The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes the kingdom of God would come spiritually. But I believe because the nation of Israel had lost her sovereignty (and soon even the Land itself) the disciples were expecting that she would be restored as a sovereign self-governing nation at some point....but that is not the kingdom of heaven, just Israel after the flesh.

The disciples were mistaken about some things at that time which they later came to understand after receiving the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Jesus told them He would send them the Comforter (Holy Spirit) to teach them after His ascension.

I believe some of those prophecies are speaking to the church of the kingdom of God as well as on another level speaking to Israel after the flesh about the nation of Israel. God raises and lowers kingdoms as He wills, for His purposes...and Israel is no exception to this. But that is an earthly concern, entirely separate from the kingdom of God. Geo-political things are God's business, not the business of the church, which Jesus basically intimated in His answer to the disciples when He told them to just get on with the gospel and never mind the kingdom of Israel (the nation), as I understand it.

God doesn't have separate plans for the church and for Israel as dispensationalism teaches. That is made clear throughout the New Testament. As Paul said, Gentile believers are fellowheirs with Israelite believers of God's promises (Ephesians 3:1-6).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not into the games people play around here. Faux outrage, faux shock, Why, what kingdom could you possibly be talking about? What kingdom do you think? Games people play . . .

Much love!

Why not just answer the question? I don't know if you're talking about some other kingdom than the kingdom of God that we will inherit or what. Why not just make it clear as to what you're talking about? Why assume that I would know? I don't. Is it something you would call the kingdom of Israel that's separate from the kingdom of God? I'm not sure. That's why I asked.

 

[Lizbeth]

Israel according to the flesh is the physical descendants of Jacob, and the Israel of God is the Christian physical descendants of Jacob.

Acts 2:30 KJV
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Romans 1:3 KJV
3) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Romans 9:3-5 KJV
3) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

"after the flesh", "according to flesh", these are Paul's way of speaking of the physical lineage.

Romans 9 gives a delineation of who is Israel, the children of Abraham, but not all, only the children of Isaac, but not all, only the children of Jacob, but not all, only those who believe. This is the Spiritual Israel.

Israelite Christians no longer participated in the sacrifices.

Much love!

No, we believing Gentiles have been grafted into the same tree as unnatural branches....and that is what it means where it mentions the "commonwealth of Israel", because it includes the nations (who believe). The wall of separation has been torn down....we are all one.

 

[marks]

No, we believing Gentiles have been grafted into the same tree as unnatural branches....and that is what it means where it mentions the "commonwealth of Israel", because it includes the nations (who believe). The wall of separation has been torn down....we are all one.

We are grafted into Abraham, not Israel.

Much love!

 

[marks]

No, we believing Gentiles have been grafted into the same tree as unnatural branches....and that is what it means where it mentions the "commonwealth of Israel", because it includes the nations (who believe). The wall of separation has been torn down....we are all one.

Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
11) Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Some were far (Gentiles), and some were near (Israel). Those far are not made near by becoming part of the commonwealth of Israel, instead it is through Christ.

We are not joined to Israel rather, Gentiles and Israelites in Christ are made a new man. There were two, now there is a new one. Jesus came and preached peace to those near, and those far, that through Him we have access to the Father. Not through the commonwealth of Isreal.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Israel according to the flesh is the physical descendants of Jacob, and the Israel of God is the Christian physical descendants of Jacob.

You're not reading Galatians 6:15-16 in context.

Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

You're making this about physical descendants of Jacob, but Paul made it clear that he wasn't talking about anything physical here at all which is why he said "Neither circumcision (something associated with Jews) nor uncircumcision (something associated with Gentiles) means anything. Why are you trying to make it mean something which directly contradicts what Paul was saying? He said that what matters or counts is "the new creation" which refers to being made a new creation in Christ as both Jew and Gentile believers are. And he said peace and mercy to all who follow this rule who he identified as "the Israel of God". What rule? The one that says circumcision (being a Jew) nor uncircumcision (being a Gentile) means nothing, but what count is being made a new creation in Christ. Those who are made new creations in Christ make up "the Israel of God".

Acts 2:30 KJV
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Romans 1:3 KJV
3) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Romans 9:3-5 KJV
3) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

"after the flesh", "according to flesh", these are Paul's way of speaking of the physical lineage.

Yeah, so? All that means is that Jesus was to be of the line of David.

Romans 9 gives a delineation of who is Israel, the children of Abraham, but not all, only the children of Isaac, but not all, only the children of Jacob, but not all, only those who believe. This is the Spiritual Israel.

National Israel is all of those people since it's made up of both believing and unbelieving Israelites, so can you acknowledge that Paul wrote about two different Israels in Romans 9:6-8 with one being a spiritual Israel made up only of believers?

But, the way you're reasoning this here is not right. When Paul said "but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called" he was talking about the same thing he wrote about here to Jew and Gentile Christians in the churches of Galatia:

Galatians 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Being called in Isaac has to do with being under the new covenant rather than the old covenant and being children of the "Jerusalem which is above" (heavenly Jerusalem - Hebrews 12:22). That applies to both Jew and Gentile believers which is why Paul said "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise". So, in Romans 9:6-8 Paul was included all who are children of promise as being part of the Israel of which not all who are physical descendants of Abraham and Israel are part.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

I put the parts of this passage that refer to spiritual Israel in bold.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
11) Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Some were far (Gentiles), and some were near (Israel). Those far are not made near by becoming part of the commonwealth of Israel, instead it is through Christ.

We are not joined to Israel rather, Gentiles and Israelites in Christ are made a new man. There were two, now there is a new one. Jesus came and preached peace to those near, and those far, that through Him we have access to the Father. Not through the commonwealth of Isreal.

Much love!

That is talking about the spiritual Israel of God there. The blood of Christ did not bring Gentiles near to the nation of Israel, it brought them near to the spiritual Israel of God. Gentiles were formerly aliens from the Israel of God, but now are "no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens" of the spiritual Israel of God with natural Israelite believers.

 

[Lizbeth]

The disciples were mistaken about some things at that time which they later came to understand after receiving the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Jesus told them He would send them the Comforter (Holy Spirit) to teach them after His ascension.


God doesn't have separate plans for the church and for Israel as dispensationalism teaches. That is made clear throughout the New Testament. As Paul said, Gentile believers are fellowheirs with Israelite believers of God's promises (Ephesians 3:1-6).

Yes I agree the disciples did not understand the kingdom of God until later...Jesus' answer kind of covered both bases I believe.

I believe Israel figures into some end time events, but I won't get into that right now. The thing is Israel is God's business, not the church's.....and to be entangled with geo-political Israel and unequally yoked with unbelieving Jews is a snare for believers. Our business is the gospel, not things to do with this world. Share the gospel with the Jews and pray for their well-being etc, but not be "united" with them.

 

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The blood of Christ did not bring Gentiles near to the nation of Israel, it brought them near to the spiritual Israel of God.

Rather,

Ephesians 2:16 KJV
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Christ brought us both to the Father.

Much love!

 

[marks]

but now are "no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens" of the Israel of God with natural Israelite believers.

IF you don't change it, what the Bible actually says is "the household of God".

Ephesians 2:18 KJV
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Access is to the Father.

This passage teaches us that one does not become the other, both become something new. In Christ are neither Greek nor Jew. Not, In Christ all are Jews. Nationality is removed in Christ. That's why Paul used the term, in that ONE place, "the Israel of God", to specify not some conglomerate of Jew and Gentile, but to specify the believing Jews.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rather,

Ephesians 2:16 KJV
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Christ brought us both to the Father.

Much love!

It's not one or the other, it's both. Gentiles were formerly aliens to Israel and now are "no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens". It can't be talking about the nation of Israel because Gentiles were obviously not brought near to the nation of Israel. Gentile believers were brought near to the spiritual Israel of God by the blood of Christ and made fellowcitizens.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

IF you don't change it, what the Bible actually says is "the household of God".

The household of God and the Israel of God are the same thing. You are the one trying to change what Paul said. He said Gentiles were formerly not citizens of Israel but now are fellowcitizens. Fellowcitizens of Israel. It's not hard to figure out which Israel. And we know Paul talked about 2 different Israels in Romans 9:6-8.

Ephesians 2:18 KJV
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Access is to the Father.

This passage teaches us that one does not become the other, both become something new. In Christ are neither Greek nor Jew. Not, In Christ all are Jews. Nationality is removed in Christ.

Earthly nationality is removed in Christ, not spiritual nationality. We are a holy nation. The holy Israel of God.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[Gottservant]

But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

You are right, the Lord establishes truth, before He makes war.

However, you must ask to share in that truth, before you can be made ready for war (whether it is for Armageddon, or another).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are right, the Lord establishes truth, before He makes war.

However, you must ask to share in that truth, before you can be made ready for war (whether it is for Armageddon, or another).

Who are you talking to? Do you know how to quote people on here?

 

[Gottservant]

Who are you talking to? Do you know how to quote people on here?

But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

Sorry, I just got a little lazy and assumed you would understand it was for the OP.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry, I just got a little lazy and assumed you would understand it was for the OP.

There's been a lot of posts made since then so I don't think anyone would assume that.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Copy @Stewardofthemystery

It's the common fallacy of all Amillennialists to believe that being born (gennao) of the Spirit constitutes a "resurrection" of the human spirit of an individual - the spirit "that was dead".​

Yes, it's biblical. It's you who do not really understand the purpose of the first resurrection.

Christ is the first resurrection from the dead because He was the first raised up from the second death, wherein He suffered the wrath of God (the penalty for our sins) for us. It's not talking about mere physical death. Unfortunately, this is the mistake that so many people like you make, even today. They think that Jesus merely went to the cross and suffered a "physical" punishment. Movies like the "Passion" play this up and highlight this as if this is what Christ's horrible suffering was all about. That's utter nonsense! Anyone can go to the cross and suffer and die horribly. And if that was the extent of it, then we are all most foolish to be believers. For countless went there before Him and suffered tremendously physically, just as Christ did. But their suffering paled in comparison, because they merely suffered physically, while Christ suffered the wrath of God for "our sins" placed upon His person.

2nd Corinthians 5:21

• "For he hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Christ became sin for us (ALL Elect mankind), taking our iniquities in His body, and He suffered the horrible penalty of God's wrath (in addition to man's). And by His taking our sins, and paying the wages of those sins, we are left free from those sins. As the scripture above illustrates, we were then made righteous in Him. The bodily suffering at the hands of man was merely an outward "representation" of the true nature of His punishment and wages of death He suffered on our behalf. Remember, the wages of sin is NOT physical death. It's separation from God and eternal life which is SPIRITUAL DEATH!

Isaiah 53:4-5

• "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
• But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

He was stricken, smitten, and afflicted By God, and for our sins. That's the death punishment God suffered, not merely having nails hammered into His hands, but something infinitely more efficacious and glorifying that a mere crucifixion.

Therefore, when we read that Christ was the firstborn from the dead that in all things he might have "preeminence," this is the death and preeminence that is in view. The "First Resurrection" wherein all (including Lazarus) who will become saved, must have part in "His" First Resurrection. Because without that First Resurrection, we will instead have a part in the second death because of sin. Thus we all had to be raised up in Him in order to live and reign with Him. For example, ALL of us (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lazarus, etc.) have been raised up with Him in "that" First Resurrection, so that we will live and reign forever. Raised up unto new life, wherein we will never die.

Ephesians 2:5-6

• "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
• And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

There again is the First Resurrection in Christ. To be quickened together with Christ clearly means to be "made alive together with Christ." So even though the physical death of Lazarus "prefigured" the Resurrection of God's people in Christ, His Spiritual Resurrection had to be in Christ's First Resurrection. So truly, even Lazarus' First Resurrection was the moment He was saved or regenerated from death to Life. That is indeed why, when Martha told Christ Lazarus would be raised at the resurrection at "the last day," Christ responded by correcting her:

John 11:25-26

• "Jesus said unto her, I am the Resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
• And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Christ was saying He was the First Resurrection wherein Lazarus would be raised up at the Last day. He was talking about another death and another life and another resurrection. The dead live because they have part in "The First Resurrection." So that this physical death, nor Lazarus's spiritual death in Adam cannot defeat them.

Acts 26:23

• "That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles."

Thus, this is why Christ is called the First Resurrection from the dead. These Greek words [first rise] very obviously correspond to the very same words [first resurrection] found in Revelation chapter 20. They are the exact same words. Christ is the first resurrection to new life, after being under penalty of death that we deserved, that we might also be raised in newness of life with Him. And just as His death covers the sins of those who went before (Abraham, Jacob, etc) so his Resurrection is the reason that death had no power to hold them. Because He was the first, we live and reign with Him.

Revelation 20:6

• "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Because we have part in the first resurrection (ie. born again), the second death has no power over us.

There is a long list of verses in the New Testament that speak of "resurrection" using one of four Greek words meaning rising again from death. Not one of those verses is talking about the so-called "resurrection from the dead" of the human spirit. Each one of them is talking about the rising again from death of the human body.​

That's false. We will not be resurrected from our fleshly body.

When did the individual's spirit die so that it could rise again from death?​

Seems that you did not read my previous post carefully. Look for it and read again so I am not going to explain again.

 

[Zao is life]

So, God making us alive in Christ is directly related to being saved after previously being dead in sins. It is in this way that we spiritually have part in Christ's bodily resurrection because it spiritually mimics what happened to Him bodily.

What a load of trash. What a load of invented theological rubbish concocted in the minds of men. It's laughable. - and not surprising coming from someone who needs to hold onto a premise which consists of false doctrine in order to hold onto another false doctrine.

Copy @TribulationSigns

Born of the (eternal) Spirit of God, quickened and bodily raised by the same eternal Spirit of God.

1. Born of the (eternal) Spirit of God; and​

2. Bodily quickened (made alive again) through the eternal Spirit of God together with an through (by) the eternal Spirit which quickened Christ - which resulted in Him being raised from the dead bodily; and as a result we will also be

3. bodily raised together with and through (by) Christ's bodily resurrection.

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, even us being dead (the body being dead) in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

The word synegeírō (raised with Christ) is referring to the resurrection of the body, not of the human spirit.

Mankind was created to live on God's created earth, in a created body. We were not created to "go to heaven when we die and live forever in heaven".

Adam's human spirit is not "resurrected from the dead" each time human beings are individually born of the eternal spirit as @TribulationSigns statement implies. If that were the case your own human spirit = Adam's human spirit = my human spirit = we all have the same human spirit = theological trash.

Formed:
"When YHVH God created man, He formed [yatsar] man of the dust of the ground, .."

Breathed (Spirit of God):
".. and breathed (naphach) into his nostrils the breath (nshamah) of life (chay); .. "​

"The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice,
but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes;
so is everyone who is born [γεννάω gennáō] of the Spirit."
-- John 3:8.​

gennáō: to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. [Strongs Greek 01080]

Became (hayah:):
".. and man became [hayah] a living (chay) soul (nephesh)."
-- Genesis 1:27; 2:7.

hayah: to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):--beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use. [Srong's Hebrew 1961]

The created human who was formed from the dust of the earth became a living (chay) soul (nephesh) when the Spirit of God breathed the breath (Spirit of God) of (everlasting) life into him: ​

"That which is born [gennáō] of the flesh is flesh,
and that which is born [gennáō] of the Spirit is spirit."
-- John 3:6. ​

The tree of (everlasting) life (chay) was in the midst of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9), and from it the humans could freely eat (Genesis 2:16-17), until they disobeyed the commandment of God, at which time they were driven out of the garden (Genesis 3:22-24). So they ceased being able to freely eat of the the tree of (everlasting) life (chay) and live forever (Genesis 3:22).​

 

[Zao is life]

Copy @Stewardofthemystery
"RAISED US UP TOGETHER" REFERS TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE MORTAL BODY:

anástasis, égersis; anístēmi; egeírō

A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death.

Without exception, in each and every verse or passage in the New Testament where the above words are used, they are talking about, and referring to, the resurrection of the body (the body that died, which is the seed of the spiritual, but tangible, body that we have the assurance of, will be raised).

The reason why Paul could say that we are seated together with Christ in the heavenly places is because the word synegeírō (raised with Christ) is referring to the resurrection of the body, not of the human spirit.​

That's false. We will not be resurrected from our fleshly body.

You know perfectly well that I never said so. Our tangible physical human body (that is given to corruption/decay) will be raised a tangible spiritual (not-given to corruption/decay) human body through the power of the same (eternal) Spirit of God that raised Christ from the dead bodily.

By making statements claiming or implying that I said things I did not say you are now making it obvious (once again) that you have chosen to hold onto a false doctrine - in this case the false doctrine of a "resurrection from the dead" of "the dead human spirit"

- which is a false doctrine that was concocted in the fleshly minds of men who lack spiritual understanding.

See the post prior to this one. Also stop adding a "spiritual" "resurrection from the dead" to scripture when scripture only talks about the body rising again from the dead wherever and whenever it talks about resurrection from the dead:-

"And this is the will of Him who sent me, that every one who is beholding the Son, and is believing in him, may have life age-during; and I will [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] raise him up in the last day."

The Greek noun used in the New Testament for bodily resurrection from death is o anástasis: THE Resurrection. Without exception, each and every time the word anástasis appears in the New Testament, it's referring to (the) resurrection of the body (which is an integral part of the gospel):-

|| Matthew 22:23, 28 & 30-31; Mark 12:18 & 23; Luke 2:34; Luke 14:14; Luke 20:27, 33, 35-36; John 5:29; John 11:24-25; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:31; Acts 4:2; Acts 4:33; Acts 17:18, 32; Acts 23:6, 8; Acts 24:15, 21; Acts 26:23; Romans 1:4; Romans 6:5; 1 Corinthians 15:12-13, 21, 42; Philippians 3:10; II Timothy 2:18; Hebrews 6:2; Hebrews 11:35; I Peter 1:3; I Peter 3:21; Revelation 20:5-6. ||

The other words associated with The Resurrection (o anástasis) are:-

égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō.

Note: The words are not always used in reference to the resurrection: Sometimes they are used for rising up (as in "get up!"), or being raised up as a leader, or rising from sleep (in a normal sense),

but wherever and whenever they are speaking about rising again from death, they are speaking about the resurrection of the body from the dead":-

|| Matthew 9:25; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 11:5; Matthew 14:2; Matthew 17:9; Matthew 16:21; Matthew 17:23; Matthew 20:19; Matthew 26:32; Matthew 27:52-53 & 63-64; Matthew 28:6-7; Mark 6:14 & 16; Mark 12:26; Mark 14:28; Mark 16:6 & 14; Luke 7:14; Luke 7:22; Luke 8:54; Luke 9:7 & 22; Luke 14:13-14; Luke 20:37; Luke 24:6; Luke 24:34; John 2:19-21; John 5:21; John 5:28-29; John 6:39, 40 & 44; John 11:23-35; John 12:1, 9 & 17; John 21:14; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:24, 31-32; Acts 3:15 & 26; Acts 4:1-2, 10 & 33; Acts 5:30; Acts 10:40; Acts 13:30 & 33-37; Acts 17:18 & 31-32; Acts 23:6-8; Acts 24:15 & 21; Acts 26:8; Romans 1:4; Romans 4:23-25; Romans 6:4-5; Romans 6:9; Romans 7:4; Romans 8:11; Romans 8:34; Romans 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 1 Corinthians 15:4, 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Ephesians 2:5-6; Ephesians 5:14; Philippians 3:10-11; Colossians 2:12-13; Colossians 3:1 (Compare with Romans 6:5); 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16; 2 Timothy 2:8 & 18; Hebrews 6:1-2; Hebrews 11:35; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 Peter 1:21; 1 Peter 3:18 & 21; Revelation 20:5-6. ||

Not one New Testament verse employing any of the above listed words associated with The Resurrection (o anástasis) is not talking about the resurrection of the body. Not one.

John 11:23-25: ἀνίστημι anístēmi, ἀνάστασις anástasis:

“Jesus said to her, Your brother shall anístēmi (rise again). Martha said to Him, I know that he shall anístēmi in the anástasis (The Resurrection) at the last day. Jesus said to her, I am the anástasis (The Resurrection) and the (eternal) Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.”

syneigeiro is referring to our bodily resurrection from the dead with Christ's bodily resurrection from the dead through our being quickened (syzōopoiéō) by the eternal Spirit with Christ's quickening by the same eternal Spirit, which occurs when we are BORN (gennao) of the eternal Spirit of God.

* The human spirit being born of the (eternal) Spirit is not being "raised from a spiritual death".
* You did not die spiritually before you were born spiritually of the eternal Spirit of God.
* Adam's human spirit is not the same human spirit of every individual human being born of the eternal Spirit of God.
* Your spirit is not "Adam's resurrected human spirit" (as your first post to me that I'm responding to most certainly implies).
* We do not all have the same human spirit.
* Wherever and whenever the New Testament talks about resurrection or being raised from death, the verse or passage is talking about the resurrection of the human body. It's never talking about a "resurrection from death of the human spirit". Not even once.

This doctrine of a "resurrection of the human spirit from the dead" that you are expressing is a doctrine concocted in the fleshly minds of men who lack spiritual understanding.

The only reason you used this non-argument in the first place is to falsely assert that the anastasis (the resurrection) being referred to in Revelation 20:5-6 is talking about your false "resurrection from the dead" of the human spirit which you falsely assert occurs at the time it is born of the eternal Spirit of God.

Also see also the post prior to this one.​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What a load of trash.​

LOL. Yep, it's good old rude, obnoxious Fullness of the Gentiles alright. You sure haven't changed.

What a load of invented theological rubbish concocted in the minds of men. It's laughable. - and not surprising coming from someone who needs to hold onto a premise which consists of false doctrine in order to hold onto another false doctrine.​

Blah blah blah. You're all talk and no substance.

Copy @TribulationSigns

Born of the (eternal) Spirit of God, quickened and bodily raised by the same eternal Spirit of God.

1. Born of the (eternal) Spirit of God; and​

2. Bodily quickened (made alive again) through the eternal Spirit of God together with an through (by) the eternal Spirit which quickened Christ - which resulted in Him being raised from the dead bodily; and as a result we will also be

3. bodily raised together with and through (by) Christ's bodily resurrection.

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, even us being dead (the body being dead) in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

The word synegeírō (raised with Christ) is referring to the resurrection of the body, not of the human spirit.​

It's used figuratively there to refer to our status as being spiritually alive in Christ in contrast to being formerly dead in our sins. Your argument here is WEAK! The context of the passage, which you ignore, is related to what he said in parentheses there which is "by grace ye are saved". He's talking about current spiritual salvation there and that is obvious. YOUR interpretation of the passage is utter garbage and needs to be thrown in the dung pile. You have the typical inability that Premils have of differentiating between literal and figurative text.