OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Eternally Grateful]

OSAS people must reject portions of scripture to hold their false beliefs so they can enjoy living in sin

No, we do not reject them, we just interpret them correctly.

Heresy ends badly so you might want to REPENT and believe the whole counsel of God

Your right, it will. So I pray you repent to God that you do not trust and are not confident that he who began a good work in you WILL COMPLETE IT. and confess to him in question or whatever it takes that he will reveal to you why you do not trust God to complete the work in you he started.

 

[JLB]

The Lord is asking us to "Abide In him”, means “to stay”.

Yes sir.

Abide = Remain

Like a branch must remain in the vine from which it draws it's life from in order to remain alive; in order to flourish and produce the intended fruit it was designed to produce.



JLB

 

[mailmandan]

This is true, as the enemy has developed an intricate stronghold (mindset) that resists (exalts itself against) the scriptures and therefore undermines the person to a state of inactivity or passivity even to the point of no longer confessing their sins in which the light in them becomes darkness.

But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matthew 6:23

OSAS is one of the end time doctrines of demons that causes people to depart from the faith.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons 1 Timothy 4:1

JLB

Yet ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS. Hmm..

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. Sounds like Roman Catholicism.

Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the faith, the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines, nevertheless, will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. That does not prove that these "nominal" Christians had saving faith in Christ and were previously born again.

In 1 John 2:19, we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

I believe the beginning of such a major departing from the apostolic faith was evidenced by the Roman Catholic church in the early 4th century. The Roman Catholic church forbids its clergy to marry. This same church has other doctrines of demons such as transubstantiation, purgatory, indulgences, papal infallibility, Mary's perpetual virginity etc..

 

[JLB]

And you are eternally,no expiration no conditions, SAVED!

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


So you are saying Christians, (those in Him) who walk according to the flesh are eternally saved?

 

[mailmandan]

The doctrine of demons, that which is averse to the Eternal Life Good News of God's Irrevocable Saving grace are worshipping self.

Such folks are all about SELF. 1. SELF promotion. 2. SELF preservation. 3. SELF righteousness.

 

[JLB]

I have only refuted your eisegesis and I have not denied the truth.

You have refuted nothing. There is no eisegesis in my post, only scripture.


Maybe you believe the Apostle John is lying in what he wrote?


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Please give us your "exegesis" of this verse.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes sir.

Abide = Remain

Like a branch must remain in the vine from which it draws it's life from in order to remain alive; in order to flourish and produce the intended fruit it was designed to produce.



JLB

No

You abide to produce fruit.

Thats what the passage is about. producing fruit. Not getting to heaven, that was solved back in John 3, 4,5 and 6

 

[JLB]

Yet ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS. Hmm..

Is John promoting a false religion?


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

 

[mailmandan]

I cannot say the same. I'll hand it to you, you took over were Eternally couldn't persist and I thought you would provide insights into John 8 or John 15 or the Gospel records but each time you overlooked the conditional warnings as though they didn’t apply to you, or your OSAS buddies.

I was looking forward to you dealing with the weightier aspects of the Gospel but instead, all I received was this “quick fix” gospel with a small "g"!

Find the balance mailman and in doing so you will find the Goodness & Severity of God "Note then the goodness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off." Romans 11:22

Israel full well knows the Severity of God, but maybe you are not so familiar with their history.

F2F

I have already covered John 15 in posts #297, #300 and also along with John 8 in post #374.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Your gospel is deceiving and is not good news even if you slap a capitol G on it.

In regard to Romans 11:22 (BTW: Roman Catholics are also very fond of using this verse as an alleged proof text for losing salvation).
The Israelites (Jews) were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored - Romans 11:24-26). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not become arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Jews lost the goodness and blessings of God.

Professing Christians, who are Gentiles, are corporately in outward covenant with Christ so, it would appear that Romans 11 is speaking about the question of collective ecclesiology and not individual soteriology. I see the warning to this collective body, which is corporately joined to Christ and is in a covenant relationship, but how could this mean that every individual in it is in saving union with Christ? Hence the "cut off." Union with Christ applies to the elect, and only for the elect are, "the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable." (verse 29) But since non-elect covenant members are mixed in, Christ clearly appears to have non-elect branches, like Judas Iscariot (John 15:1-8) and while they may be joined outwardly in covenant with Christ, since they have professed faith in Jesus, the faith of some of them is spurious because they were never truly saved to begin with, even though they were among genuine believers. (1 John 2:19)

 

[JLB]

No

You abide to produce fruit.

Thats what the passage is about. producing fruit. Not getting to heaven, that was solved back in John 3, 4,5 and 6

Only those who remain in Christ produce fruit.


Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ -

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

 

[BlessedPeace]

Such folks are all about SELF. 1. SELF promotion. 2. SELF preservation. 3. SELF righteousness.

That's Satanism.

 

[mailmandan]

You have refuted nothing. There is no eisegesis in my post, only scripture.


Maybe you believe the Apostle John is lying in what he wrote?


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Please give us your "exegesis" of this verse.

I believe John. I just don't believe your eisegesis. 1 John 2:4 is 'descriptive' of pseudo-Christians/make believers.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is John promoting a false religion?


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

This is true, WHoever seens has NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN GOD.

they were never saved,

I true believer obeys (although not perfectly)

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

Are you sinless? if not. I guess your not abiding in Christ (smh)

 

[mailmandan]

Is John promoting a false religion?

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

John is not promoting a false religion, but you are. Again, 1 John 2:4 is 'descriptive' of pseudo-Christians/make believers and NOT genuine believers. 2 John 1:9 - Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ (descriptive of pseudo-Christians/make believers) does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. (descriptive of genuine Christians/genuine believers). You fail to see the contrast between make believers and genuine believers in scripture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


So you are saying Christians, (those in Him) who walk according to the flesh are eternally saved?

That verse is missing from most manuscripts. You better use another version.

as far as what it says, it says whose who are in christ do not habitually walk after the flesh..but according to the spirit

I agree, That is what they do.

A person who is not saved, who is not in christ. does not do this,, they may act like a believer for a time, but their true nature will be exposed.

 

[mailmandan]

You'll never convince me to believe that Jesus was a sinner, who needed to be saved. You obviously don't believe that Jesus is God, so we have radically different views about who God is.

Is that true?

 

[BlessedPeace]

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

That reiterates irrevocable eternal Salvation. Thanks.

So you are saying Christians, (those in Him) who walk according to the flesh are eternally saved?

Thank you for asking that right after posting the very clear and concise Romans 8 verse.

For some time now I and others have pointed out the truth of the 1 Corinthians 2:14 verse.

And you,after posting the very clear language of Romans 8, just proved 1 Corinthians 2:14.

14. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Only those who remain in Christ produce fruit.

Yep

But salvation is not about who produced fruit, if your not saved you can;t produce fruit, if you are saved, You will..

Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ -

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

Yes, I know I am saved because I obey him (not perfectly)

But I know even more better I am saved because obeyed the gospel. and have been given the spirit as a guarantee. I am confident of this one thang, That he who began a good work in me (GOD) will complete it until the day of christ.

Its sad you do not have that assurance.. But I can not give you that assurance, Only God can,, But you must firs repent

 

[BlessedPeace]

I see it differently

vs 8 is to believers who claim they are now without sin, John is telling them they are decieved.

Vs 9 is to these same believers to show. not onlyu will we sin, but when we do, we shoudl confess those sins

Vs 10 is to the world. not sinner who denies he has any sin, Much like the jews, who thought they obeyed the law since birth. or the pharisees, who thought they did not need saved. They claimed they had no sin,, so their is no truth in them..

I disagree. We are told those in Christ do not wilfully Sin. If they do they are not in Christ and He never knew them.

It is wholly contrary to the truth of Salvation from Sin for a Christian to insist they are still in Sin. Impossible.
Because that means they are their former self. And not reborn anew.

That verse is speaking in relational terms using,we.

Speaking to Jews or Gentiles who have never heard of their dead in Son condition, those people could rebel and say they are not Sinners.

The sermon preaches to their fallen condition and then presupposes their question regarding being Sinners.

 

[mailmandan]

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


So you are saying Christians, (those in Him) who walk according to the flesh are eternally saved?

Walking according to the flesh is 'descriptive' of non-Christians and walking according to the Spirit is 'descriptive' of children of God. Only genuine believers sow to the Spirit and from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now IF anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And IF Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

There is that IF confirmation. How do you keep missing the contrast between make believers and genuine believers in scripture?