What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

[tailgator]

Just who do you think the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit is? It’s Satan.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

- Revelation 12:9 (KJV)

No,it's not Satan that attacks and burns the prostitute.
The 8th king is one of the seven..

 

[tailgator]

Oh my! You have never studied the Bible, have you.

I sure have.Jesus does not tell people to kill and torment other people.That is your gospel .Not Jesus,'s.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus said his disciples are his mother so no,it's not Jerusalem.But it could be the church.

Yes, it is the church. That is what heavenly Jerusalem represents.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[tailgator]

Why is it,the servants of Jesus Christ can not tell the difference between good and evil,?
Is it a power thing where they feel.powerful by smiting their fellow servants?



Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[tailgator]

Yes, it is the church. That is what heavenly Jerusalem represents.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

So,the church could flee out of Herods kingdom.for 1260 days while the mark of the beast is being distributed throughout Herods kingdom.

 

[Freedm]

Because I understand what causes the heavens to depart from the earth like a scroll being rolled together.
The Romans did not have the power to do such things as are exhibited in the war of armegeddon which is about the kings of the east.

The romans did not have to do such things, because such things are not literal. Just like the Lord coming on a cloud with darkness under his feet is not literal. It's symbolic language meant to convey imagery. The Bible is full of this kind of language. Once you start to see patterns, it becomes easy to recognize.

This kind of language typically refers to God's anger, God's judgment or God's glory. Think about it. As a writer, it's a lot more fun to say "Smoke went up out of His nostrils, fire from His mouth devoured; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down with thick darkness under His feet." than it is to say "God was angry".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why is Jesus called the lamb? Why is Saul called Paul? Why is Simon called Peter? Why is Sarai called Sarah? Why is Jacob called Israel? Why is John the baptist called Elijah? Because God gives descriptive and symbolic names. (which is why all the angel names end in "el" which means of God).

These questions are irrelevant and show that you are missing the point. What is mysterious about Babylon in the book of Revelation? If it's a literal city like Jerusalem then there's nothing mysterious about it. That would be too obvious since it's called the great city. But, the reality is that it's neither a literal woman nor a literal earthly city. It is the direct spiritual opposite of the holy city, New Jerusalem. It is the mother of ALL harlots (Rev 17:5) of which Jerusalem was one. So were Sodom and Egypt which is why the great city is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt (Rev 11:8).

Jerusalem was Jerusalem when she was the bride of Christ. When she strayed away from God, she was referred to as Babylon, because the word Babylon means decadence, corruption and confusion. This does not apply to new Jerusalem, obviously, as the new Jerusalem is the new bride.

Are you somehow thinking that I said Mystery Babylon is New Jerusalem? I certainly did not. I'm saying it is the direct spiritual opposite of the new Jerusalem. The new heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of us all (Gal 4:26 - mother of all believers) while Mystery Babylon is the mother of all unbelievers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I sure have.Jesus does not tell people to kill and torment other people.That is your gospel .Not Jesus,'s.

The two witnesses do exactly what they are told to do and there's nothing to indicate otherwise. But, it's all symbolic text. It's not talking about fire literally coming out of their mouths and such. LOL! Come on. Why are you interpreting all of that literally? The fire coming out of their mouths symbolically represents the church preaching the gospel which condemns anyone who doesn't believe it to the lake of fire.

 

[honeycomb]

No,it's not Satan that attacks and burns the prostitute.
The 8th king is one of the seven..

The 8th king is Satan.

Who is the son of perdition?

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

- Revelation 17:9-11 (KJV)

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

 

[Freedm]

These questions are irrelevant and show that you are missing the point. What is mysterious about Babylon in the book of Revelation? If it's a literal city like Jerusalem then there's nothing mysterious about it. That would be too obvious since it's called the great city. But, the reality is that it's neither a literal woman nor a literal earthly city. It is the direct spiritual opposite of the holy city, New Jerusalem. It is the mother of ALL harlots (Rev 17:5) of which Jerusalem was one. So were Sodom and Egypt which is why the great city is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt (Rev 11:8).


Are you somehow thinking that I said Mystery Babylon is New Jerusalem? I certainly did not. I'm saying it is the direct spiritual opposite of the new Jerusalem. The new heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of us all (Gal 4:26 - mother of all believers) while Mystery Babylon is the mother of all unbelievers.

I don't think I missed the point. I also don't think Babylon and Jerusalem are literal cities. They are names to given to groups of people. A city is, after all, its people. So the original Jerusalem (which was the group of people we also know as Israelites) turned away from God and became known as Babylon. The new Jerusalem replaces the old, since the old is no longer any good. The new Jerusalem is all believers.

I think we kind of agree, but maybe we're missing each other on some of the details. I guess you could say Babylon is the direct spiritual opposite of new Jerusalem, in the sense that one group is righteous and the other is not, but I'm not sure why you say Jerusalem is not the mother of all harlots. Why do you say Jerusalem was one of the harlots? Why can't she be the mother?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't think I missed the point.

I know you did. Do you not think I know what point I was making since, you know, I was making it? Your response indicates that you missed my point.

I also don't think Babylon and Jerusalem are literal cities. They are names to given to groups of people. A city is, after all, its people. So the original Jerusalem (which was the group of people we also know as Israelites) turned away from God and became known as Babylon.

LOL. First, you deny that it's talking about an earthly city and then you proceed to indicate that it's talking about the ancient earthly city of Jerusalem. Come on. Of course, the city is comprised of its people, but you're still referring to the earthly city of Jerusalem there.

The new Jerusalem replaces the old, since the old is no longer any good. The new Jerusalem is all believers.

I think we kind of agree, but maybe we're missing each other on some of the details.

How are we agreeing exactly? Are you not claiming that Mystery Babylon refers to ancient Jerusalem, or at least the people who lived there during that time long ago?

I guess you could say Babylon is the direct spiritual opposite of new Jerusalem, in the sense that one group is righteous and the other is not, but I'm not sure why you say Jerusalem is not the mother of all harlots. Why do you say Jerusalem was one of the harlots? Why can't she be the mother?

Because it says the great city is also spiritually called "Sodom and Egypt" (Rev 11:8). Those are two more harlots of which Mystery Babylon is the mother. Earthly Babylon is another. Is Jerusalem the mother of Sodom or Egypt or Babylon? No. Jerusalem is just one of the harlots of which Mystery Babylon is the mother. How can you think that earthly Jerusalem is the mother of all harlots? I would consider all false religions, cults and world philosophies to be among the harlots who have Mystery Babylon as their mother and that doesn't describe Jerusalem.

 

[tailgator]

The 8th king is Satan.

Who is the son of perdition?

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

- Revelation 17:9-11 (KJV)

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

The son of perdition is not the 8th king.
The son of perdition is king of the north whos armed forces comes from the north west by a great fleet of ships.

It is the king of the Medes who attacks Babylon and kills the two witnesses in Babylon.
Iran.


If you know anything about the Medes you would know by their religion that they are to attack the dajalls armed forces after a three year drought which is when Babylon is attacked and the two witnesses killed
They are also instructed In their religion to kill all Jews at that time.

 

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[ScottA]

According to revelation ,the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall bring the prostitute to ruin and burn her with fire.At the same time ,they kill the two witnessss of Jesus .


Revelation 17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Now we understand this takes place at the same time because of the great earthquake which hits Jerusalem when the cloud ascends from Jerusalem.

Revelation 11
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 16:18-19
And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.


Moreover ,the reason God gives Babylon the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath is because babylon worships the beast that came out of the sea,it's image and receives it mark.

Revelation 14
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.




So the question is,What are they who come in Jesus name ,doing in Babylon to begin with with?

The answer is,
They come in Jesus name and decieve the people in Jerusalem to receive the mark of the beast.


Jesus spoke of the coming of the two witnesses and their army at the beginning of his Olivet discourse.



Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.



Not everyone who comes in Jesus name speak the truth ,and not everyone who say they are in Christ are .The two prophets in revelation 11 and their army will decieve the people in Israel and they will receive the mark of the beast.That is what the two witnesses who come in Jesus name are doing with the prostitute.

Oh, this is soooo far off! -- Such a disservice!

Where to begin?!

God has spoken in parables and revealed by image...as intentional stumbling blocks to those who would look outwardly, rather than inward--things that must be discerned spiritually, rather than worldly. This was the dragnet, and the world was captivated by its beauty, believing what each imagined...many receiving the mark of the beast.

Fortunately, God has also simplified it, saying, "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death (Revelation 12:11).

In other words, the two witnesses are the descendants who make up the one man Adam, those who believed and gave witness before the coming of Christ, and also those after. Which are the two that become One in Christ under One Sheppard. Which are also those born of the flesh and those born of the spirit--the flesh gives witness, as does the spirit; the Jew first, and also the gentiles; however, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

As for spiritually discerning such fanciful revelations--would it also be right then to believe that Christ was born a baby sheep? Of course not, but “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:47-50).

 

[tailgator]

The 8th king is Satan.

Who is the son of perdition?

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

- Revelation 17:9-11 (KJV)

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

The son of perfection is not the 8th king.
The son of perdition is king of the north whos armed forces comes from the north west by a great fleet of shops.

It is the king of the Medes who attacks Babylon and kills the two witnesses i

 

[tailgator]

Oh, this is soooo far off! -- Such a disservice!

Where to begin?!

God has spoken in parables and revealed by image...as intentional stumbling blocks to those who would look outwardly, rather than inward--things that must be discerned spiritually, rather than worldly. This was the dragnet, and the world was captivated by its beauty, believing what each imagined...many receiving the mark of the beast.

Fortunately, God has also simplified it, saying, "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death (Revelation 12:11).

In other words, the two witnesses are the descendants who make up the one man Adam, those who believed and gave witness before the coming of Christ, and also those after. Which are the two that become One in Christ under One Sheppard. Which are also those born of the flesh and those born of the spirit--the flesh gives witness, as does the spirit; the Jew first, and also the gentiles; however, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

As for spiritually discerning such fanciful revelations--it is also right then to believe that Christ was born a baby sheep? Of course not, but “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:47-50).

You don't believe nothing revelations says do you?

Jesus says these are my two witnesses and you say no,it's just one person.

 

[ScottA]

You don't believe nothing revelations says do you?

Jesus says these are my two witnesses and you say no,it's just one person.

I said nothing of the sort, and you have assumed in error against what I actually did say.

 

[tailgator]

The romans did not have to do such things, because such things are not literal. Just like the Lord coming on a cloud with darkness under his feet is not literal. It's symbolic language meant to convey imagery. The Bible is full of this kind of language. Once you start to see patterns, it becomes easy to recognize.

This kind of language typically refers to God's anger, God's judgment or God's glory. Think about it. As a writer, it's a lot more fun to say "Smoke went up out of His nostrils, fire from His mouth devoured; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down with thick darkness under His feet." than it is to say "God was angry".

So you don't believe Jesus ascended into heaven and you don't believe Jesus comes as he left?

You believe that is just spiritual talk that is not real?

 

[tailgator]

I said nothing of the sort, and you have assumed in error against what I actually did say.

In the meantime,the two witnesses torment people and kill people in Jesus name.

You believe christians are supposed to torment people for Jesus?


If you believe that is becoming one then how many people have you killed?

 

[tailgator]

Why do so many "christians" teach that it is good to kill and torment other people?

Jesus did not command anyone to do that for him.

Jesus tells his witnesses to preach the gospel but some people preach his witnesses are supposed to kill people .

It's ridiculous.