mount, Satan will be cast down to earth - having only a time/times/half time left (Revelation 12:12-14)
Once cast down to earth (from the second heaven), Satan will indwell the statue image - making it appear to come alive and speak. The false prophet will take credit as doing a miracle that brings the statue to life. Revelation 13:15.
Anyone who worships the statue image will thus be unknowingly worshiping Satan - which is certainly an abomination.
The abomination of desolation is decisively identified in Luke 21:20, the synoptic counterpart to Matthew 24:15, as the armies (Roman) which desolated Jerusalem.
For those willing to allow inspired Scripture to interpret inspired Scripture.
For those willing to allow inspired Scripture to interpret inspired Scripture.
The above quote from your post #142.
Why are you trying to integrate the 2300 days associated with the little horn person's activities - as being associated with Jesus instead ?
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