OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Christian Soldier]

he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Again, why does the True Gospel focus on the Body, Death and Blood of the Lord?

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Can we agree that His death and resurrection are equally important. I don't think it's fair to place all the focus on His death, because His death would be worthless without His resurrection.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Wonderful!

How was the power of sin and death removed in Jesus?

Sin and death never had any power in Jesus, so it doesn't make sense to ask how something that never existed in Him was removed.
The only reason He had to suffer such a painful death, was to satisfy Gods justice. Every single sin ever committed must be paid for, either by the sinner or Jesus for His people. No sin will ever go unpunished, God can't claim to be a righteous judge if He doesn't punish sin.

Christ didn't suffer and die, for any sin He committed or unbelievers committed. It was for the elect of God only.

 

[face2face]

Sin and death never had any power in Jesus, so it doesn't make sense to ask how something that never existed in Him was removed.

So no victory then?

The only reason He had to suffer such a painful death, was to satisfy Gods justice. Every single sin ever committed must be paid for, either by the sinner or Jesus for His people. No sin will ever go unpunished, God can't claim to be a righteous judge if He doesn't punish sin.

Christ didn't suffer and die, for any sin He committed or unbelievers committed. It was for the elect of God only.

How are your sins represted "in" his body?

He himself (Jesus) bore your sins "in" his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24

I've shown you but I'm thinking another false gospel is getting in the way.

How did Jesus show you the red text in his life and death?

F2F

 

[face2face]

@mailmandan

I'd like to move our discussion away from OSAS for a moment and ask you a question.

When you read Genesis 2:4-25 do you see a life under probation? I use the word probation to mean subjection of an individual to a period of testing and trial to ascertain obedience and faithfilness.

He failed "the testing of his faith" by sin after which followed consequences.

Part of that testing period resulted in "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" Gen 3:22

Can a person be exalted to glory without having their faith and belief tested?

So, two questions once again

When you read Genesis 2:4-25 do you see a life under probation?
Can a person be exalted to glory without having their faith and belief tested?

I think the answer to both of these questions will reveal a certain truth about your understanding of Who God is and How he Fathers His Children. It will also provide insight into your integrity and honesty concerning the text.

Lets see....F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

What is the context...this is teaching you how to read the Word more carefully.

For the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins. Heb 10:4.

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me. 10:6 “Whole burnt offerings and sin-offerings you took no delight in. 10:7 “Then I said, ‘Here I am: I have come—it is written of me in the scroll of the book—to do your will, O God.’ ” 10:8 When he says above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sin-offerings you did not desire nor did you take delight in them”
Heb 10:5–8.

So the Lords body and blood can take away the sins of the World and was an acceptable offering to the Father.

So you have been shown

1. The dominion of death and its condemnation was in Christ (Romans 6:9; Romans 8:1-3)
2. You have seen that through his death, that dominion and condemnation has now been removed
3 The Body of Christ was a suitable sacrifice for sin (Psalm 40:5 “ears you have dug out for me.”) Speaking to his obedience to God's Word
4. God did something in Christ death which broke the law of sin and death

“Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
1 Co 15:54–57.

What is the sting of death?
How was the power of sin working in Christ and how did God remove it?

How did God remove sins power through the death and body of the Lord Jesus Christ?

He himself (Jesus) bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24

How are your sins represented in the body of Jesus?

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The forgiveness and remission of sin for the old testament believers, was a temporary. It had to be repeated everyday, because man sins everyday so those sacrifices and offering could never take sin away permanently.

God didn't desire burnt offerings etc.., because they were never a solution to the problem of sin. Jesus states "here I am, I've come to do the will of God and that will was to redeem His elect. The body which the Father prepared for Christ, are those whom He chose for salvation before He created the world. He wrote every single elect persons name in His book.

The body of Christ are His Church, not a brick building as some think. The Church consists of all the elect, since the fall of man, up to the present and all those who are yet to be born. They all currently exist in Christ, we can see them but He can.

So the Lords flesh and blood can't take away anyone's sin, He never recommended cannibalism as a way to save ones self. His flesh and blood are symbolic of the atonement He purchased by His broken body and blood. Saved people claim the free get out of hell ticket, which Christ promised them. That's what it means to believe in Him, it's not asking if you believe in His existence, it's asking do you believe that He purchased salvation for you.

The dominion of death and condemnation were never in Christ. Those things became ours when Adam sinned, we inherited death and condemnation. We were all born into death, Christ defeated these things on behalf of those the Father gave Him to redeem. It wasn't an offer to every person, it was specifically to those God chose before He created the world.
I know most "Christians" reject this doctrine, but it's clearly shown throughout the bible.

 

[Christian Soldier]

So no victory then?

How are your sins represted "in" his body?

He himself (Jesus) bore your sins "in" his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24

I've shown you but I'm thinking another false gospel is getting in the way.

How did Jesus show you the red text in his life and death?

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That's right, there's no victory for the unbelievers.

My sins are no longer represented in His body, He paid for them fully 2000 years ago.

Exactly, He bore the sins of the elect and fully paid for them. So Gods people die to themselves and are born again into the Body of Christ. We become new creatures, old thing have passed away and ALL things are made new. That means sin and death have no dominion over born again Christians.

The life and death of Jesus remain just as mysterious today as they were 2000 years ago. Nobody has been able to get their head around what He did or how He did it and where He was for three days after He was crucified. You can read the gospel till you turn blue in the face and you still won't get it.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Speak for yourself... God made me a new creature IN Christ, translating me from darkness into His Kingdom.

Hang in their bud, maybe you'll "get it" someday




So you think 1 John 1:9 is a lie???

You should actually believe God's Word and quit rejecting it.

"...purify us from all unrighteousness."

Again and again,and again.
Doesn't make sense does it?

3 Ways Christians Are Sanctified

There are three primary agents in the character formation or sanctification of a Christian—ways that God uses to change us.

www.crossway.org

John 15
Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.

 

[face2face]

The forgiveness and remission of sin for the old testament believers, was a temporary.

True

It had to be repeated everyday, because man sins everyday so those sacrifices and offering could never take sin away permanently.

True

God didn't desire burnt offerings etc.., because they were never a solution to the problem of sin. Jesus states "here I am, I've come to do the will of God and that will was to redeem His elect. The body which the Father prepared for Christ, are those whom He chose for salvation before He created the world. He wrote every single elect persons name in His book.

The body of Christ are His Church, not a brick building as some think. The Church consists of all the elect, since the fall of man, up to the present and all those who are yet to be born. They all currently exist in Christ, we can see them but He can.

I see where you are going astray.

The body in is talking to the literal body of the Lord which God prepared. You are right the body of the church with Christ as its head is correct however the context of Hebrews 10 is the body God prepared as a sacrifice for sin...that body alone is Christ.

So the Lords flesh and blood can't take away anyone's sin, He never recommended cannibalism as a way to save ones self. His flesh and blood are symbolic of the atonement He purchased by His broken body and blood. Saved people claim the free get out of hell ticket, which Christ promised them. That's what it means to believe in Him, it's not asking if you believe in His existence, it's asking do you believe that He purchased salvation for you.

You are still yet to grasp the body of Jesus and why it was needing to be put to death.

Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he (Jesus) likewise shared in their humanity (Second Adam!), so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), 2:15 and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death.

Heb 2:14–15.

I've already shown you many times now so you should be able to identify what the false accuser (devil) in this verse.

What holds the power of death? (clue Romans 6:23)

I am trying to hit this on so many angels but you are yet to communiate to me in Gospel language.

The dominion of death and condemnation were never in Christ.

We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. Romans 6:9

I'm not sure why you are not catching on? We have already proved death had dominion over Christ while he lived!

Those things became ours when Adam sinned, we inherited death and condemnation.

At last, I was waiting for this to come

Romans 1 starts with defining the true Gospel with a captial G!

1:3 concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with reference to the flesh, Rom 1:3.

I've never had a Christian in this forum get as far as you have, never!

Why was it important Christ be born of a woman; So of Adam, son of Abraham, son of David after the flesh? Think dear Watson ;)

We were all born into death,

True!

Read Romans 8:1-3; Hebrews 2:14-17; Romans 6:9; 1 Peter 2:24; And the Victory God achieved in 1 Corinthian 15!!!

Christ defeated these things on behalf of those the Father gave Him to redeem.

No, this is not the Gospel Christian - the Victory was God's 2 Corith 5:19

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[face2face]

You remind me of a childish troll who loves to hurl insults and stir up contention and also who must have the last word in any argument.

Nothing in that post was deemed an insult! At the core of your belief you don't believe God will follow through with His warnings.

Be honest!

F2F

 

[mailmandan]

@mailmandan

I'd like to move our discussion away from OSAS for a moment and ask you a question.

When you read Genesis 2:4-25 do you see a life under probation? I use the word probation to mean subjection of an individual to a period of testing and trial to ascertain obedience and faithfilness.

He failed "the testing of his faith" by sin after which followed consequences.

Part of that testing period resulted in "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" Gen 3:22

Can a person be exalted to glory without having their faith and belief tested?

So, two questions once again

When you read Genesis 2:4-25 do you see a life under probation?
Can a person be exalted to glory without having their faith and belief tested?

I think the answer to both of these questions will reveal a certain truth about your understanding of Who God is and How he Fathers His Children. It will also provide insight into your integrity and honesty concerning the text.

Lets see....F2F

I don't consider the testing of one's faith being equivalent to probation, like a criminal is on probation, and I don't need your approval in regard to integrity and honesty. You are not my judge. For those who are in the faith it's not uncommon to have their faith tested.

James 1:2 - My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect (or mature) and complete, lacking nothing.

1 Peter 1:7 - that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

 

[mailmandan]

Nothing in that post was deemed an insult! At the core of your belief you don't believe God will follow through with His warnings.

Be honest!

F2F

You don't consider slander an insult? Really? You are not being honest. I believe God will follow through with His warnings. I just don't believe His warnings include a loss of salvation for genuine Christians/children of God. (Psalm 37:28; John 6:37-40; 10:27-29; Romans 8:28-30; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14; Ephesians 4:30; Philippians 1:6; Jude 1:1, 24 etc..).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm sure that I'm not the only OSAS believer on this board who is rolling their eyes at your posts.

I do not even respond to his posts anymore.. I am begining to think he feeds off of it. So I refuse to feed it anymore.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don't consider slander an insult? Really?

Remember, when we sin we are damned, when they sin, it’s not really a sin. They can do no wrong.

 

[BlessedPeace]

God absolutely had to punish His Son in the most painful way, to pay for the sins of His elect. There was no other way, to save the elect.
We should consider the fact that God is completely separate to His creation, He is nothing like man. He is a mystery, we know very little about why He does what He does, all we know is what He revealed to us. If something about God doesn't sound right or fair, we can rest assured that the fault lies in our understanding of Him.

God is not fair, because He saved some according to His sovereign purpose, if God was fair, He would cast everyone into hell because that's what we all deserve. But the fact tat He chose to save some and pay the ultimate price to do so, shows that He's not like man at all. His was are past finding out and His wisdom is infinitely higher than ours.

God is not separate to His creation.

That separation idea actually is a Gnostic teaching.

All things are created of God and from God.
John 1, Colossians 1.

 

[BlessedPeace]

I'm sure that I'm not the only OSAS believer on this board who is rolling their eyes at your posts.

I don't think they're very experienced at Poe Trolling.

Poe's law - Wikipedia

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[RedFan]

Good question!

this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. Acts 2:23

Both the brutality and the manner of his death was part of God's plan and foreknowledge, yes.

There was no way of saving carnal nature - it had to be put to death!

We must be Galatians 5:24!

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Oh, I'm not questioning that Calvary was foreknown and planned. I have no doubt of it. That's not my question. WHY WAS IT NECESSARY? Why was Almighty God (who can do anything) unable to forgive mankind's sins in any other way? And if He WAS able, but chose not to, it's time to talk about why that doesn't make Him a bloodthirsty Monster.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

According to this documentary, OSAS originated with the Gnostics, was constantly being refuted by the early church, and was unknown in the Church until the 5th century when Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, a former Gnostic, brought it into the church.

OSAS had its beginning in the Garden of Eden...
God: in the day ye eat of ye SHALL surely die
Satan: ye SHALL NOT surely die

Augustine is also credited with the false teaching of original sin which he derived from the Gnostics. The Gnostics believed all flesh was inherently evil, therefore they did not believe God came in the flesh as Jesus, else He would have been born with this evil flesh Himself. Hence John would tell them "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: .."

Augustine derived the idea of OS from the Gnostic's idea all flesh is born inherently evil. Agustine claimed all men are born with Adam's sin, born with a sinful nature. The difference is that the Gnostics did not make exceptions that even Christ would have been born with evil flesh where Augustine made an exception for Christ. Yet if Christ was born as man, He then he would have been born with OS. Note that would be a major theological problem, a problem the BIble does not give a solution to. Hence Catholics developed the non-Biblical idea of immaculate conception to get around this man-made problem. The Gnostics just denied God came in the flesh to get around their man made problem.


But neither idea has any bases in the BIble.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Oh, I'm not questioning that Calvary was foreknown and planned. I have no doubt of it. That's not my question. WHY WAS IT NECESSARY? Why was Almighty God (who can do anything) unable to forgive mankind's sins in any other way? And if He WAS able, but chose not to, it's time to talk about why that doesn't make Him a bloodthirsty Monster.

In brief,one answer relates to what I and others have noticed about the OT.

Before there were Jews those now called such were captives in Babylon. And Polytheists.

In an effort to erase that history after they were set free they became Monotheist. However, a lot of their source text weren't fully transferred to one idea of God.

So,in brief again, the overlapping idea is a God in the polytheist creation myth, the Enuma Elish, created the world and made humans to be slaves of God.

While later a different God, Yeshua/Yahweh, set them free.

This is why Yeshua (Jesus) who is God,the God of all,while the aforementioned god of the polytheists was a lesser god, often says, I know you have been told...but I tell you.....

When we believe God does not change, as we are told in that OT of the Jews, the liberated former captives of Babylon, it seems conflicting Jesus,who is God,would change what He supposedly said in the OT.

Some think He said this because He was here to set us free from that former god.

Consider in the OT we read God
finds the scent of roasting blood and flesh of sacrifices pleasing to his senses. And,there are both animal and human sacrifices in the OT.

I find the idea of the polytheistic angle in the OT fascinating.

Of course that isn't to say Fundamentalist Christians heads didn't just explode in reading me.

 

[Phoneman777]

Why would I do such a foolish thing as to sweat blood, when Jesus already did that on my behalf. I'm not a sucker for punishment, as you Arminian works based gospel believers are. You think your self mutilation will somehow save you, well God refutes that false doctrine.

Your degree of OSAS spiritual immaturity demands I repost but with such detail a child won't miss it:

1. Paul recites the "Honor Roll of the Saints" (Hebrews 11 KJV)
2. Paul then says their victorious example is proof we can overcome sin also (Hebrews 12:1 KJV)
3. Paul then points to the only way any of us will ever obtain such victory: faith in Jesus (Hebrews 12:2 KJV)
4. Paul then says consider all He endured before any of us say "we can't stop sinning" (Hebrews 12:3 KJV)
5. He finally says if you give up the fight against temptation before you suffer hematohidrosis, don't bother him with your "we can't stop siinning" bulldookey.

The greatest men of God in all of human history were never able to resist the temptation to sin, as you falsely claim to do. David was an adulterer and murderer, but God said he was a man after Gods own heart. So go back to the drawing board and scrap that false Arminian theology and repent of it, and start from scratch. I can give you countless examples to prove my point if you need them.

You falsely claim we can't overcome sin because you refuse to acknowledge the Biblical distinction between the Just Man and the Presumptuous Man - a Just Man falls down into the pit of sin and cries for deliverance but the Presumptuous OSAS License to Sin crowd deliberately climbs down in it, sits down comfortably among the filth, sways away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and shoves their OSAS License to Sin in His face.

I know you're offended by those of us who believe in Gods sovereignty, in election and predestination where He chose His elect before He created the world. You reject Gods Word at your own peril and make Him a liar.

No, I'm offended by the whining, sniveling, hypocritical cowardice of the OSAS crowd which claims to be "more than conquerors" while at the same time getting their butts handed to them whenever a battle with Satan's temptations erupts.

You reject Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

You reject the entire first four verses of Hebrews 12 which tell us:
1. we can overcome just as the cloud of witnesses overcame
2. we can do it by laying aside weights and sins
3. we can lay these aside by looking in faith to Jesus
4. before we whine to Paul "we can't stop sinning" we need to first have painted the ground red with sweat.

You reject Jesus and make yourself the author and finisher of your faith, at your own peril. What does author mean to you and what does finisher mean to you????......

Unlike the OSAS crowd which chooses willful ignorance, I acknowledge that we can't overcome sin unless we first "look unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith" and "work out our own salvation with fear in trembling for it is God that worketh in you" to both give us the desire to lay aside the weights and sins, but also to give us the power to do it, as well.

God doesn't knock on the door and leave it up to you to let Him in. He's not like some pitiful door to door salesman knocking on doors and being rejected 99% of the time. I reject that Arminian doctrine in the strongest terms as it brings shame upon the name of God. It makes Him a loser, and I rebuke everyone who accuses the God of the bible as being a loser.

The Bible says God is a Gentleman Who never forces - He knocks on the heart and asks to enter and dwell.

The OSAS crowd prefers Jesus barge in, cuff a hand, drag em off while they cling to sin with the other hand.

The true God of the Bible saved His elect before He created the world, H won't lose a single one of His children as you falsely claim He will. See God is against everything you believe.

Then what's the point of all those warnings about "repent" and "if you hear His voice, harden not your heart" and "if ye be willing and obedent/if ye refuse and rebel" and "servants you are to whom you obey, whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness", etc?

I'm being transformed by Gods grace, as we speak, but thanks for your concern I'm familiar with the book of Acts. The book never claims that anyone attains sinless perfection in this life, so you need to go back to you Shepherd, Teacher, Minister or Pastor and ask them why they taught you a false gospel, which can't save anyone.

Such arrogance. You willfully sin after receiving knowledge of the truth, yet you think the Sacrifice remains? I suggest you memorize Hebrews 10:26 KJV.

We CAN be "perfect" as Job was "perfect" and as your Father in heaven is "perfect" - which means "perfect in our sphere as He is perfect in His sphere".

The kindergartener and the PhD can both obtain "perfect" scores on the test, while both spheres of educational ability are as far as the one can be from the other - RIGHT OR WRONG?

You don't even know about the various contexts of the word "death" are in the bible. You falsely apply it to mean "annihilation", but the truth is there's no such thing in the Bible. Death is never ever ever, ceasing to exist in the Bible, I would be very angry with your Shepherd for teaching you lies.

Those who sound like the devil are of their father the devil - those who sound like God are of the Father, too:
"Thou shalt not surely die".

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die"

Which are you?

God told Adam that He would die on the day that he ate of the tree, according to you he ceased to exist and didn't go onto live well over 900 years. Mankind died on that day, and those who suffer the second death will never get the chance to repent or be saved. The second death is a permanent state of separation from Gods grace.

Wrong. The Second Death is just like the First Death where the Breath returns to God, the Body to the dust, and the Soul ceases to exist until the one or the other of the two resurrections...but with one exception:

The Second Death is permanent death, eternal death, everlasting death...a death from which there will be no resurrection.

Those who are cast into hell are tormented in hell fire for all eternity, there is no annihilation, or ceasing to exist or escape. You need to start believing what God said and maybe find a faithful Shepherd to teach you, to lead you and watch over you.

There isn't a single verse in Scripture that says so.

The only "proof" texts you guys have are uninterpreted parables of the Rich Man/Lazarus or misinterpreted passages like "absent from body/present with Lord".

I've got TONS of verses that show the dead know nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, feel nothing, praise nothing, return to nothing, devise nothing, remember nothing, see nothing, etc., but you guys prefer a tiny handful of wrongly derived lies instead of a truckload of truth.

John 15:16
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
So much for your free choice heresy.

See, that's why you Calvinists are in for a huge surprise on Judgment Day - you read one verse which says "did not choose Me" and ignore all the other verses that say...

"choose ye this day whom ye will serve"
"therefore, choose life"
"seek the Lord while He may be found"
"to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory, honor, and immortality".

If God didn't first choose to get our attention so that we'd look upon Him and see our lost condition, we'd never desire to choose Jesus for deliverance from it.

I suppose there's no point in citing verses of scripture if you don't believe what they are saying. What I see in your theology reminds me of the bible verse;

Proverbs 14"12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

Those verses actually prove Conditional Salvation - any supposed ideas that they confirm Calvinism result only from misapplying or misinterpreting them.

 

[face2face]

I don't consider the testing of one's faith being equivalent to probation, like a criminal is on probation, and I don't need your approval in regard to integrity and honesty. You are not my judge. For those who are in the faith it's not uncommon to have their faith tested.

James 1:2 - My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect (or mature) and complete, lacking nothing.

1 Peter 1:7 - that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

You don't need a Judge mailman, you are already saved!

Nothing on Genesis 3 and the first pairs probation (no comment?)
You provide James 1:2 & 1 Peter 1:7 both of which show you how a person is "being" saved, a process which also speaks to that great verse in Acts 14:22 strengthening the lives of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

If you found OSAS was false doctrine, would this change your walk in Christ? Would you be more disciplined in these things of God? Would you feel a greater weight of responsibility to your make your calling and election sure?

Would you want to see the result of your faith as though listed in Hebrews 11 These all died in faith—having obtained good report through faith.

What is the good report? Is this not the outcome of a successful probation in life?

I get why you can't speak to the theme of probation as you have been hurt by a cruel system and the remnants of that hurt remain. I notice how often you mentioned RCC in your posts and I understand why the teaching of OSAS is highly valued by you.

What we have discovered in this long drawn-out discussion is faith, is an act of our will. At every turn in this discussion the reality of this fact is written in very verse quoted. In every line God has established it so because of the fundamental truth is it's impossible to please our Father without this act. Regardless the suffering or trail its an act of our will to endure, persist in the hope of Victories which give Him the Glory and Honour.

Only then will we see the salvation of our lives.

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