When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

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Davy

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Jesus Christ made NO SEVEN YEAR COVENANT with the Jews! Those who push that falsehood are telling LIES.

Jesus did NOT place an "abomination of desolation" which is about an IDOL placed inside the Jerusalem temple for false worship! Antiochus IV in 165 B.C. did that serving as a blueprint, because Lord Jesus prophesied about the "abomination of desolation" of Dan.11:31 about 200 years AFTER Antiochus IV had already been dead!

Anyone with common sense can understand this simple matter of Bible prophecy that the AOD is for the very END of this world. Those who fight against that prophecy Jesus gave for the END show they are on man's agenda against Christ!
 

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the wailing wall is part of the old fort. which stood ABOVE the temple. The roman solders had to go down to the temple from this wall to rescue paul when a mob tried to kill Paul.

The actual temple sige is south of that wall. That is where the foundation would be.. they actually have (are) excavating this area. and have found things that could only be part of solomans temple. and the plot David purchased..
The fort was still part of all those buildings within the walls of Jerusalem.
 

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Jesus was "cut off" (crucified) at the very end... of the 69th week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The "one week" of Daniel 9:27 WAS NOT PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY, SHEESH!
Nope, Christ was crucified in the “middle” of the final 7.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Are you talking about Luke 19 or some other chapter?
3 books he said not one stone will be left standing

Did jesus mislead us?

Matthew 24:2
And Jesus said to them, “Do you notsee all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down

Mark 13:2
And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Luke 21:6
“These things which you see—the days will come in which not onestone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down

I am not sure what your talking about in Luke 19
 

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Nope, Christ was crucified in the “middle” of the final 7.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Nope

Because jesus did not commit any abomination which causes desolation. In fact in matt 24. Jesus spoke of it as a future event
 

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Nope

Because jesus did not commit any abomination which causes desolation. In fact in matt 24. Jesus spoke of it as a future event
Jesus announced the coming desolation, Because of all the peoples abominations.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
 

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Jesus was "cut off" (crucified) at the very end... of the 69th week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The "one week" of Daniel 9:27 WAS NOT PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY, SHEESH!
So you believe the modernist dispensational delusion of a decapitated 70th week? :laughing:
 
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Jesus was "cut off" (crucified) at the very end... of the 69th week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The "one week" of Daniel 9:27 WAS NOT PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY, SHEESH!
Daniel declares:
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined...

You say:
Seventy weeks are undetermined because the 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and thus undetermined.

Whom to believe?
1. You
2. Daniel

Need a hint? :laughing:
 

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Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD)spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy.

The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

The words of God confirm this truth.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, seewhat manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes."
Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.
But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questionsare asked of Jesus.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.

Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but whenshall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

This event concerning the destruction of the cityof Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in
Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later.
But when you understand the questions asked of Jesus was in two parts, then hopefully you will see these 2 events are separate from one another and are many, many years apart. Also the time line concerning "when" the AOD was fulfilled has nothing to do with the timeline 70 week prophecy in Daniel.

The end of the 70 week prophecy, and the fulfilling of the AOD prophecy are about 40 years apart from one another.
And it is also very clear in all accounts given in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that Jesus and the apostles were talking about the Temple and surrounding buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes".

There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this AOD prophecy, as it has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d. when the Roman army surrounded, and then destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. Both the words of Jesus and history prove this to be true. With the abomination of desolation events already being fulfilled, we can now focus on the events leading up to Christ's second coming, and on the signs concerning the end of this world.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless
The abominations (plural) mentioned in Daniel 9:27 were fulfilled after Jesus died on the cross and before the destruction of the temple and the city mentioned in Daniel 9:26.

The abomination of desolation (singular) spoken of by Daniel has a biblical type which will be fulfilled in the New Testament Temple - the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4):

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"'Abomination of Desolation' is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made."
(Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia)

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BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL FACTS

Not destroyed:

(i) The abomination of desolation (singular) set up by Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes" in 167 BC in the holy place of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem, is not associated with the destruction of either the city of Jerusalem, or of the temple in it: After he was ousted by the Maccabees, the temple was cleansed, and reconsecrated to God.

This took place around 236 years before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jerusalem temple in 70 A.D.

Destroyed:

(ii) Daniel 9:26-27 prophesied that abominations (plural) were going to be committed that the text associates with the destruction of the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the temple).

If you refuse to be fair to biblical and historical facts by refusing to acknowledging them, then you will wind up misinterpreting scripture (for example, the Olivet Discourse).

The New Testament Temple will not be destroyed by the abomination of desolation - it will be defiled:

"And what agreement does a temple [naós] of God have with idols? For you are the temple [naós] of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." 2 Corinthians 6:16.

"Do you not know that you are a temple [naós] of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple [naós] of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are." -- 1 Corinthians 3:16-17.

"Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For the Day of Christ shall not come unless there first comes the apostasy, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple [naós] of God, setting himself forth, that he is God." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

--- Every day Jesus was teaching in the temple courts,
but at night he went and stayed on the Mount of Olives. --- Luke 21:37

"Now as Jesus was going out of the temple courts and walking away, his disciples came to show him the temple buildings. And he said to them, "Do you see all these things? I tell you the truth, not one stone will be left on another. All will be torn down!" (Matthew 23:37-24:2).

--- Every day Jesus was teaching in the temple courts,
but at night he went and stayed on the Mount of Olives. --- Luke 21:37

Traditionally / historically the belief among many Christian scholars has been that the context of what Jesus said on the Mount of Olives is what Jesus had said about the destruction of the temple while he was still at the temple on the Temple Mount.

YET in the record contained in all three of the synoptic gospels, instead of speaking to them about the temple in Jerusalem again, the first thing Jesus began to speak and warn about after sitting down on the Mount of Olives (and in response to the disciples' question), was:-

(i) Birth-pain signs of the end of the Age; and
(ii) The tribulation and persecution that the living stones of the New Testament Temple would experience; and
(iii) The end of the Age.

If you refuse to acknowledge the above fact about what Jesus spoke about first on the Mount of Olives AND THE FACT that in all three synoptic gospels He never said one word again about the temple in Jerusalem after He sat down on the Mount of Olives (talking about the coming destruction of Jerusalem is not mentioning the temple, not is it talking about the abomination of desolation), then your understanding will remain enslaved to your own eschatology, because you have made yourself totally unable to view anything except your own eschatology - which is false - as biblical.
 
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Yikes! Jesus was crucified in “the middle” of that last week. That “unfulfilled week” doctrine is the false doctrines of carnally minded men.
Agree. It doesn't get much worse than attributing a prophecy about Jesus Christ to some "Antichrist" instead the way he and many others do.
 

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Jesus was "cut off" (crucified) at the very end... of the 69th week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The "one week" of Daniel 9:27 WAS NOT PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY, SHEESH!
What a blatant, outright lie! This is complete foolishness! An absolutely shameful butchering of scripture. It says He would be cut off AFTER the end of the first 69 weeks, not that end of the 69th week. What a blatant lie. A clear case of making scripture say what you want it to say. You are so dishonest that you are even willing to change the definition of the word "after" to make Daniel 9:24-27 fit your false doctrine. What comes AFTER 69? 70. Jesus was cut off during the 70th week. Very simple. But, since you are dishonest, you can't see it.

Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 
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Daniel declares:
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined...

You say:
Seventy weeks are undetermined because the 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and thus undetermined.

Whom to believe?
1. You
2. Daniel

Need a hint? :laughing:
I'll give him a hint. The correct answer is Daniel.

Now, watch, he'll still get it wrong.
 
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Nope, Christ was crucified in the “middle” of the final 7.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Once again, you push the LIES from Christ's enemies, showing how deceived you are. That Daniel 9:27 verse you haven't really understood, because of your deception. That confirming of the covenant is about the "league" of Daniel 11 which the "vile person" makes with the Jews in Jerusalem...

Dan 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up
a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after
the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV


To claim Daniel 9:27 was part of Christ's Ministry is to infer that the above Daniel 11 Scripture is about Jesus! So PER YOUR VIEW, Jesus is a "vile person"???


Jesus MADE NO 7 YEAR COVENANT with anybody! You cannot find that written anywhere in God's Word. So there's the first LIE of those devils you follow. Jesus' offer of The New Covenant was NEVER a short 7 year covenant, not to the Jews, nor to anyone. That Dan.9:27 covenant is about that "league" shown in the Dan.11 Scripture above!

Daniel 9:27 with that "overspreading of abominations" is actually about the desolator coming to Jerusalem to place the IDOL abomination inside a STANDING JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. There's other Bible translations more accurate on that than the one you quoted.

Dan.9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall:
and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

Dan.9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.
And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
NIV

Dan.9:27
The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds,
he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”
NLT

Dan.9:27
And that prince will make a binding treaty with many people for a one-week period of time. In the middle of that one period he will put a stop to all sacrifices and offerings to the Lord. And at the height of his atrocities
he will set up an abominable idol that desecrates the most holy place, until the desolation decreed is finally poured out on the defiler.
The Voice

Dan.9:27
Forsooth one week of years shall confirm the covenant to many men, and the offering and sacrifice shall fail in the midst of the week of years;
and abomination of desolation shall be in the temple, and the desolation shall continue till to the performing and end. (And one week of years shall confirm the covenant to many people, and the offering and the sacrifice shall be stopped in the midst of the week of years; and the abomination that maketh desolation shall be placed in the Temple, and the desolation shall continue until the performing and the end of it.)
Wycliffe Bible


Thus the abomination mentioned in the Daniel 9:27 verse is about the placing of an IDOL abomination INSIDE THE JERUSALEM TEMPLE. So your claim is that... was part of Christ's Ministry???

Nope, that "abomination of desolation", an IDOL ABOMINATION setup in false worship in the temple in Jerusalem, WAS NOT PART OF CHRIST'S MINISTRY! Only a devil would claim Jesus did that during His Ministry!

I mean, didn't you even catch the idea in that Daniel 9:27 verse that an IDOL placed in the temple for false worship is why the Jew's daily sacrifices and oblation will cease, something even Antiochus IV caused in 165 B.C.?

And didn't you know that Lord Jesus' Ministry had ended long before... 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple? Sacrifices by the Jews at the 2nd temple in Jerusalem DID NOT CEASE during the time of Christ's Ministry! That also a 1st grader can understand.

And aren't you aware enough by The Holy Spirit, that since after Antiochus IV had been dead for about 200 years, Jesus quoted the "abomination of desolation" IDOL being in the "holy place" (inside the temple), placing that Daniel 9:27 event into the future at the end of this world?
 

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Jesus announced the coming desolation, Because of all the peoples abominations.
Jesus said, when you see the ABOMINATION (Idol or unclean thing) of DESOLATION (which makes desolate) STANDING in the HOLY PLACE..

1. it is singular
2. It will be seen standing in the holy place. which is the place where the high priest once a year made atonement for sin, It is where the ark of the covenant sat. And it was inside the curtain, where no one was authorized to go.
3. It will be seen by the world (not even possible in Jesus day

So I am not sure where you are getting your information. But I recommend you dig deeper. something is wrong.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
See, here is a big problem, your focusing on the word desolate. The word desolate, apart from the abomination which makes desolate completely changes the meaning

one is an idol, which makes a holy place desolate, and cause sacrifice and burnt offering in that holy place to cease.

the other is anything, land, a building, a house. a country, or even a nation, is left desolate. or destroyed. or in ruins.


If you do not differentiate between the two. You will risk getting it wrong. which in my view, you have done in this topic
 
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Daniel declares:
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined...

You say:
Seventy weeks are undetermined because the 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and thus undetermined.

Whom to believe?
1. You
2. Daniel

Need a hint? :laughing:
I believe daniel

70 weeks are determined FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR CITY.

Jesus said right at the end of the 69th week. the truth would be hidden from Daniels people and his holy city would be destroyed. Which actually Daniel also said
 

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Jesus said, when you see the ABOMINATION (Idol or unclean thing) of DESOLATION (which makes desolate) STANDING in the HOLY PLACE..

1. it is singular
2. It will be seen standing in the holy place. which is the place where the high priest once a year made atonement for sin, It is where the ark of the covenant sat. And it was inside the curtain, where no one was authorized to go.
3. It will be seen by the world (not even possible in Jesus day

So I am not sure where you are getting your information. But I recommend you dig deeper. something is wrong.


See, here is a big problem, your focusing on the word desolate. The word desolate, apart from the abomination which makes desolate completely changes the meaning

one is an idol, which makes a holy place desolate, and cause sacrifice and burnt offering in that holy place to cease.

the other is anything, land, a building, a house. a country, or even a nation, is left desolate. or destroyed. or in ruins.


If you do not differentiate between the two. You will risk getting it wrong. which in my view, you have done in this topic
There was a singular event that “set up” or “fulfilled” the Destruction of the Temple in 70 ad as Titus and the Roman army also entered into the inner chamber and carried away the instruments contained in the inner chamber.

But what brought on the desolation and destruction of the Temple was all the abominations of the children of Israel.

Jeremiah 7:30
For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
 

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There was a singular event that “set up” or “fulfilled” the Destruction of the Temple in 70 ad as Titus and the Roman army also entered into the inner chamber and carried away the instruments contained in the inner chamber.
1. This is NOT an abomination of desolation
2. No one could visibly see this happen
3. In Luke 21, Jesus said, when you see the armies surround Jerusalem( the sign) IT's Desolation is near..so Run!
4. In Matt 24. Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation, standing in the Holy Place (the sign) Run

these are two different events. happening in two different time periods.
But what brought on the desolation and destruction of the Temple was all the abominations of the children of Israel.

Jeremiah 7:30
For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
This has no bearing on what the abomination of desolation is
 
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