OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[GodsGrace]

I am going to stop you right there--because I have. And if you too had ascended to the Father, you would not speak to me this way.

As for Summer School, it is for those who are bored or have some catching up to do.

Hmmmm.
Easy get-away.

Difficult to reply to Jesus, isn't it?

Just remember that HE makes the rules...
not me.

And HOW am I speaking to you?
YOU are the one that insulted me and continue to do so.

So, maybe you could get serious and reply to my post to you which included
the teachings of JESUS,,,,IN HIS WORDS.

 

[RedFan]

But your first question is based on the lie that God failed to punish sinners (those who believe in Christ). Don't you even know the basic facts about the work of Christ on the cross.

Christ took my sin and became sin for my sake, so the Father whipped Him and killed Him, because He saw my sin in His Son. So it's a lie to say that God failed to punish the sinners who believed in His Son. The sins of every single believer were imputed to Christ and He suffered unimaginable pain and torture and mockery, in order to pay for every single sin of His people.

So your accusation of God being a corrupt judge, is unjustified and the charge is false. The truth is Ihat god does punish every single sin, either Christ paid for your sin or you will pay for it in hell yourself.

God punishes every single sin, but not every single sinner. That's the distinction you are missing. WE weren't punished for our sins. CHRIST was punished for our sins. And that is not "justice" as the word is commonly understood by humans.

And I don 't accuse God of being a corrupt judge. I "accuse" Him of acting contrary to our human notions of justice.

 

[GodsGrace]

You are blurring the line between one following and one being saved. Both are not saved.

My dear man,,,,,
If someone is following Jesus...
He is saved.

If someone is FOLLOWING...
it means he is BELIEVING....

Maybe you should catch up on your Greek....?

 

[ScottA]

Hmmmm.
Easy get-away.

Difficult to reply to Jesus, isn't it?

Just remember that HE makes the rules...
not me.

And HOW am I speaking to you?
YOU are the one that insulted me and continue to do so.

So, maybe you could get serious and reply to my post to you which included
the teachings of JESUS,,,,IN HIS WORDS.

It is not I who needs to conform. But no, you have only quoted the parts of the teachings of Jesus that suit you.

 

[GracePeace]

Apparently you do not know how ridiculous that sounds.

Sooo--according to your beliefs--someone "in Christ" who has already ascended to be with and is therefore already One with the Father, can be "plucked out of His hand", and Jesus lied when He said "they shall never perish."

F-

...I hope you are in Summer School!

The unforgiving servant is an example of someone not abiding and therefore being disqualified for the life that is only in the Son.

 

[ScottA]

My dear man,,,,,
If someone is following Jesus...
He is saved.

If someone is FOLLOWING...
it means he is BELIEVING....

Maybe you should catch up on your Greek....?

This again is your stumbling block of error.

Did you not learn in the Greek that one who is born cannot return to the womb?

 

[GracePeace]

And there is your stumbling block.

There is no "ongoing basis", as if during times, in God. In God--and those "in Christ in God" there is only ongoing [everlasting] eternity.

How is it that you do not know that those who are in God, though they remain in the world, are not of the world? Your doctrine is lacking the full measure--and therefore, is false.

Branches receive substance on an ongoing basis--wherefore the term "abide" has been employed.

See how perfectly the two fit together?

 

[GracePeace]

one who is born cannot return to the womb?

Deut 32:5 they are no longer His children because of their defect

Hos 1 also proves being God's child isn't a static reality

I go with Scriptural precedent, not with natural logic (carnal reasoning).

 

[ScottA]

The unforgiving servant is an example of someone not abiding and therefore being disqualified for the life that is only in the Son.

No, but it shows rather that one whom Christ has paid the sin debt for, and does not do likewise--is not yet even saved.

 

[ScottA]

Deut 32:5 they are no longer His children because of their defect

Hos 1 also proves being God's child isn't a static reality

I go with Scriptural precedent, not with natural logic (carnal reasoning).

You are referring to the wrong fold. I was not.

 

[GracePeace]

No, but it shows rather that one whom Christ has paid the sin debt for, and does not do likewise--is not yet even saved.

It doesn't say Christ merely paid the sin debt, but that the servant had received the forgiveness, which is through faith, so we know he'd had faith. He was saved from wrath, having had his sins forgiven, then the forgiveness was rescinded, and he had to pay for his sins instead.

 

[GracePeace]

You are referring to the wrong fold. I was not.

1. What it proves is that being God's child is not unchangeable, as you are wanting to say, and following physical logic.
2. Everything that happened to them was written down for our instruction according to Paul (1 Co 10).

 

[ScottA]

Branches receive substance on an ongoing basis--wherefore the term "abide" has been employed.

See how perfectly the two fit together?

You are still looking at it all from a worldly perspective. What is "ongoing" in the world is not of the kingdom of God, but of the world.

To the contrary, what is of the kingdom is "everlasting."

Why do you persist at mixing darkness with light? (Rhetorical)

 

[GodsGrace]

It is not I who needs to conform. But no, you have only quoted the parts of the teachings of Jesus that suit you.

Well,
Quote those that suit you.

You won't find any.

So, you accept SOME of Jesus' teachings ,
But not all.

Interesting.

 

[ScottA]

1. What it proves is that being God's child is not permanent, as you are wanting to say, and following physical logic.
2. Everything that happened to them was written down for our instruction according to Paul (1 Co 10).

You apparently speak of what you know. Therefore, you refer to what was as if it still is--because with you perhaps it still is. But I am being kind. Even so, you have defined your own status, and so you speak accordingly.

 

[GracePeace]

You are still looking at it all from a worldly perspective. What is "ongoing" in the world is not of the kingdom of God, but of the world.

To the contrary, what is of the kingdom is "everlasting."

Why do you persist at mixing darkness with light? (Rhetorical)

The King of the Kingdom used the image of a branch, and the word "abide", because He wanted us to come to the conclusion I have come to. Is Christ "carnal" or "spiritual"?

 

[ScottA]

Well,
Quote those that suit you.

You won't find any.

So, you accept SOME of Jesus' teachings ,
But not all.

Interesting.

I have already given you more than enough. Meanwhile, you project your own status in accusation. It would be better for you if you said nothing.

 

[GracePeace]

You apparently speak of what you know. Therefore, you refer to what was as if it still is--because with you perhaps it still is. But I am being kind. Even so, you have defined your own status, and so you speak accordingly.

So... no answer for Scripture. Got it.

 

[GodsGrace]

This again is your stumbling block of error.

Did you not learn in the Greek that one who is born cannot return to the womb

Just as I thought.
All opinion,
No substance.

Get personal when there's no response.

Have fun with your little kindergarten buddies.

 

[GracePeace]

You apparently speak of what you know. Therefore, you refer to what was as if it still is--because with you perhaps it still is. But I am being kind. Even so, you have defined your own status, and so you speak accordingly.

lol Guy, using a slightly old english manner of speaking is an embarrassing way of not making a substantive Biblical argument.

No matter how you dress your gobbledygook up, give it some "pizazz", it's still nothing but gobbledygook.